What can you tell me about the glock 32 and the 357 sig?


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horsemen61
January 29, 2013, 12:01 AM
Ok guys I was wondering what you can tell me about the glock 32 and the 357 sig? It seems to me that no one likes it, why is that?

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powder
January 29, 2013, 12:08 AM
Ammo is expensive if you dont re-load.

For LE where vehicle contacts are regular, the 357 SIG is king.

CZ223
January 29, 2013, 06:34 AM
It isn't more popular because of the cost of ammo. The 357 sig is an awesome cartridge. Aside from it having lots of power, it is also quite accurate. I have the G-32 but I put a G-23 barrel on it a few years ago. Now that I am getting back into reloading, I can't wait to reload for the G-32 once again. The 357 is a little harder to load for than most cartridges, but well worth the effort. I have often thought that I would like a carbine in 357 Sig and another in 10MM while we are at it.:evil:

ku4hx
January 29, 2013, 06:34 AM
It was designed to mimic the 357 Magnum 125 grain load (in a 4" barrel revolver IIRC) and to have the associated higher firepower of a high capacity semi auto. It does a credible job in those areas.

The ammunition can be expensive, and for me it's the most irksome cartridge to hand load. That leetle bottle neck case is a PITA with rejects running far higher than any other cartridge.

As to its competency as a combat cartridge, it does fill a specific niche. But for me it's a novelty. I can better the 357 Magnum with either of my 10mm guns and either 135 or 150/155 grain bullets. I bought a Lone Wolf barrel for my Glock 23 so my investment was minimal.

I don't think owning a gun chambered in 357 Sig is a mistake, you just have to know it's likely to be expensive to shoot if you don't hand load. My son and I have after market barrels for our Glock 22, 23 and 27 and it is fun to shoot. Especially so when loaded down to 9mm equivalent. Just fun to shoot. But then so are our Rugers, Brownings and Glocks in 9mm.

meanmrmustard
January 29, 2013, 07:12 AM
Have the 32, and here's my take:

1. It's flippy. Not as much rise as a .40, but it has some blast.

2. The round is fast, hits hard, and it does a number on steel. If a 9 swings it, 357 sig flat out makes my gong dance.

3. Ammo, for practice, isn't that expensive. You'll hear that it is. I equate it to roughly .45 ACP price, and that's doable. Plus, you CAN actual find 357 sig. It's when you get to defense ammo that your pocket cries. Of course, you could reload. 22.99 for a box of 25 Hornady Critical Defense doesn't hurt my feelings, though.

4. It has deep penetrating capabilities, and I don't use mine for HD, but it would do well as a truck gun.

mrnic3guy1989
January 29, 2013, 07:28 AM
It's a great gun I CC it everyday for two years. It's a little loud and sharper recoil then the .40 cal parent case but it's got the penetration you want. I actually would carry it backpacking and hiking with FMJ`s because I felt it was worthy of black bear defence. I may get another one for myself if I maintain my GPA but I want the 10mm to decisions decisions.... The ammo is expensive and hard to find sometimes I couldn't find any at the local gun stores but if you buy a .40 cal barrel it's well worth it IMO.

Aaron1100us
January 29, 2013, 07:59 AM
I carry a G33 in 357 SIG. I usually spend $18-$20 for 50. For carry, I use Speer Gold Dots. I might get a 9mm barrel for cheaper practice though. Compared to my G22, this gun has quit the felt recoil and has a huge muzzle flash and is really loud. Fun to shoot.

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Dan-O
January 29, 2013, 09:15 AM
Great platform, great cartridge, cheap to reload for.

ku4hx
January 29, 2013, 09:26 AM
Great platform, great cartridge, cheap to reload for.
Ah yup ... and all this talk is making me want to go shoot a few of mine.

Loc n Load
January 29, 2013, 09:36 AM
Post 9-11 I instructed the Sig 229 chambered for the 357 sig.....it was challenging in that the vast majority of the officer's being trained on it, had never fired a handgun before. The qualifying course of fire was demanding, which only added to the stress. Since then, I have shot the Sig and Glock platforms a lot in the 357 sig. Having been a 357 magnum fan since the 70's, the 357 Sig gives the shooter 357 mag performance with 125 gr loads in some good platforms. It has a solid rep in the LE community and is issued to some "heavy hitter" agencies.

horsemen61
January 29, 2013, 12:29 PM
Thanks guys for the replies I do reload so it is now on my wish list :D.

chez323
January 29, 2013, 01:15 PM
I've got one that I carry from time to time. It fits my hand nice, is accurate and reliable, it is much snappier than my 9's (obviously). I've also got a P226 and a P239 in 357 Sig as I like the round. I don't reload it but have found that target ammo isn't too badly priced. Just ordered (on backorder) 300 rounds for $120 from Cabelas and I've stumbled on better prices before. But even then, its only $20 a box of 50.

