Barack Obama: 'I go shooting all the time'


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dullone
January 28, 2013, 10:13 AM
Do you buy this? :scrutiny:

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/barackobama/9830016/Barack-Obama-I-go-shooting-all-the-time.html

Who knew he was one of us????? I wonder what he shoots, .410 or airsoft?
Do you supose the ammo shortage has impacted his shooting activities.

I wouldn't be surprised to soon see a photo shopped picture of him holding a shotgun where a golf club formerly was?

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tyeo098
January 28, 2013, 10:18 AM
Something like this? With O-beezy of course.

http://spoon.laxallstars.com/wp-content/blogs.dir/5/files/2010/12/Shotgun-Golf-31535.jpg

pat701
January 28, 2013, 10:21 AM
Sure he does!!!!!!!!:barf:

radiotom
January 28, 2013, 10:21 AM
It's getting easier and easier for him to lie...:mad:

NeuseRvrRat
January 28, 2013, 10:23 AM
2A isn't about hunting or skeet shooting or any other "sporting purpose".

LNK
January 28, 2013, 10:24 AM
Do you buy this? :scrutiny:

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/barackobama/9830016/Barack-Obama-I-go-shooting-all-the-time.html

Who knew he was one of us????? I wonder what he shoots, .410 or airsoft?
Do you supose the ammo shortage has impacted his shooting activities.

I wouldn't be surprised to soon see a photo shopped picture of him holding a shotgun where a golf club formerly was?

Here is what he shoots at......

http://d1jqecz1iy566e.cloudfront.net/large/ch022.jpg

LNK

jerkface11
January 28, 2013, 10:25 AM
A few questions for the president.

1. What shotgun do you use?
2. What choke does it have?
3. What is your preferred brand of shells?
4. What is your average score?

JFrame
January 28, 2013, 10:28 AM
So his line of reasoning is that because someone goes skeet shooting, there is no reason for private citizens to fear the loss of gun ownership by his dictates? http://www.kolobok.us/smiles/artists/just_cuz/JC_thinking.gif

Back in Merrie Olde England, the king used to go hunting all the time. That activity was heavily proscribed for the commoner, as well as the possession of arms for self-defense.

I wish the leftists would stop making these silly arguments.


.

Walkalong
January 28, 2013, 10:29 AM
Whether he actually shoots skeet or not is totally irrelevant to the debate on this anti gun legislation.

Hopkins
January 28, 2013, 10:31 AM
Too bad his idol JFK didn't enjoy shooting a .50 BMG with the press in tow.

mbt2001
January 28, 2013, 10:33 AM
:scrutiny:

Arp32
January 28, 2013, 10:33 AM
Whether he actually shoots skeet or not is totally irrelevant to the debate on this anti gun legislation.

+1

Also it said he shoots all the time when he is at Camp David. Which is like me saying I play the slots all the time, when I am in Vegas. Which is like 3 times.

HoosierQ
January 28, 2013, 10:37 AM
I'm gonna get flamed here but I am up for it. Barack Obama is one thing and one thing only...a professional politician. As evidenced by the fact that he managed to get himself elected to the White House twice...while over the last 230 years better men failed many times...he is a capable politician.

He knows gun control is a bad idea for one's political career. He may be a lame duck but he has a political responsibility to all of those other professional politicians that depend on what happens at the White House to get elected. As a professional politician, he realizes that all of this furor over guns, whipped up by a few deeply disturbed psychopaths and a legion of media types, has taken the public discourse down a path I think he does not wish to tread.

The man himself may not care much about guns. I doubt he has any passion at all around the 2nd Amendment. However, I don't think the man has any passion around gun control either. In contrast to Bloomberg and Feinstein for whom that issue is the one that most stirs their passions.

The politician that is Barack Obama is, I think, tear at the podium aside, even less passionate about gun control and in fact fears going there lest he allow the Republican party to climb even part way out of the abyss of irrellevance into which they've allowed themselves to sink. The best way to give his political opposition a leg up is gun control. He knows that.

I believe that this is the beginning of the White House back-peddling on gun control in order to preserve Democratic hegemony over the public political sphere that they are quickly attaining. He does not want that to stop. Please also remember that, while there is some correlation, gun control is not a partisan issue. That I believe one reason why THR is not political. My analysis here is political but it is on topic because I think it is the beginning of a retreat from gun control. How far back will the White House retreat? That's the question.

