Father of Sandy Hook victim speaks before CT gun violence task force


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StrikerPaws
January 28, 2013, 07:30 PM
Finally, someone that gets it!...

Mark Mattioli on Monday in Hartford, Connecticut speaking in front of a gun violence task force. Mattioli receives a standing ovation at the end of his testimony in which he declares that more gun laws are not the solution--the massacres are only the "symptom" he says.

http://townhall.com/tipsheet/greghengler/2013/01/28/father-of-6yrold-sandy-victim-gives-powerful-testimony-the-problem-is-not-gun-laws-n1499689

See for yourself!

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Ragnar Danneskjold
January 28, 2013, 07:41 PM
The real problem is that if it were the other way around, he would be doing interviews on all the major "news" stations and talk shows. But the truth doesn't fit their narrative so he will be pushed aside and dismissed as a conservative shill.

hso
January 28, 2013, 07:42 PM
http://www.cga.ct.gov/asaferconnecticut/testimony.asp?sWhich=0128

I can't find any "Mattioli" on the list of people that spoke.

This looks like a bogus report.
Can't find him on the list, but the video and CT newspaper accounts show him speaking before the committee.

Here's a good CT Post article with pro2A people speaking out. http://www.ctpost.com/default/article/Newtown-parents-urge-enforcement-of-gun-laws-4229098.php

FullEffect1911
January 28, 2013, 07:45 PM
fwiw in this USA today article it mentions his name briefly.

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2013/01/28/newtown-shooting-legislative-subcommittee/1870581/

481
January 28, 2013, 07:47 PM
I can't find any "Mattioli" on the list of people that spoke.

This looks like a bogus report.
FNC ran most of what Mr. Mattioli said during his appearance before legislators today-

http://foxnewsinsider.com/tag/mark-mattioli/

He did very well despite choking up a few times (Heck, I did too. How could anyone not listening to this man.) and made a lot of sense. I hope that the President was listening and heeds his words.

StrikerPaws
January 28, 2013, 07:53 PM
Thanks for the additional confirmation(s)!

InkEd
January 28, 2013, 07:56 PM
I'm glad to hear it. Furthermore, I don't think blaming TV, music and video games is a soltion either. We all watched Looney Tunes during out utmost FORMITIVE YEARS and I am willing to bet that nobody dropped a safe on person.

Piss poor parenting is the problem! Everybody wants a scapegoat or easy solution. The fact is, bad parents need to look in the mirror and realize they are the problem.

Rather than worrying about "If my child likes me..." or whatever crap, maybe they should keep an eye on them and teach them life lessons. I assure you if more parents PAID ATTENTION to what they heck their kids were doing, we'd have less problems with society.

If you notice your kid is having problems (of ANY kind), then get them some help instead of just being in denial. It's not a poor reflection on you as a parent. Doing nothing about it is though!

61Woody
January 28, 2013, 08:10 PM
I can relate to what he is saying, people must be held accountable for their actions. I'm 51 and glad to see I'm not the only one who ever stole a pack of gum. My dad told me no but instead of putting it back it went into my pocket. A couple of hours later I got cought with it. He made walk a mile back to the store and pay for it.I ate dinner standing that night(not enough padding on the chairs if you know what I mean)

hso
January 28, 2013, 08:12 PM
http://www.cga.ct.gov/asaferconnecticut/tmy/0128/Elizabeth%20Drysdale.PDF

That's Elisabeth Drysdale's testimony transcript speaking out against more gun control laws.

http://www.cga.ct.gov/asaferconnecticut/tmy/0128/Judy%20Aron%20-%20Greater%20Hartford.PDF

That's Judy Aaron's testimony transcript speaking out against additional laws.

You can go through the list and click on it and read the testimony.

sota
January 28, 2013, 08:14 PM
While I as a rule take issue with the "in my day..." comparisons (for lengthy reasons I won't get into right now) I will 100% agree PARENTING (or lack there of) is the biggest problem in this day and age. Far too many people have kids because that's what they're told they should do, and never fully recognize the world-crushing responsibility it is to raise a child. it's part of the reason why my wife and I decided after our first we were done. We physically could have had more, but after starting the process with our first we quickly realized that more than one would be too much... emotionally, physically, financially, logistically. We have a fantastic and frighteningly intelligent 5 year old son. Keeping up with him takes both of us running at 110% all the time.

Airbrush Artist
January 28, 2013, 08:32 PM
"Symptom"s exactly Correct by this Heartbroken Father, but Symtptom of WHAT? thats the length of that word being Used in the Forums and Throughout Our Godless Country, much Like He abruptly ended his dialogue after quoting a Scripture verse..