Sam Cade
January 29, 2013, 02:00 PM
It's a little loud and sharper recoil then the .40 cal parent case

You should run a recoil calculator on various .357 SIG and .40 S&W loads.

I think you will be surprised.

M2 Carbine
January 29, 2013, 02:21 PM
I'm not a big Glock fan and never had an interest in the 357 SIG.

I ran across a fellow that wanted $350 for his once fired G33 and two boxes of ammo. Seemed like a good price, even for a Glock.

I was very impressed with the round and even the gun. So I started reloading for it. No problem, just use a carbide 40 S&W sizing die and regular 357 SIG dies.

Now the gun/round is at the top of my concealed carry list.

Chances are I'll get other guns that are chambered for the 357 SIG.

meanmrmustard
January 29, 2013, 08:16 PM
You should run a recoil calculator on various .357 SIG and .40 S&W loads.

I think you will be surprised.
Recoil being subjective, I've always agreed that .40 was jumper than 357 sig.

Sam Cade
January 29, 2013, 08:21 PM
Recoil being subjective, I've always agreed that .40 was jumper than 357 sig.

Most serious .40 loads will generate more physical recoil forces than comparable .357 SIG.

Plug in your own data, it is pretty interesting.

http://www.handloads.com/calc/recoil.asp

Snowdog
January 29, 2013, 08:42 PM
I can tell you that Underwood loads .357sig the way it was intended: hot!

From a Glock 32, reports from a reputable source (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ughIFOrIP_w) has clocked this ammo as having an average velocity of over 1500 fps (that's 630 ft/lbs at the muzzle, shazam!). IIRC, this is similar performance to Federal or Remington 125gr JHP .357 magnum from a 6" barrel. Not bad performance from an auto.

I have purchased a few boxes and from my M&P40c with Storm Lake .357sig barrel, I can say they do indeed seem punchy, but not uncontrollable and still accurate.

meanmrmustard
January 29, 2013, 08:44 PM
Most serious .40 loads will generate more physical recoil forces than comparable .357 SIG.

Plug in your own data, it is pretty interesting.

http://www.handloads.com/calc/recoil.asp
Thanks for the link. It corroborates my felt recoil suspicion.

If 357 sig would ever drop to even .40 prices (wishful thinking) I'd literally leap for joy. It's a damned fine round, just not too popular. I still like it better than 5.7 though.

CZguy
January 29, 2013, 10:48 PM
It will come into popularity sooner or later. Fast light bullets just aren't in style right now.

These things go in cycles.

.357 Sig is an excellent round, and fun to shoot st longer ranges than you would normally shoot a handgun.

Deaf Smith
January 29, 2013, 11:01 PM
I have the whole set... Glocks 31, 32, and 33. Also a .40 S&W and 9mm version.

With top loads the Glock 31 really is a .357 magnum in power. Honest 1450+ fps for 125gr loads. The mid-size makes about 1400 fps and that still is not bad at all. The Glock 33 kind of like a 2 1/2 S&W Combat Magnum. Still 1350 fps but not the true 1450 fps load.

As for ammo, go look at the top 9mm loads like DPX or Winchester STX. The cost of that ammo isn't much different than .357 top loads. But for practice... just get a Wolf 9mm barrel and some mags and shoot 9mm for practice. Cuts down the expense and won't take long to pay for that barrel.

Do that or, like me, have a 9mm Glock for practice.

Deaf

Sam Cade
January 29, 2013, 11:55 PM
of over[/ I]1500 fps (that's 630 ft/lbs at the muzzle, [I]shazam!). IIRC, this is similar performance to Federal or Remington 125gr JHP .357 magnum from a 6" barrel.

Shazam indeed.

That has got to be pushing the limits of what that bullet can take.

Giterboosted
January 31, 2013, 12:34 AM
My posts are usually short and sweet, so I'll stay in fashion, it's a straight and flat shooting cartridge. Around here it costs the same as .40, and it's the only glock I still have.

I love mine

Bovice
January 31, 2013, 08:35 AM
My warmer 180 grain loads in .40 mimic the power of .45 185s. I still think my 357 SIG had more recoil, but it was probably the impulse and the additional blast I was noticing. If you're used to large bore stuff like 40/45, you might not like 357 SIG all that much. I don't think it is hard to load for at all. I don't load it anymore but I've got a few hundred rounds socked away. 124 Nosler JHP at 1350 FPS makes a big boom and a nice fireball.

Dan-O
January 31, 2013, 10:53 AM
A good 357 sig resource.

http://www.handguninfo.com/Archive/www.Pete-357.com/

TMann
February 1, 2013, 12:49 AM
I picked up a used G32 this year that came with a .40 (G23) barrel. I also purchased a Lone Wolf 9mm conversion barrel, so my gun will shoot all three calibers. I don't practice with the .357 rounds much, as I have a lot of 9mm and a decent amount of .40 ammo. But I load it with .357 for carry.

