Obama meeting with city and state chiefs of police


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nathan
January 28, 2013, 11:43 AM
This is not letting up . He is determined to get his gun ban.

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Leadhead
January 28, 2013, 11:48 AM
I'm still waiting for the police to support a move away from standard capacity mags. If they truly have no purpose beyond mass shooting then the govt agents have no use for them.....

Jorg Nysgerrig
January 28, 2013, 11:52 AM
How about linking to something that describes the meetings rather than just making vague pronouncements?

Code3GT
January 28, 2013, 11:57 AM
I watched a cut-in on the news. Couldn't find an updated link but he basically continued his idea that the 2a is about hunting and sports and not SD. I agree he's hell bent on polarizing the country until he gets another AWB at any cost.

mister_murphy
January 28, 2013, 12:10 PM
Several articles online....


http://www.google.com/search?sourceid=navclient&aq=hss&oq=Congress+is+going+to+be+paying+attention+to+them%2c%22+Obama+said%2c+citing+the+centrality+of+the+law&ie=UTF-8&rlz=1T4GZAZ_enUS349US396&q=obama+meets+with+police+chiefs&gs_l=hp..0.41l9.0.0.0.1581...........0.

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2013/01/28/obama-police-chiefs-newtown-aurora-oak-creek/1869909/

...Congress is going to be paying attention to them," Obama said, citing the centrality of the law enforcement community to the debate over guns.

Obama spoke as he and Vice President Biden met at the White House with the chiefs of Newtown, Conn., Aurora, Colo., and Oak Creek, Wis....

Best I can tell, instead of meeting with law enforcement from around the country about the various issues involved in gun control, its more of an attempt for POTUS to say, "Hey, it happened in your town, so support my new laws that I (POTUS) want." Nothing really new.

Would have been nice for POTUS to meet with many of the Police Chiefs and Sheriffs who are against mag restrictions and a new AWB to get a balanced view though.

Skribs
January 28, 2013, 01:29 PM
I wouldn't say he hasn't done anything. His health care plan has really irked people.

Would have been nice for POTUS to meet with many of the Police Chiefs and Sheriffs who are against mag restrictions and a new AWB to get a balanced view though.

You mean the 127+ who have said they wouldn't prosecute federal gun laws? Or the ones that say they will prosecute those who try to enforce federal gun laws?

I agree he's hell bent on polarizing the country until he gets another AWB at any cost.

It would definitely come at a cost to the democrat party.

mister_murphy
January 28, 2013, 02:51 PM
You mean the 127+ who have said they wouldn't prosecute federal gun laws? Or the ones that say they will prosecute those who try to enforce federal gun laws?

Honestly Skribs, I would love for POTUS to meet with many from either or both sides...Any of the LE agency heads who are against the new restrictions, I feel, would give POTUS a dose of reality, of how these possible new laws, will do nothing, except erode the rights of those law abiding persons, and the criminals will still get their firearms to use in crimes no matter what law is passed. Afterall, look at how successful prohibition was? Does Obama think things have change much since then?

Blakenzy
January 28, 2013, 02:56 PM
Here's a clip:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K7FIe8BqCCA

Listen to the comment of the CNN reporter at the end... on what was discussed Re: handguns...

And just as we have lists of which Sheriffs oppose unconstitutional gun bans, we need a list of who those Sheriffs and Police chiefs are who attended that meeting so we know who is assisting the dissolution of our Rights. Vote them out, demand their resignation when possible.

Yo Mama
January 28, 2013, 06:37 PM
I was slightly surprised to see Pima County AZ was not on the list. It was only a mass shooting involving a US Representative. Maybe because it's not about solving the issue, but just getting those yes men in the same room. Pima County Sheriff is pretty against the infringement of citizens rights.