Ragnar Danneskjold
January 28, 2013, 08:35 PM
thats the length of that word being Used in the Forums and Throughout Our Godless Country, much Like He abruptly ended his dialogue after quoting a Scripture verse..

Huh?

twsnnva
January 28, 2013, 08:51 PM
From the USA Today link posted by FullEffect1911:

"Families of victims killed at Newtown's Sandy Hook Elementary School and others including some state and town elected officials called for a ban on assault weapons and high-magazine ammunition clips.

But gun sellers, manufacturers and owners said state lawmakers should not institute new laws, but focus on mental-health and school-safety issues. They came out in large numbers in opposition to any new gun-control laws."

This is considered "objective reporting"...

Airbrush Artist
January 28, 2013, 09:03 PM
Its a heart of man problem rag...a Spiritual Problem...That Help...?

mrvco
January 28, 2013, 09:12 PM
When I was a kid it seemed like you had "good parents" and "bad parents" (from a kid's perspective of course), but I don't remember anyone having what we have so many of now... and that is "Indifferent" or "Uninvolved" parents who consider school to be day care and any sort of learning, behavior, etc. problems as not their responsibility. I have numerous current or former teachers in my family who say that their single biggest challenge is (or was) getting the parents involved in the child's education.

HorseSoldier
January 28, 2013, 09:34 PM
I'm glad to hear it. Furthermore, I don't think blaming TV, music and video games is a soltion either. We all watched Looney Tunes during out utmost FORMITIVE YEARS and I am willing to bet that nobody dropped a safe on person.


Though kids who were exposed to increasing levels of violence on TV (cartoon-ish or otherwise) did go on to be the perpetrators in the late 60s/Baby Boomer crime surge.

There are various explanatory models out there (the stuff about leaded gasoline that was a recent thread is really interesting), but some researchers have clocked a significant uptick in violent crime right around the time frame the first TV-raised generation is hitting late teens/early 20s.

This isn't a topic we should dismiss lightly. First, I believe it had validity (even if upturns and downturns in crime at nation-state levels are most reasonably perceived as incredibly complex systems where a lot of things make a difference for good or bad).

Secondly, if someone sat down and dreamed up an ideal propaganda counterpoint for the pro-2A side of the argument to punch back with, could they come up with something better than violence in electronic media? The topic is about center of mass right on the whole ultra-left/guns are bad mmmmmkay? movement. It hits Hollywood square in the wheelhouse, and it forces people in the middle who are okay with tearing up that second blurb in the Bill of Rights to have to stop and think about maybe tearing up that first one also, and by extension makes them wonder where the madness stops and if the .gov really has enough bubble wrap to cover the entire nation.

4v50 Gary
January 28, 2013, 09:37 PM
Thank you.

hso
January 29, 2013, 11:35 PM
http://www.cnn.com/2013/01/29/us/connecticut-sandy-hook-hearings/index.html?eref=mrss_igoogle_cnn

jamesbeat
January 30, 2013, 10:43 AM
http://www.cnn.com/2013/01/29/us/connecticut-sandy-hook-hearings/index.html?eref=mrss_igoogle_cnn
Thanks for that link, it contained a comment from someone who referred to this incident:

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dawson_College_shooting#section_1

Dawson College in Canada.

Some police officers happened to be there for an unrelated reason.
One officer shot and wounded the shooter, who then shot himself.

What woul have happened if good guys with guns hadn't been there?

Nobody will ever know, but it's pretty clear that the death toll would have been considerably higher.
Trouble is, these incidents are less newsworthy because they are stopped sooner, so they don't get the coverage that the more gruesome ones do.

It is possible to make a few observations however:

Mass killings are stopped by a bullet. The sooner armed opposition arrives in the scene, the lower the death toll.

School shooters are cowards. That's why they choose schools rather than, say, police stations, shooting ranges, gun shows.
Being shot in the shoulder took all of the fight out of this guy.
As soon as he met armed resistance, he shot himself.

The latter is the most important one. Most mass killers don't expect to survive. They kill as many people as they can before the cops or other armed resistance arrives and then allow themselves to be shot or commit suicide.

The reason that they choose schools is because they know that they can kill more people before help arrives.

If there were armed responders already inside school buildings, they would stop selecting schools as their targets.

Had Kimveer Gill known that there happened to be armed cops in Dawson College that day, would he still have gone there to shoot it up?

We can never know for sure, but given the fact that he turned the gun on himself as soon as things stopped going his way suggests that he would have thought twice if he had known that people would be shooting back at him.