In my brief experience, the recoil is worse when I'm shooting .40 ammo, but the blast and noise is greater with the .357 (depending, of course, on the specific ammo that you're shooting.)

It's a great gun. I'll think that you'll be happy with it.

TMann

beatledog7
February 1, 2013, 01:42 PM
My first ever experience with .357 Sig today. I fired 20 rounds of Winchester 125gr flat nose (10 each from two .40cal mags) from a Glock 22 "converted" to a Glock 31 by a Lone Wolf barrel.

Barrel fit perfectly, all rounds fed and fired flawlessly. Very loud but a bit softer felt recoil with about equal muzzle flip as shooting roughly equivalent .40cal. Accurate given my skill level and unfamiliarity with how POA/POI would correlate. Fun to shoot, and I'm glad I made the purchase. Will shoot my first handloads another day as I was time constrained this morning. (My main reason for going was to put some 00 through my BPS Hi-Cap.)

The only negative is that 14 of 20 of the valued .357 Sig brass flew into no-man's land. Then again, having only about 30% fall on the shooter side of the line is about the same as .40Cal from this pistol. Bummer.

BrainOnSigs
February 2, 2013, 07:04 AM
Great round...great pistol.

I own a G32 and this G33 that is in a bug-out bag:
http://brainonsigs.smugmug.com/Other/Things-that-go-BANG/i-Td8pvpv/0/O/Hand%20Guns%2030.jpg

R.W.Dale
February 2, 2013, 07:12 AM
Great round great pistol but combined expect lots of bullet setback.

If you're not a load it and forget it for months kinda guy or always unload your carry ammo bullets first than it may not be the glock for you and is exactly why I sold mine.




posted via that mobile app with the sig lines everyone complains about

Inebriated
February 2, 2013, 07:17 AM
Well I basically was going to post what R.W.Dale posted... So I guess I'll just leave now.

BrainOnSigs
February 2, 2013, 08:11 AM
Great round great pistol but combined expect lots of bullet setback.

If you're not a load it and forget it for months kinda guy or always unload your carry ammo bullets first than it may not be the glock for you and is exactly why I sold mine.



An excellent read on bullet set-back (in this case discussing .357 Sig): http://www.handguninfo.com/Archive/www.Pete-357.com/factory.setback.chart.htm

I have fired (if my logs are correct) over 50K rounds of .357 Sig since '94. They were fired thru several weapons (Sig P229, Sig P226ST, Glock G32, Glock G33, HK P2000SK). I have only seen 2 examples of a dangerous set back condition. Neither involved factory SD ammo. I do not, as a practice, load/unload my carry weapon. The times that I do unload/reload...I do check the round I am chambering...no matter the caliber.

Bob72
February 2, 2013, 08:32 AM
Love it, carry it during the winter and reloading is the only problem. For some reason, about 6 out of one hundred will not size properly resulting in jams. Other than that...love the gun with its very recognizable blast.

R.W.Dale
February 2, 2013, 08:39 AM
An excellent read on bullet set-back (in this case discussing .357 Sig): http://www.handguninfo.com/Archive/www.Pete-357.com/factory.setback.chart.htm

I have fired (if my logs are correct) over 50K rounds of .357 Sig since '94. They were fired thru several weapons (Sig P229, Sig P226ST, Glock G32, Glock G33, HK P2000SK). I have only seen 2 examples of a dangerous set back condition. Neither involved factory SD ammo. I do not, as a practice, load/unload my carry weapon. The times that I do unload/reload...I do check the round I am chambering...no matter the caliber.

Just two chamberings with my g 32 using Winchester ranger ammunition was enough to generate almost .030" of bullet setback. This was unacceptable to me since once a round made its second trip in it HAD to be fired.

I agree setback is a concern on other cartridges too. But in my experience its far far less of one.




posted via that mobile app with the sig lines everyone complains about

BrainOnSigs
February 2, 2013, 09:06 AM
Just two chamberings with my g 32 using Winchester ranger ammunition was enough to generate almost .030" of bullet setback. This was unacceptable to me since once a round made its second trip in it HAD to be fired.

I agree setback is a concern on other cartridges too. But in my experience its far far less of one.



Interesting. I have checked several rounds of my carry ammo (Speer Gold Dots) and have seen zero issues.....this would have been after 3 chamberings at the most. Not exactly scientific or detailed like the link I attached earlier. I think the best lesson for shooters is to 1) Check the round they are chambering 2) Do you need to continually load/unload the round in a carry weapon...especially if you have a safe place to store the weapon when not being carried? 3) Shoot up the rounds in your carry mags at least once a year and add new ammo.

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