62 Colorado Sheriffs Position on Gun Control


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BlkLtng02
January 28, 2013, 09:50 PM
Just got an email alert from the NRA. This is a 5 page .pdf from the Sheriffs in Colorado. Basically 62 Sheriffs are going to oppose any new gun control legislation. Well written and worth the read. Hopefully other states will follow suit!!

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Ed N.
January 28, 2013, 09:55 PM
File won't open.

InkEd
January 28, 2013, 09:56 PM
Good. I think its about time that local and state agencies started telling the federal govenment when and if they want their input on things!

4v50 Gary
January 28, 2013, 09:56 PM
Glad I moved to Colorado. You'd only see a handful of sheriffs in California support the 2A.

BlkLtng02
January 28, 2013, 09:57 PM
It is opening for me. Maybe right click and save. It is an Adobe Acrobat .pdf

dstryr
January 28, 2013, 10:00 PM
Great letter and I'm sending it to my brothers who live in the Springs in case they haven't seen it. Now to get Iowa sheriffs on the ball.

DAP90
January 28, 2013, 10:19 PM
Any idea which two counties did not participate?

BlkLtng02
January 28, 2013, 10:24 PM
No not sure.

Robert
January 28, 2013, 10:26 PM
El Paso County Sheriff Terry Maketa has come out on the Sheriff's web page saying that he will not enforce any new laws that violate the 2nd Amendment.

http://shr.elpasoco.com/

mrvco
January 28, 2013, 10:34 PM
Any idea which two counties did not participate?
I'll take a wild guess and say Boulder and Denver Counties.

Thankfully my county's Sheriff is on board!

BlkLtng02
January 28, 2013, 10:39 PM
I just sent an email to the Sheriff of Arapahoe county to ask the question of which 2 counties aren't represented. I am assuming it is Boulder and Denver as well. I find it amusing that Magpul's facility is in Boulder!!

izhevsk
January 28, 2013, 10:47 PM
I'm very glad of the perspective demonstrated by the LE in my county and state.

MRH
January 28, 2013, 10:52 PM
Local news was reporting that Sheriffs in the Denver metropolitan area were FOR the bans. This is where most of the population of Colorado reside.

izhevsk
January 28, 2013, 10:56 PM
http://www.indexmundi.com/facts/united-states/quick-facts/colorado/population#chart

230RN
January 29, 2013, 02:07 AM
While this is not a direct "comittment" to "not enforce" new gun laws, I was delighted to find that the County Sheriffs of Colorado are saying what we've been saying all along:

https://www.co.jefferson.co.us/jeffco/sheriff_uploads/CSOC_position_paper_gun_control_regulation.pdf

Hell, I could have written that myself. Maybe your Sheriff should read this.


"Makes my heart soar like an eagle." --The Grandfather, in "Little Big Man."

Terry, 230RN

goon
January 29, 2013, 04:03 AM
I was a supporter of mandatory background checks on private sales until now. If all the Sheriffs in Colorado, law enforcement professionals who presumably know their stuff, say it won't help and will be unenforcable, who am I to disagree?

BlkLtng02
January 29, 2013, 08:47 AM
Just got a response from the Sheriff in Arapahoe and apparently Broomfield and Denver don't have an elected Sheriff. That is why Colorado has 64 counties and only 62 Sheriffs represented on the document.

DAP90
January 29, 2013, 09:16 AM
Good to know. Thanks for the info.

Mayvik
January 29, 2013, 08:05 PM
Also, if folks are not doing so - please use the Contact form to send them a thank you note. Sending out letters doesn't always have to be of the "don't you dare..!" variety, and it's good to let your officials know that you appreciate them representing you well.

biohazurd
January 30, 2013, 12:04 AM
Glad im not on my own in this state.

jamesbeat
January 30, 2013, 12:54 AM
Forgive my ignorance, but how big a deal is this type of thing?

I'm not being facetious, I have only lived in the States for three years and I genuinely don't know.

Do sheriffs routinely write to politicians about legislation, or is this a 'Holy S***!' history-in-the-making type action that we're seeing here?

I really hope that it is the heroic and unprecedented defense of the Second Amendment that it appears to be.

allaroundhunter
January 30, 2013, 12:59 AM
jamesbeat,

Technically speaking, they are going against the Constitution by taking a stand saying they won't enforce federal law. However, as seen with medical (and more recently, recreational) marijuana use being legalized in states with little reaction from the federal government, it can make a good impact.

It also lets the government know just how ill-received any possible infringement on the 2nd Amendment will be. Having so many LE officials and states tell Obama and others that this will not be acceptable can actually have a large effect.

armedandsafe
January 30, 2013, 01:04 AM
by jamesbeat Forgive my ignorance, but how big a deal is this type of thing?

