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jr_roosa
January 28, 2013, 03:32 PM
Just got to the bottom of my Bullseye powder. Somehow I had in my head that it lasts forever, and I had a year's supply on hand. Oops.

Gotta find me a four pounder somewhere. Going to have to order it and add in some other powders to make it worth it. Bummer.

Maybe we will see how power pistol works for target loads. I don't have high hopes for that experiment.

J.

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NeuseRvrRat
January 28, 2013, 03:41 PM
we're all gonna have to get used to just using whatever we can find for a little while. maybe you'll find a new favorite.

rodregier
January 28, 2013, 03:46 PM
W231 and HP38 are popular alternatives (with different load data) to Bullseye. Probably all hard to get.

Best way to keep track is to estimate how may loads from "X" amount of powder.

Say you're using a load that takes 3.5g of Bulleye. Each lb of powder is 7000 grains. So 4 lbs would make (7000*4/3.5) = 8000 loads (roughly).

Keep a chart of on-hand powder, primers and projectiles. Adjust as production continues. This will give you an alert in meaningful units about when to buy more, and how to balance your holdings.

Constrictor
January 28, 2013, 03:54 PM
Powder valley has unique which is a good if not better substitute for anything you would shoot bullsye in, they also have small pistol primers in stock too. they also have winchester WSF that works well in bullseyes place.

jr_roosa
January 28, 2013, 04:02 PM
Well I get about 1500 rounds out of a pound of bullseye. That lasted me years, and I only just finished my second pound ever. Somehow seeing a bottle in the cabinet translated in my head to "plenty." Now that I'm shooting bullseye 2700s it goes much quicker.

We will see what I can find in stock. Might try some of the others, but if I'm ordering online I would want to throw in a keg of 4895 too to make the shipping make sense.

There are no pistol powders to be found around here. :(

-J.

jr_roosa
January 28, 2013, 04:04 PM
It kills me because in early December I ordered a ton of primers and rifle powders from powder valley and didn't bother to get any bullseye.

J.

Constrictor
January 28, 2013, 04:13 PM
I dumped out a couple pounds of bullsye a couple weeks ago. was glas to see the end of it.

tightgroup tiger
January 28, 2013, 04:42 PM
Power pistol works very well for target loads, I use it, on and off, for 9mm,.357mag, and .327fed mag. I really like it in my .357mag.

What I don't like it for is max loads, the flash is obnoxious and distracting.

It works as good for target loads as anything else I have here.

Of my pistol powders, Unique, Bullseye, Universal, and Titegroup, I keep on hand, I would have no problem using Power Pistol to replace any of these.

I just bought another 4lb jug of power pistol last week. That will keep me for a while until I can get Universal (my favorite) again. But I'm not in any hurry and certainly won't pay a hefty premium for Universal.

jr_roosa
January 28, 2013, 05:02 PM
I use Power Pistol for full-power .45 loads...I've heard that when downloaded in .45 acp it gets messy. I currently use 3.6gr of Bullseye behind a 185 grain LSWC for rapid fire at 730 fps, and 4.2gr with a 200 grain LSWC at 760 fps.

I just hopped on PowderValley and put together a $600 shopping cart with kegs of rifle powders and 4lbs VV-N320. I'm probably a lot better off with just using my PowerPistol for a month until I can get my hands on some more bullseye or other common pistol powder. The only other pistol powder I have on hand is VV-N110.

I'm hesitant to try anything new since load development is harder here in the winter than it was when I lived in AZ.

-J.

XD 45acp
January 28, 2013, 05:08 PM
Red Dot is another alternative till you can get more Bullseye. I like Bullseye better, but my 38spl, 45acp shoots just fine with the Red Dot.

edfardos
January 28, 2013, 05:17 PM
For those of you using this thread as a shopinglist, powder valley is out of every powder mentioned here, with the exception of Unique. They also claim it wont ship for four weeks.

looking for win231/hp38 and LPP-standard primers, I have small pistol primers and 2400 to trade (sacramento area),
--edfardos

Constrictor
January 28, 2013, 05:47 PM
For those of you using this thread as a shopinglist, powder valley is out of every powder mentioned here, with the exception of Unique. They also claim it wont ship for four weeks.

looking for win231/hp38 and LPP-standard primers, I have small pistol primers and 2400 to trade (sacramento area),
--edfardos
Actually powder valley has all the powders i mentioned here in stock as well as small pistol primers.

tightgroup tiger
January 28, 2013, 05:53 PM
I've heard that when downloaded in .45 acp it gets messy

I won't load any of my loads so low with any powder that the cases won't seal up in the chamber. If I see soot down the side of the case I up my load until it goes away. Maybe that's why I never noticed this.

USSR
January 28, 2013, 06:44 PM
Consider yourself lucky, jr_roosa. There are any number of powders normally used for 12 gauge shotshells that are in the same burn rate range as Bullseye. I use Solo 1000 and 700X all the time to develop the same loads as Bullseye.

Don

Reefinmike
January 28, 2013, 07:11 PM
Actually powder valley has all the powders i mentioned here in stock as well as small pistol primers.
I only see cci musket caps, cheddite shotshell primers, remington percussion caps and muzzle loading caps, tula large rifle and berdian primers and winchester muzzle loader primers.

gacajun
January 28, 2013, 07:19 PM
Yep...pretty much all the primers that you'll find are musket and percussion caps on most websites. I'm hearing that the manufacturers are beginning to get more in the pipeline so I am hoping that primers will begin to trickle in the supply chain in a month or so.