I'm at your collective mercy.

22-rimfire
January 28, 2013, 10:37 AM
He may well shoot skeet as it is somewhat of a gentleman's game. Frequency? Who knows. It is not particularly generic to the 2A discussion relative to the Feinstein AWB bill of 2013.

hso
January 28, 2013, 10:38 AM
Interesting that there's never been any discussion of the President even touching a firearm of any sort until now that the prohibitionists are trying to shift the discussion onto hunting "traditions" as more and more people who never owned an AR have flocked to stores to buy them.

With violent crime and murder rates the lowest for a generation and the FBI publishing data showing this outdated notion that firearms and their magazines that make up less than 1% of the murder weapons drive dropping rates high is absurd with the most casual review at the data in the FBI’s Uniform Crime Report.

There are now more people competing with the firearms and magazines the prohibitionists want to ban than compete in clay shooting. It is a desperate strategy reflecting how out of touch with the facts the prohibitionists are to try to play the "See, I'm a shooter too" card.

When the '94 AWB was signed into law the murder rate was much much higher than today, yet most of that drop has occurred since the '94 AWB expired. This has occurred while the number of people paying nearly a thousand dollars for each and every AR has grown and grown to the point where the demand now outstrips supply and the price has gone up even more to purchase one. Yet, people still line up before stores open for the chance to pay full price (and sometimes more than full price).

The prohibitionists fly in the face of the facts on dropping murder rates and in the public's demand for these firearms and risk an even greater political backlash against politicians supporting a ban than occurred in '96, '98 and 2000. That backlash will come from the thousands upon thousands of new owners of these firearms who now have much better access to information on crime, better use of the internet, forums, websites and social media to organize against prohibitionists, and who can easily see the lessons from the last ban and understand that politicians that pass laws to restrict law-abiding citizens in the name of controlling crime are not actually interested in finding real solutions to crime and don't need to represent them in Congress.

radiotom
January 28, 2013, 10:41 AM
I'm gonna get flamed here but I am up for it. Barack Obama is one thing and one thing only...a professional politician. As evidenced by the fact that he managed to get himself elected to the White House twice...while over the last 230 years better men failed many times...he is a capable politician.

He knows gun control is a bad idea for one's political career. He may be a lame duck but he has a political responsibility to all of those other professional politicians that depend on what happens at the White House to get elected. As a professional politician, he realizes that all of this furor over guns, whipped up by a few deeply disturbed psychopaths and a legion of media types, has taken the public discourse down a path I think he does not wish to tread.

The man himself may not care much about guns. I doubt he has any passion at all around the 2nd Amendment. However, I don't think the man has any passion around gun control either. In contrast to Bloomberg and Feinstein for whom that issue is the one that most stirs their passions.

The politician that is Barack Obama is, I think, tear at the podium aside, even less passionate about gun control and in fact fears going there lest he allow the Republican party to climb even part way out of the abyss of irrellevance into which they've allowed themselves to sink. The best way to give his political opposition a leg up is gun control. He knows that.

I believe that this is the beginning of the White House back-peddling on gun control in order to preserve Democratic hegemony over the public political sphere that they are quickly attaining. He does not want that to stop. Please also remember that, while there is some correlation, gun control is not a partisan issue. That I believe one reason why THR is not political. My analysis here is political but it is on topic because I think it is the beginning of a retreat from gun control. How far back will the White House retreat? That's the question.

I'm at your collective mercy.
No, just no.

http://www.ontheissues.org/2008/barack_obama_gun_control.htm

These are all from before he was President...

Gordon_Freeman
January 28, 2013, 10:43 AM
This guy is trying to make us believe that the 2nd Amendment is about hunting and sport shooting only. He is not retreating from gun control.

RockyTop
January 28, 2013, 10:47 AM
Sure he does...probably has a skeet mounted in the Oval Office too.

Newcatwalt
January 28, 2013, 10:52 AM
Funny. For a guy and consummate politician that goes shooting all the time I've never seen any pictures or videos of him doing so. You would think he would have done so long ago to reach out to the large voting gun culture here in America. Or, he's just lying... again.

medalguy
January 28, 2013, 10:55 AM
I got to thinking about England and I seem to recall that the King could hunt anywhere, but if the commoners killed a stag on the King's land they were summarily executed too.