Cactus Jack Arizona
January 28, 2013, 06:53 PM
I have to wonder just what kind of "bribes" or financial "threats" he is making to these police chiefs and Sheriffs in order to get them to go along with this illegal gun ban. :scrutiny: That's right, I said it. :p

Ryanxia
January 28, 2013, 07:03 PM
Here's a clip:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K7FIe8BqCCA

Listen to the comment of the CNN reporter at the end... on what was discussed Re: handguns...

And just as we have lists of which Sheriffs oppose unconstitutional gun bans, we need a list of who those Sheriffs and Police chiefs are who attended that meeting so we know who is assisting the dissolution of our Rights. Vote them out, demand their resignation when possible.
About 2/3 through the video Obama calls for more cops (ie. more government).
It used to be that a law enforcement were considered civilians like the rest of us, but now they're not classified as that as per the new definition of civilian.
(http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/civilian)

Remember, big brother is growing. It's up to us to stand for our freedoms now while we still have them (what's left of them).

InkEd
January 28, 2013, 07:08 PM
Quit being STUPID people!

Anyone that Obama meets with is going to be another elitist anti-2a jerk just like himself. It's all a crock of horse crap. The way it works is simple.

He meets with a group of anti-gun police chiefs from places like D.C., L.A., Chicago, NYC, etc that all support his agenda.

Then the liberal media can hype how "Reps from the LE community from across the nation" are in favor of another AWB.

The populus of uninformed sheeple do as they are instructed to do by the media and authorities.

Every few years things get more restrictive and eventually outlawed except for those in power or those that serve THEM.

Skylerbone
January 28, 2013, 10:56 PM
I have met many a law enforcement agent that feels no ordinary citizen should have the rights they enjoy, and I'm not just talking about free meals, wanton speeding with and without purpose or indiscreet lewd acts with 16 yr. old girls in a squad car resulting in pregnancy.

As with every profession there are good and bad as LEOs are surprisingly human just like the rest of us. The difference is they frequently witness inhuman acts perpetrated by their fellow citizens. I can comprehend how some can reach the conclusion that we'd (non-LE) be better off without firearms but that's flawed thinking. We'd be better off without criminals as they represent the totality of the problem and what are criminals but ordinary folks with a disdain for their fellows who seek to separate them from life, liberty...criminals are like politicians.

Realize our Politician in Chief doesn't care for reason or compromise. His agenda is his reason, his idea of compromise is he wrote it, you swallow it whole.

danez71
January 28, 2013, 11:23 PM
http://usnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2013/01/28/16740488-police-chiefs-sheriffs-divided-over-gun-control-measures?lite

A couple of interesting parts:

But it turns out the two national groups representing police and sheriffs at a meeting of law enforcement officials Monday at the White House ó the Major Cities Chiefs Association and the Major County Sheriffs Association ó disagree on the initiative. The chiefs back it, while the sheriffs oppose it.


And:

But in a letter to Vice President Joe Biden (.pdf), who is leading the White House lobbying effort, the sheriffs group argued that "a ban on assault weapons alone will not address the issues of gun violence we are facing in our country today."

Nor would limiting magazine capacity, it said: "The problem is not the law-abiding citizen that will follow the restrictions; the problem again is one of access. ... (E)ven if you canít buy in bulk, you can still buy multiple boxes of smaller quantities."



And the underlying reason:

"The big difference is a sheriff is elected and has to face the voters every four years," Decker said, but police chiefs are almost always appointed.

"If you're a police chief, you're not responsible to an electorate,"


I have a BIL that works in a major CA Sheriffs dept. He has brought this very issue of PD Chiefs not being elected up few times and how they become puppets for the politicians.

My BIL is very pro 2A even for the average citizen

PedalBiker
January 29, 2013, 12:17 AM
Note that Obama is mostly meeting with the chiefs of police who FAILED to protect their citizens.

I'm OK with learning from our mistakes, but it seems Obama wants to take the failed policies of the cities with problems and spread the misery.