I'm not being facetious, I have only lived in the States for three years and I genuinely don't know.

Do sheriffs routinely write to politicians about legislation, or is this a 'Holy S***!' history-in-the-making type action that we're seeing here?

I really hope that it is the heroic and unprecedented defense of the Second Amendment that it appears to be.

It is almost unheard of. I've never heard of such a broad movement before. There was some activity by Southern Sheriffs during the Civil Rights movement and legislation, but it was only a few, and those from only a few states.

Pops

jamesbeat
January 30, 2013, 01:07 AM
So it's not like they'll just roll their eyes and say 'it's those pesky sheriffs again...' it's actually a rare thing to happen?

For all I know, all sheriffs could be writing to the politicians every month!

I think that the stance the sheriffs are taking is that the law itself is unconstitutional, so they would be behaving unconstitutionally if they DID enforce it.
I think we all agree with the sheriffs, but I guess that type of thing can only be decided in court.

Either way, those are some brave and righteous men.

jamesbeat
January 30, 2013, 01:14 AM
It is almost unheard of. I've never heard of such a broad movement before. There was some activity by Southern Sheriffs during the Civil Rights movement and legislation, but it was only a few, and those from only a few states.

Pops
Wow, so this really is something that will probably end up in the history books!

Good. I hope it has come as a surprise to the antis and will shock some sense into them.

If this situation wasn't so depressing, it would be pretty exciting...

GKR333
January 30, 2013, 01:23 AM
This is good news

It would be interesting to know the views of every Sheriff across the nation

allaroundhunter
January 30, 2013, 02:24 AM
So it's not like they'll just roll their eyes and say 'it's those pesky sheriffs again...' it's actually a rare thing to happen?

I have never heard of anything of this magnitude ever happening. It is most definitely not something that can be ignored. I would expect that all of this backlash over the thought of increased gun control has made a large impact on many politicians (including the president), and I expect it to continue to further our efforts to protect our 2nd Amendment.

JLe˛dhas
January 30, 2013, 03:51 AM
Thanks for sharing, hang in there Colorado.

Nickel Plated
January 30, 2013, 05:02 AM
So it's not like they'll just roll their eyes and say 'it's those pesky sheriffs again...' it's actually a rare thing to happen?

Even if the Feds decide not to care about what the Sherifs think, the Sheriff is the highest LE position in his county. Generally Fed. LE agencies like ATF, can't do anything without approval of the county Sheriff.

So the Senate and Obama can pass all the laws they want, if the Sheriffs aren't willing to enforce them and actively prevent the Feds from enforcing them, then the law becomes irrelevant and abiding by it is pretty much optional.

230RN
January 30, 2013, 05:12 AM
Bump to possibly merge threads.

RugerNewbie
January 30, 2013, 05:32 AM
Greetings and Good Morning,
I just joined the High Road and must say how glad I am to come across this Forum! As my user name indicates, I am a brand new first time gun owner of a 1976 Ruger Police Service Six Blued 4" .357/.38 SPL in impeccable condition!!! (I'll post some pictures of it in the near future.)
I am hopeful to learn from the wisdom you all can share and give coaching points on a variety of topics regarding this privilege called the Second Amendment, the skills needed to enjoy shooting and the awareness needed for home/self-defense.
It was my hope to find some Colorado connections on here. It didn't take much to find this thread right off the bat! The topic actually is music to my ears and I thought it was a great proclamation from the "County Sheriffs of Colorado". After all, with all that has gone down over the past 6 months, I knew I couldn't put off taking this leap any longer.
My heart breaks for the fact that the "liberals" are the minority in reality, yet they squeak the loudest to influence the "emotionally driven" uninformed with lies about what our country was based upon.
I couldn't just sit by any more on the sidelines, I needed to stand up and be counted with the rest of you. You have no idea how I pray that Eric Holder and the rest of the administration will wake up and realize the error of their ways. I also will promote to more
that I encounter to ask jump up off the bench and into the game.
This Saturday, I'll be going to the Tanner Gun Show in Denver, so if any of you have tips on who to talk to there for CCW classes, I'd greatly appreciate the tips. Here's to our success in influencing all that are still on the sidelines.
Eric

230RN
January 30, 2013, 05:32 AM
Redundant posting. I didn't see this one when I posted mine.

http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?p=8697402#post8697402

You might point out that that wasn't necessarily ALL of them, it's that the organization voted to endorse that. And there are more than 62 counties in Colorado. Broomfield is a new county.

Nevertheless, it is a powerful statement. And let's remember that this was endorsed by the top cops, which is unusual, since as I understand it, higher-up LEOs are generally against blanket 2A freedoms.