Airbrush Artist
January 28, 2013, 10:58 AM
Shootin" Sure He does.....http://t0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcRTcdL_ciis_hJx2pzzDH2PwbPDNUe6YomIOg5PK5Pm0S7INi4W

beatledog7
January 28, 2013, 11:00 AM
Whether he actually shoots skeet or not is totally irrelevant to the debate on this anti gun legislation.

I agree, per se. But whether he tells the truth regarding his own shooting is very relevant in terms of his truthfulness about his intentions regarding our shooting.

JohnM
January 28, 2013, 11:05 AM
Irrelevant malarky.
He must have just found out there was a (gasp) shooting range at Camp David.
Eisenhower had a skeet range built there back in the 50's.

jamesbeat
January 28, 2013, 11:05 AM
Also in England, firearms phohibition started with getting rid of self defense as a 'good reason' to own a gun, and only allowed them for 'sporting purposes'...

HoosierQ
January 28, 2013, 11:13 AM
No, just no.

http://www.ontheissues.org/2008/barack_obama_gun_control.htm

These are all from before he was President...
Um. A page updated last in 2008? Where the field of candidates included Sarah Palin and John McCain?

Maybe, just maybe.

radiotom
January 28, 2013, 11:20 AM
Um. A page updated last in 2008? Where the field of candidates included Sarah Palin and John McCain?

Maybe, just maybe.
You REALLY need to read your first post again. I could always link you his latest gun control speech. Did you happen to miss that? Ok here it is:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qHhwTEzR5Is

The man has been 100% for more gun control for as long as he is on record.

Tommygunn
January 28, 2013, 11:26 AM
:confused: I know he's shooting his mouth off all the time ...... :evil:

slamfirev10
January 28, 2013, 11:40 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o-r4Z1K_LDc

steveno
January 28, 2013, 11:57 AM
I just looked at camp david on google earth and there actually is a skeet range there so maybe he does shoot skeet. just kidding that he shoots skeet

HOOfan_1
January 28, 2013, 12:13 PM
I remember Clinton went on a few canned duck hunts...didn't stop him from signing the 1994 AWB.

"Up at Camp David, we do skeet shooting all the time," he said. "And I have a profound respect for the traditions of hunting that trace back in this country for generations.

"And I think those who dismiss that out of hand make a big mistake".



What like dismissing out of hand the second amendment.

Or dismissing out of hand the legitimate reasons why an AWB would violate the second amendment.

cfullgraf
January 28, 2013, 12:14 PM
Whether he actually shoots skeet...

I wonder what his average is.

Shooting skeet was probably a political ploy since the range is available to him.

"Look, I shoot guns."

Since the president is finished running for office, it will be interesting to see how many swords he forces other Democrats to fall on so that he is known as the president that got unpopular legislation passed (obamacare, guns, responsible budgeting, immigration, and on and on).

HoosierQ
January 28, 2013, 12:35 PM
Whatever you say Radiotom. I offer only opinion...at best an analysis of what I think I am seeing.

I am not sure you read my original post very well. I am quite aware that Mr. Obama's voting and spoken record is decidedly anti-gun. I am not disputing that fact...a fact that you are citing correctly. I am suggesting that the crazy beast that is big-power politics creates motivations unto themselves that may not have existed in a man prior to the access to that power...and the responsibility and debt to others that goes along with it. You will also notice that I am unsure how much of a retreat the White House will take. Perhaps they'll only soften the talk and continue to act. Perhaps they'll drop the idea of an AWB but will back magazine capacity limits...as pointless as that second act would certainly be. Perhaps they will forge full speed ahead and count on Congress to stop it all or in part.

So take it easy there Radiotom...no need to get your blood pressure up. It's the Internet man!

InkEd
January 28, 2013, 12:42 PM
LNK beat me to it!

phil dirt
January 28, 2013, 12:47 PM
The President is a liar and a fraud. By his own admission as an Illinois State Senator, he doesn't believe anybody should own a gun. Nobody should be fooled by his BS.

SSN Vet
January 28, 2013, 12:50 PM
None of this was a mystery, going as far back as 2007....

But the masses voted for him anyways

I did not.

Perhaps Mitt Romney was spot one with his 47% analysis.