Aurora is one of (if not the worst) the worst cities in Colorado - it was not always that way. I'm struggling to think of a worse city - maybe Denver, but at least Denver has a decent downtown.

cluck
January 29, 2013, 12:46 AM
Here I thought being in Utah would be a safe haven for my family and my hobbies. Police Chief Chris Burbank has pushed Salt Lake City citizens under the bus.

"I agree with the president from his position that if there is some way that we can save even one life or that we can prevent a tragedy like this from occurring then we certainly owe it to the nation to look at that and find out if that is an avenue that we need to take," Chief Chris Burbank

He holds up the Trolley Square tragedy as justification for his "expert opinion" in this matter. He seems to forget that the emotionally disturbed person in that case was confronted by an off-duty officer with a concealed weapon. BTW, Trolley Square is a "GUN FREE ZONE" so it should never have even happened, right? :rolleyes: When this hero engaged the madman, it completely changed the tide of the encounter. With only 1 glock and 8 rounds, the officer held him at bay until SWAT could arrive.....6 minutes later!!! And when SWAT finally set boots in the door, what did they engage the psycho with??? That's right...their patrol carbines! WITH 30 round magazines! What was this psycho using to go on his rampage? Yes, a PUMP SHOTGUN and a revolver.
Chris Burbank, You have failed your oath to this community and to the Constitution. It is my mission now to make sure you are removed from your job!

I was complacent because I saw it all playing out on a national level. THIS is right at my doorstep!

http://www.ksl.com/?sid=23891537&nid=148&title=slc-police-chief-talks-gun-control-in-washington&s_cid=featured-2

Ignition Override
January 29, 2013, 12:46 AM
When Obama talks about new gun controls and lack of compromise among the GOP.... it might be the only effective method he has to keep
people -mostly those who get their only 'news' from the tv- from being more aware of the frightening federal deficit and borrowing ceiling.

Aren't most of these police chiefs seen with 'Him' on tv simply politicians at this point in their careers, part of their city machines?

4v50 Gary
January 29, 2013, 12:54 AM
Makes me think of what the biker gangs in Canada did to intimidate the police. They sent each officer photos of their homes, spouse, kids, schools that the kids attend.

It's the police brass and not the line officers who are anti-2A. Brass are politicians (or pogues) and they reach where they do because of politics.

cluck
January 29, 2013, 01:02 AM
He picks and chooses his civil rights battles.
http://slcpd.com/c0ntent/uploads/oral_remarks_from_june_17_testimony_in_DC.pdf

He is more interested in protecting the rights of illegal immigrants that protecting the 2nd amendment.

cluck
January 29, 2013, 01:06 AM
Makes me think of what the biker gangs in Canada did to intimidate the police. They sent each officer photos of their homes, spouse, kids, schools that the kids attend.

It's the police brass and not the line officers who are anti-2A. Brass are politicians (or pogues) and they reach where they do because of politics.
Not about to lose ALL of my rights by doing something illegal. I will go about this the right way. Phone call to the Mayors office, my city council representative, AND I would love to get an informational interview with him personally. See what he really knows about the Constitution that he swore to uphold!

Impureclient
January 29, 2013, 01:23 AM
My sheriff and local chief of police in Pasco, FL turned down signing off for my Form 4, so I know what side of the fence they're on. Guess who I'm not voting for next election?

Makes me think of what the biker gangs in Canada did to intimidate the police. They sent each officer photos of their homes, spouse, kids, schools that the kids attend.
Thanks for the laugh.

Queen_of_Thunder
January 29, 2013, 01:42 AM
There was an article in my local online newspaper talking about internet purchases of ammo. If they somehow restricted that I would soon be in a world of hurt,even more than now. I run through so much ammo ordering it online is the only way to continue shooting. Right now I require 6 cases each of 38 special,357mag,40cal and .22. I also require 10 cases of45acp just to get back to my base load. Not to mention my requirement of 223,303,7.5 swiss and 30-40 Krag. Not the best time to add a new caliber to the collection but I couldn't pass up the 30-40 Krag. No will power I guess.

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