GLOOB
January 28, 2013, 08:44 PM
So you ran out of your favorite powder, but you still have plenty of Power Pistol? Sounds like you did a fine job of hoarding to me. I'm not going to be worried until my last powder can is dry, and my loaded ammo supplies are lower than they were prior to when I started loading. Back then, I suppose I was happy to have a couple hundred rounds.

Constrictor
January 28, 2013, 09:31 PM
I only see cci musket caps, cheddite shotshell primers, remington percussion caps and muzzle loading caps, tula large rifle and berdian primers and winchester muzzle loader primers.
They had small pistol from 9am till about 3 pm.

contactcole
January 29, 2013, 12:01 AM
Unique. There are many, many alternatives to BE.

ArchAngelCD
January 29, 2013, 12:26 AM
I agree, there are many alternatives to Bullseye.

Clays, W231/HP-38, WST, 700X, PB, Red Dot, AA#2 & Zip

For slightly slower powders there is:
Universal, AutoComp, WSF, Unique, Power Pistol, AA#5 & True Blue

IMO the best Bullseye alternatives are Clays, AA#2, W231/HP-38 and Zip.

hueyville
January 29, 2013, 05:10 AM
Found an ammo can with five pounds of Bullseye forgot I had last week. Cardboard cans with metal tops. Retail price marked was $7.95 each. Must have hoarder it back in the late '70's. Opened a can, loaded up some pet 38 special loads and they shot fine. Just moved this five pounds to front of rotation.

jmorris
January 29, 2013, 10:03 AM
That's OK we have all done it before. When it calms down this time just stock up better and you will be ready for next time.

FWIW I still have primers from before the '94 AWB...

45lcshooter
January 29, 2013, 10:10 AM
Mom and pop shops around here, have alllll powders. Several little bite bigger shops have source powder because everyone goes there because the shop buys in "quantity" but yet mom and pop shops order in "quantity" too.

My local shop can order in kegs, but doesn't stock them. Needless to say I asked him on prices. A kegs is like getting pound free. My mouth hit the floor. He has them on order for me, and there has been no price spikes in the reloading world. Only panic driving prices.

hueyville
January 29, 2013, 10:38 AM
As with 45lcshooter I have found all my LGS staying stocked on powder. Since you have to walk in door rather than Google search, hard for internet panic buyers to clean off the shelves.

VaGunNut
January 29, 2013, 12:15 PM
we're all gonna have to get used to just using whatever we can find for a little while. maybe you'll find a new favorite.
Power Pistol is great in various calibers. I use it in everything from .380 to .45 even including 10 mm. Not in 357 mag though.

dickttx
January 29, 2013, 12:37 PM
I ordered primers and powder from PV in April, October, and December. My December order was the same price as the two previous ones--$26 per K for CCI LPP and SPP and $113.50 for 8# of HP38. Still showing the same price, except for a small increase in the HP38.
Each time they did not necessarily have everything I wanted when I first looked. Some times they would have SPP and no LPP, or vice versa. Sometimes they would not have them in the morning, but would in the afternoor, or vv. But with a little patience I would soon find everything I wanted. Even on the Dec 30 order. It did take about three weeks to receive that order, rather than the normal three of four days.
Now however, this is on PV's home page:

BACKORDERS: (Effective 01/29/13 at 8 AM ET)
Due to the overwhelming number of orders and the extreme supply shortages we are temporarily discontinuing our policy of accepting backorders. Over the past two months we have done everything we can to keep up with the orders including hiring several new employees and working 7 days a week. However, recently we have come to the realization that we simply can not continue to take orders for items that we have no idea when will be available, nor can we expect customers to continue to wait 4-6 weeks for us to process their in stock orders. Orders that are placed for items listed as "Out of Stock" on the website will be immediately canceled. All customers who have backorders in our system currently will not be affected and these orders will be processed as soon as the items come available. We are extremely sorry for any inconvenience this may cause.

Bryan Richardson

Dynamite Rabbit
January 29, 2013, 01:22 PM
Just got to the bottom of my Bullseye powder. Somehow I had in my head that it lasts forever, and I had a year's supply on hand. Oops.

Gotta find me a four pounder somewhere. Going to have to order it and add in some other powders to make it worth it. Bummer.

Maybe we will see how power pistol works for target loads. I don't have high hopes for that experiment.

J.
PM sent.

Magnum Shooter
January 29, 2013, 04:01 PM
Placed an order with PV 6 weeks ago and just got an invoice today. It has been a long wait but there is now light at the end of the tunnel and my 6000 pistol primers will be here soon. Still paid $26/K

Constrictor
January 29, 2013, 05:15 PM
Placed an order with PV 6 weeks ago and just got an invoice today. It has been a long wait but there is now light at the end of the tunnel and my 6000 pistol primers will be here soon. Still paid $26/K
What brand did you order?

Magnum Shooter
January 30, 2013, 10:43 AM
CCI, but they are NOT taking backorders at this time.

Constrictor
January 30, 2013, 11:33 AM
CCI, but they are NOT taking backorders at this time.
the reason I was asking is i put some winchester small pistol primers on backorder at PV january 7th and was wondering if they had gotten in any whinchester which could mean mine might be filled before too long.

Chisos
February 1, 2013, 10:54 PM
Got an 8 pound unopened can of WW Super-Lite. You can use Bullseye data or the #14 Winchester loading manual

jr_roosa
February 4, 2013, 01:15 PM
Already got four pounds of bullseye from another kind member on the board, but thanks!

J.

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