XD 45acp
January 28, 2013, 03:36 PM
Hold Up... I've personally seen him shoot.... He has Shot Hoops, Shot a round of golf, Shot his mouth off, Shot his wad when it comes to spending U.S. taxpayer money, Shot the breeze to promise Putin more leeway after the election, and he blew the biggest hole in the Deficit we've ever seen... That's alot of shootin !! Darn near to the point of Wreckless Discharge...

radiotom
January 28, 2013, 03:38 PM
Whatever you say Radiotom. I offer only opinion...at best an analysis of what I think I am seeing.

I am not sure you read my original post very well. I am quite aware that Mr. Obama's voting and spoken record is decidedly anti-gun. I am not disputing that fact...a fact that you are citing correctly. I am suggesting that the crazy beast that is big-power politics creates motivations unto themselves that may not have existed in a man prior to the access to that power...and the responsibility and debt to others that goes along with it. You will also notice that I am unsure how much of a retreat the White House will take. Perhaps they'll only soften the talk and continue to act. Perhaps they'll drop the idea of an AWB but will back magazine capacity limits...as pointless as that second act would certainly be. Perhaps they will forge full speed ahead and count on Congress to stop it all or in part.

So take it easy there Radiotom...no need to get your blood pressure up. It's the Internet man!
Well, as demonstrated by his history, I don't think he's going to retreat at all. Now, I don't think they'll get an AWB through congress, but a mag ban yes. I don't think he's going to tone down the rhetoric at all though. Throughout his history, when has he ever toned down the rhetoric?

By the way, my blood pressure is pretty low, probably from all the venting I do on the internet. ;)

HoosierQ
January 28, 2013, 04:16 PM
Well, as demonstrated by his history, I don't think he's going to retreat at all. Now, I don't think they'll get an AWB through congress, but a mag ban yes. I don't think he's going to tone down the rhetoric at all though. Throughout his history, when has he ever toned down the rhetoric?

By the way, my blood pressure is pretty low, probably from all the venting I do on the internet. ;)
Well I do think he's toning it down a little bit now. I do realize that the whole "hunting" thing is not the point of the 2nd Amendment although it is part of it (nobody but royalty ever could hunt in Europe after about 800AD). For some of this community all this talk about "hunting tradition", "sporting firearms" etc is code for incrementalism. Fair enough. However, seeing people on the other side actually making statements support same is, in my view, a corresponding incremental shift back toward the middle. I don't know if Feinstein or Bloomberg have ever spoken in favor of hunting with firearms or not. I am quite certain that neither have ever spoken in favor of handguns in the hands of anybody but the government.

So all I am saying is that, I think, we're seeing the political reality of gun control beginning to sink in with at least the Democrats who stand to lose as much as the Republicans. Republicans supporting gun control is the worst political move ever because they're are seriously on the ropes and rather marginalized nationally...it's their own fault really but that's for another forum. But Democrats, taking advantage of the condition of their counterparts, want more power. More power needs more votes. Power in the USA, regardless of what some people say, does not come from the barrel of a gun. It comes from the ballot box. Gun control is bad for the ballot box and I think we will see politicians backing up.

I think the whole "make no mistake, this is about total dissarmament" thing maybe the agenda of a few private individuals and precious few elected officials...but it's not the view of mainstream politicians because it would cost an enormous number of votes...maybe not in NYC...but everywhere else. An AWB would cost quite a few votes...maybe too many to bear. A magazine capacity limit? Well that one might cost just few enough votes to squeak buy I fear but we'll see.

It's hard to know what any of this means really isn't it. The media just won't let it go and correspondingly we here are sticking to the subject like glue as well...eternal vigilence I suppose. I long for better times that's for sure...when only salt intake was cause for high blood pressure.

Kristensdaddy
January 28, 2013, 04:24 PM
I just looked at camp david on google earth and there actually is a skeet range there so maybe he does shoot skeet. just kidding that he shoots skeet
I just looked it up as well. Looks like the remnants of live pigeon rings as well (boy that would go over well).