Grassman
January 30, 2013, 03:29 PM
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tiamat
January 30, 2013, 11:33 PM
I think Henson Ong's statements were much better (more to the point, more factual, less emotional):

Henson Ong at Gun Violence Prevention Public Hearing (http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=NyYYgLzF6zU)

JohnKSa
February 5, 2013, 01:35 AM
Here is a pretty good commentary by Bill Stevens, the Father of a Sandy Hook student--one who survived.

From his comments, it is plain that he is a gun owner.

I especially like this quote from his statement.

"Why is that same security my daughter enjoys at home with her dad not available at school in Newtown? THAT is what you should be considering--not making her dad a criminal."

http://youtu.be/_rv94pXHMkY

Kiln
February 5, 2013, 01:44 AM
Sometimes it takes somebody born in another country to fully recognize the freedom we have here. Lets never forget that this freedom wasn't free for the guys who built this country.

klover
February 5, 2013, 02:26 AM
great loss! There was more decency 50 years ago, I remember it well.

Remember our founding fathers were all very scared and oppressed by their overseas government. You too might do something to save freedom:

Eb1
February 5, 2013, 02:27 AM
short remarks here.

That is a strong man, and sounded like a good parent. I believe in his testimony to core values and parenting.
I believe that we have a problem when I cannot watch a hockey game on TV with my 8 year old daughter without seeing erectile dysfunction commercials every 15 minutes, commercials with half naked 18 year old girls, or jokes about how grand it is to be gay on a TV sitcom.
If I could have a say, it would be a new rating system for TV commercials, so that the parental controls on my TV would black this mess out. Better yet, I should just get rid of the TV.

Sorry for the rant. I am going to say a prayer now.

benEzra
February 5, 2013, 09:15 AM
high-magazine ammunition clips

--USA Today

:banghead:

Quote:
I'm glad to hear it. Furthermore, I don't think blaming TV, music and video games is a soltion either. We all watched Looney Tunes during out utmost FORMITIVE YEARS and I am willing to bet that nobody dropped a safe on person.

Though kids who were exposed to increasing levels of violence on TV (cartoon-ish or otherwise) did go on to be the perpetrators in the late 60s/Baby Boomer crime surge.

There are various explanatory models out there (the stuff about leaded gasoline that was a recent thread is really interesting), but some researchers have clocked a significant uptick in violent crime right around the time frame the first TV-raised generation is hitting late teens/early 20s.

The problem with that theory is that youth violence began a long and steady decline around the time Mortal Kombat came out, and is now much lower than it was years ago, so obviously factors other than exposure to violence in media are at work.

if someone sat down and dreamed up an ideal propaganda counterpoint for the pro-2A side of the argument to punch back with, could they come up with something better than violence in electronic media? The topic is about center of mass right on the whole ultra-left/guns are bad mmmmmkay? movement. It hits Hollywood square in the wheelhouse, and it forces people in the middle who are okay with tearing up that second blurb in the Bill of Rights to have to stop and think about maybe tearing up that first one also, and by extension makes them wonder where the madness stops and if the .gov really has enough bubble wrap to cover the entire nation.

It also directly attacks and alienates some of the most pro-gun demographic out there, e.g. people under 45 who are gamers. Obsession with gun control is, contrary to what some might expect, much more prevalent among the 50-and-over set, who grew up in the walnut-and-steel, hunting-focused era. If you start trashing gamers, you are talking about a lot of people on this board, including me. Such divisiveness does no good, IMO. And Feinstein and her ilk would be only too happy to go after Call of Duty and whatnot, anyway; they would welcome your support.

Having said that, I think pointing out the hypocrisy of studios who decry responsible civilian gun ownership while profiting from movies that glorify gun misuse is probably apropos. But the last thing we need is to be seen advocating a new Tipper Gore style fatwa.

SSN Vet
February 5, 2013, 05:23 PM
"culture of civility"

Well he pretty much hit the nail on the head with that one.

I read an article recently that detailed how kids with high "self esteem" that is founded on a system of blubbering parents and teachers who faun over everything a kid does, both bad and good, are hitting the wall in college and are totally baffled that their professors expect them to actually perform. The author made a strong case that the single largest ticket to success was not self esteem, but self control. So I'll count that as my contribution to the discussion about "kids these days".

As for violence on TV... we ditched ours 15 years ago. Did so b4 we even had kids, but it's been the single most influential parenting decision we ever made.

And after seeing my nephew's brain turned to vegetative mush rotting away in front of a game console, I vowed that I'd never have one in the house. With all girls, it was an easier decision, and we do allow learning games on the PC. But no mind numbing, obsessive compulsive disorder feeding, never ending console games.

Older two were just invited to join the National Honors Society and consistently receive high praises from their teachers, as polite and respectful kids who exhibit a high degree of SELF CONTROL!

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