Ah, what the hell. Nobody reads my stuff anyhow... :D

Terry, 230RN

goon
January 30, 2013, 06:11 PM
The letter in question, in case it has not been posted yet. It was enough to change my favorable views toward mandatory background checks. I now oppose them. If experienced law enforcement officers don't support them, then it makes no sense for me to support them. I trust their judgement.


http://www.washcountysheriff.com/documents/CSOCGunLegPositionPaper.pdf

BlkLtng02
January 30, 2013, 08:01 PM
Quote: You might point out that that wasn't necessarily ALL of them, it's that the organization voted to endorse that. And there are more than 62 counties in Colorado. Broomfield is a new county.

I read the document again and it looks like the wording used represents all 62 Sheriffs position on the 2A. There are 64 counties, but Denver and Broomfield don't have elected Sheriffs.

shinerjohn
January 30, 2013, 08:41 PM
Technically speaking, they are going against the Constitution by taking a stand saying they won't enforce federal law.

I believe the sheriffs are not going against the Constitution by refusing to enforce laws that are unconstitutional. Rather they are keeping the oath they took to DEFEND the Constitution against all enemies, foreign and domestic.

TimboKhan
January 31, 2013, 12:49 AM
I spoke with John Cooke today, who is the Sheriff of Weld County. I shook his hand and told him thank you for supporting the 2nd amendment, and he and I got into a 10 minute discussion about the issues.

It helps that he knows me a little bit thanks to my working for Weld County with the gang kids for several years and now my role working for the State finding Veterans jobs, but I don't think he knows me well enough to give me personal opinions and so I found it even more impressive with how passionate he was on the subject. Needless to say, Cooke isn't a fan of additional gun laws.

Lucky Derby
January 31, 2013, 05:01 AM
I've been a bit nervous lately about CO. I moved here from CA this past summer, less than a week before the theater shooting in fact. Gun laws were PART of the decision to move to CO. I've been afraid lately that I chose poorly in regards to the gun issue, and it would be like going back to CA. This gives me hope.

IlikeSA
January 31, 2013, 07:51 AM
I know for sure one was Arapahoe County Sheriff Grayson Robinson.

http://extras.mnginteractive.com/live/media/site36/2013/0122/20130122_044227_SheriffRobinsonGunViolencePerspective.pdf

"Arapahoe County Sheriff Grayson Robinson has a different take on proposed gun-control legislation than his counterparts to the north.

In a letter Robinson sent to constituents Tuesday, the sheriff said that he supports the right to bear arms and that it is his duty to uphold the Constitution.

President Barack Obama is calling for stricter federal gun laws, including banning assault-style rifles and requiring background checks for all gun purchases.

But last week, Larimer County Sheriff Justin Smith and Weld County

Sheriff John Cooke said they would not enforce laws that threaten the Second Amendment. (Smith later said was just giving his opinion and that he would uphold the Constitution.)

"I don't share that opinion, as I said in the letter," Robinson told The Denver Post........

http://www.denverpost.com/technology/ci_22427943

19-3Ben
January 31, 2013, 08:05 AM
Wow, so this really is something that will probably end up in the history books!


I certainly hope so. I have never ever heard of large groups of sheriffs openly vowing to not enforce laws passed by the legislature. This sets a precedent as far as I know of and completely undermines the power of the politicians.
Very exciting times.

MRH
January 31, 2013, 03:09 PM
I would hope that our two senators, both Democrat, received and read the position paper from the Sheriffs, and that it may influence their decisions, leaning toward voting against the bill. (I doubt that). Senator Bennett is for the assault weapon bill, while I'm not sure of Senator Udall's position.

Waywatcher
January 31, 2013, 03:14 PM
While LE has discretion in which laws they choose to enforce, they do not have the power to decide or declare which laws are unconstitutional. That is left to the judicial branch of government.

I see this as a dangerous trend; a clear misunderstanding of our form of governance in this country.

michaelbsc
January 31, 2013, 11:01 PM
I see this as a dangerous trend; a clear misunderstanding of our form of governance in this country.

I agree completely that this is a dangerous trend.

What I see is the frustrations of the lower rungs of the government closest to the people as the cohesive bonds are starting to fracture.

This ain't good. But if the local Sheriffs are going to be on a side you damn well want them on your side. As things were fracturing to pieces during prohibition the central government eventually relented and the locals prevailed.

Unlike Mexico or Colombia or Spain there are no Federalies here. At least not enough, not yet. So local sheriffs weild enormous power. At least they do outside the major metropolitan regions. I'm not sure there's a sheriff in NYC. And the MA State Police may as well be the Waffen SS when you see them.

But in the "fly over" country sheriffs are not to be ignored.

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