Kynoch
January 28, 2013, 04:35 PM
It's just a guess, but I would suggest that he does not appear to be the sort of person that spends a lot of time shooting firearms:

http://i.telegraph.co.uk/multimedia/archive/01388/OBama_digging_1388779c.jpg

Flynt
January 28, 2013, 04:38 PM
Apart from what's in the Administration's heart-of-hearts (I don't care), I think they realized from the git-go that the AWB and mag ban were non-starters. Something a few of their allies still cling to, so the White House needs to include it on their list, but it intends to give away the AWB and mag ban during negotiations.

Zombiphobia
January 28, 2013, 04:49 PM
Fredom is WON from the barrel of a gun.:neener:

Feinstein and anyone else interested in disarming me is welcome to come and try it 1-on-1.
They can use their skeet guns, and I'll use my military style guns... ya know, like it would be if we let them disarm us.. but the other way around.

They'd have all the firepower, and we'd have 1 or 2-shot sporting guns only. And our 'military style' guns are already stamped 'sporting'.. so their argument is invalid.

I don't trust this lying PoS one little bit, and I've written my representative in Congress to tell him that and a few other things on my mind as well as suggesting youth firearms safety and sporting programs open to the public.

We've allowed enoughr estrictions, now it's time to work on the sociological CAUSES of violence in general and stop focusing so much on the tools used to commit violence.

But as usual, Obama lies, very blatantly at that, and as usual, he's started a new offensive against the American people by opening the borders to illegal immigrants with the promise of giving them legal citizenship. It's got to do with education and agriculture, of course, because we can't possibly give these benfits to our real citizens and encourage them to go to school and/or be farmers, which we desperately need... so let's again hire foreign labor instead of our own people.

It's not besides the point, the man is screwing us all. Hard and dry. He's an enemy of this nation.

Also, has anyone considered that they don't really expect all of their proposals to pass? Maybe they are just pushing everything they can, to get the little bit they can, to push more later.. knowing full well that gun sales will sky-rocket as usual, driving up the prices and forcing these items out of the reach of ordinary citizens. That means limiting the availability without even having a law passed. As the prices go up, fewer people can afford them, even if not banned. Then later, since nobody will be able to afford them anyway, more people will be more accepting of more restrictions.. and since they won't be abl to have them anyway.. less and less mentoring of youth will occur.. so on and so on... this is a chain reaction that they are counting on.

Speaking of unintended consequences, you people who are panic-buying are also screwing our future generations without even realizing. However, if push comes to shove, I'm glad you guys got 'em while you can, because you might need to use them. I hope you've all got the sand to stand up against this BS federal government wrecking our nation.

M-Cameron
January 28, 2013, 04:54 PM
the only shooting Obama has done has been with a 35mm...



......http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-PyJXvC8sBWI/Ths4kzMvSJI/AAAAAAAAAEs/yS4GCWQmwdM/s1600/Obama-camera_1394410i.jpg

481
January 28, 2013, 04:57 PM
heh heh

Zero's remark, "I go shooting all the time.", has about the same believability as when John Kerry said that the tactic he uses when he deer hunts is to "crawl around on my stomach. I track and move and decoy and play games and try to outsmart them. You know, you kind of play the wind."

What a load of bull.

gossamer
January 28, 2013, 05:03 PM
I'm gonna get flamed here but I am up for it. Barack Obama is one thing and one thing only...a professional politician. As evidenced by the fact that he managed to get himself elected to the White House twice...while over the last 230 years better men failed many times...he is a capable politician.

He knows gun control is a bad idea for one's political career. He may be a lame duck but he has a political responsibility to all of those other professional politicians that depend on what happens at the White House to get elected. As a professional politician, he realizes that all of this furor over guns, whipped up by a few deeply disturbed psychopaths and a legion of media types, has taken the public discourse down a path I think he does not wish to tread.

The man himself may not care much about guns. I doubt he has any passion at all around the 2nd Amendment. However, I don't think the man has any passion around gun control either. In contrast to Bloomberg and Feinstein for whom that issue is the one that most stirs their passions.

The politician that is Barack Obama is, I think, tear at the podium aside, even less passionate about gun control and in fact fears going there lest he allow the Republican party to climb even part way out of the abyss of irrellevance into which they've allowed themselves to sink. The best way to give his political opposition a leg up is gun control. He knows that.

I believe that this is the beginning of the White House back-peddling on gun control in order to preserve Democratic hegemony over the public political sphere that they are quickly attaining. He does not want that to stop. Please also remember that, while there is some correlation, gun control is not a partisan issue. That I believe one reason why THR is not political. My analysis here is political but it is on topic because I think it is the beginning of a retreat from gun control. How far back will the White House retreat? That's the question.

I'm at your collective mercy.
Agreed. BO has illustrated time and time again on many issues that he is cynical and purely about politics. As President he's shown little passion for most issues. More concerned with political advantage than problem solving -- the very same problem that has plagued the Republicans for years plagues the Dems. Gun Control 94 was the same thing -- it wasn't about solving problems, it was about posture.

MANY people rack up a LOT of political debt when one person runs for office. Those debts have to be re-paid. I see this playing out and gun control looks a lot more like a debt owed than a passion. He put the issue in the discourse knowing full well the machinations and grabbers would run wild with it. His job was to put it out there.

As (fictional) President Jed Bartlett, said: "The minute I open my mouth ... I'm a human starting gun."

gossamer
January 28, 2013, 05:05 PM
the only shooting Obama has done has been with a 35mm...



......http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-PyJXvC8sBWI/Ths4kzMvSJI/AAAAAAAAAEs/yS4GCWQmwdM/s1600/Obama-camera_1394410i.jpg
That camera doesn't shoot film.

Steve51
January 28, 2013, 05:11 PM
It is hard to tell from the picture - but - I think his lips were moving. If they were, he's lying!

HoosierQ
January 28, 2013, 05:17 PM
Fredom is WON from the barrel of a gun.:neener:

Feinstein and anyone else interested in disarming me is welcome to come and try it 1-on-1.
They can use their skeet guns, and I'll use my military style guns... ya know, like it would be if we let them disarm us.. but the other way around.

They'd have all the firepower, and we'd have 1 or 2-shot sporting guns only. And our 'military style' guns are already stamped 'sporting'.. so their argument is invalid.

I don't trust this lying PoS one little bit, and I've written my representative in Congress to tell him that and a few other things on my mind as well as suggesting youth firearms safety and sporting programs open to the public.

We've allowed enoughr estrictions, now it's time to work on the sociological CAUSES of violence in general and stop focusing so much on the tools used to commit violence.

But as usual, Obama lies, very blatantly at that, and as usual, he's started a new offensive against the American people by opening the borders to illegal immigrants with the promise of giving them legal citizenship. It's got to do with education and agriculture, of course, because we can't possibly give these benfits to our real citizens and encourage them to go to school and/or be farmers, which we desperately need... so let's again hire foreign labor instead of our own people.

It's not besides the point, the man is screwing us all. Hard and dry. He's an enemy of this nation.

Also, has anyone considered that they don't really expect all of their proposals to pass? Maybe they are just pushing everything they can, to get the little bit they can, to push more later.. knowing full well that gun sales will sky-rocket as usual, driving up the prices and forcing these items out of the reach of ordinary citizens. That means limiting the availability without even having a law passed. As the prices go up, fewer people can afford them, even if not banned. Then later, since nobody will be able to afford them anyway, more people will be more accepting of more restrictions.. and since they won't be abl to have them anyway.. less and less mentoring of youth will occur.. so on and so on... this is a chain reaction that they are counting on.

Speaking of unintended consequences, you people who are panic-buying are also screwing our future generations without even realizing. However, if push comes to shove, I'm glad you guys got 'em while you can, because you might need to use them. I hope you've all got the sand to stand up against this BS federal government wrecking our nation.
You may want to consider double up the thickness of the tin foil there...some of the waves still seem to be getting through.

gym
January 28, 2013, 06:02 PM
He shoots his mouth off, and reloads on Joe's head. They look like Laurel and Hardey go to the White House. Send him out with Chaney, they can go shooting together.

eye5600
January 28, 2013, 06:19 PM
It will be interesting to see how long it is before some pol says "Yes, I shot skeet with the President." Other than Biden, of course. For the average pol, a little recreation with POTUS would be seen as a feather in his cap. A lot of you guys may not like it but, fact is, he's at the top of the food chain. Inside the beltway, time with the President is a plus, politics aside.

Kiln
January 28, 2013, 11:34 PM
Um. A page updated last in 2008? Where the field of candidates included Sarah Palin and John McCain?

Maybe, just maybe.
Something tells me that Obama's 1996-2008 voting records and quotes haven't changed since then.

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