STI Spartan what's inside??


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marine 97-03
January 29, 2013, 04:36 PM
I know its made by armscore to STI specs but are there STI parts inside?? Tell me all you know?

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smalls
January 30, 2013, 01:21 AM
Yes, the guts are STI parts. Frame/slide are made to STI specs with STI trained Armscor employees.

tarosean
January 30, 2013, 01:27 AM
what's inside??

MIM parts....

smalls
January 30, 2013, 01:39 AM
MIM parts...

If you're expecting all steel parts in a >$700 1911 you'll be sorely disappointed with your search results.

tarosean
January 30, 2013, 01:49 AM
If you're expecting all steel parts in a >$700 1911 you'll be sorely disappointed with your search results.

well aware of that fact... Just answering the persons question.

I have no earthly idea where they get the parts from / supplier.

Water-Man
January 30, 2013, 01:59 AM
Yes, you answered the OP's question with sarcasm.

marine 97-03
January 30, 2013, 05:32 AM
Kimber uses MIM parts and they work....

Thompsoncustom
January 30, 2013, 06:48 AM
so...... Armscor employees are building STI guns in the Armscor factory with parts they made there to STI specs. Sounds like a high end Armscor gun after all they are making the parts and building the gun.

Tho I wouldn't worry about where it's made as a lot of stuff and parts are made overseas and from what I hear most people really like there STI's and RIA 1911's.

JTQ
January 30, 2013, 07:56 AM
From the STI International site.

STI Spartan

http://www.stiguns.com/the-sti-spartan-v-2/

tuj
January 30, 2013, 10:31 AM
I've got one and it's been a great gun, very reliable. Great value in a 1911.

Sam1911
January 30, 2013, 10:36 AM
If you're expecting all steel parts in a >$700 1911 you'll be sorely disappointed with your search results.MIM parts ARE "all steel." :rolleyes:

MIM is just a new way of producing steel parts, and the technology is getting better all the time. I have MIM parts in several guns with very high mileage and have had, IIRC, no MIM parts failures.

smalls
January 30, 2013, 10:53 AM
so...... Armscor employees are building STI guns in the Armscor factory with parts they made there to STI specs. Sounds like a high end Armscor gun after all they are making the parts and building the gun.

Tho I wouldn't worry about where it's made as a lot of stuff and parts are made overseas and from what I hear most people really like there STI's and RIA 1911's.


Their guts are made here, and shipped to the Armscor factory, but I agree, tons of people are happy with their guns do don't worry where it's made.

MIM parts ARE "all steel." :rolleyes:

I mispelled "bar stock or cast" and forgot to add it back in, sorry.

:rolleyes:

marine 97-03
January 30, 2013, 11:59 AM
I will be picking one up next Thurs....CAN'T WAIT

mljdeckard
January 30, 2013, 12:04 PM
I have never had any kind of failure with an y MIM parts. If I had to replace my Kimber tomorrow, I would gladly look at the Spartan or the new Ruger.

smalls
January 30, 2013, 01:21 PM
I will be picking one up next Thurs....CAN'T WAIT

Congrats, what exactly did you get? You'll be happy with it.

And in the unlikely event that you're not, STI will bend over backwards to see that you are with their warranty and customer service.

I would gladly look at the Spartan or the new Ruger.

I can't wait to try out the new commander Ruger's putting out.

KAS1981
January 30, 2013, 09:25 PM
From STI:

The Spartan is manufactured in the Philippines by Armscor. All of the fire control components, and safeties are STI parts made in Texas. We ship the parts over there and they assemble and finish them. The guns then get shipped to the states where my guys inspect and test them before being shipped out to our customers. STI and Armscor both have their hands on the gun. This is our only model that we have this unique partnership with Armscor on. The gun has full STI support and warranty.

chris in va
January 30, 2013, 09:50 PM
If you're expecting all steel parts in a >$700 1911 you'll be sorely disappointed with your search results.

My CZ 97b is all forged steel and costs less than $700. There's nothing special about the 1911 platform to make them artificially more expensive.

Carter
January 30, 2013, 11:34 PM
My CZ 97b is all forged steel and costs less than $700. There's nothing special about the 1911 platform to make them artificially more expensive.

But isn't the CZ 97 horribly unreliable with hollow points? Or is that just miss information I've read...

chris in va
January 31, 2013, 01:46 AM
They modified the barrel a few years ago. It now has a longer feed ramp and throated chamber. Feeds HP fine now, provided it isn't a 'flying ashtray'.

ugaarguy
January 31, 2013, 08:53 AM
This may help as well -http://www.dawsonprecision.com/ProductDetail.jsp?LISTID=6DC0000-1161707138

9mmepiphany
January 31, 2013, 01:12 PM
Let's not drift too far from the OP.

This is a thread about the internal parts of the STI Spartan. If you'd like to discuss another gun, please start another thread

Carter
January 31, 2013, 09:58 PM
Thanks for the info.

I love my Spartan. The internals seem very nice and fit together nicely. Only thing I do not like is the finish. Its wearing off pretty rapidly with only moderate use in a serpa.

marine 97-03
February 1, 2013, 03:50 AM
Do they share the same parts as the trojan??

ljnowell
February 1, 2013, 04:06 AM
My brother bought one. I know they say that the parts are all STI parts, etc., but when we detail stripped his and mine, they are sure looked identical. I think that the difference he paid in price over mine wasnt really worth it, he agreed too.

Personally, I think its kinda crappy to the American worker that they would take a box of parts and ship it elsewhere so it can be shipped back here to be sold. Surely they could pay Americans to do the same thing?

marine 97-03
February 1, 2013, 04:34 AM
They could......but then they couldn't sell it for 700$.....

marine 97-03
February 1, 2013, 05:03 AM
I wonder at witch model do the internals change from or differ from the Spartan ?

Sam1911
February 1, 2013, 09:32 AM
Personally, I think its kinda crappy to the American worker that they would take a box of parts and ship it elsewhere so it can be shipped back here to be sold. Surely they could pay Americans to do the same thing?I've been reading a bit about globalization recently (Tom Friedman's The World Is Flat is a really interesting read...though exhaustively long) and it seems the picture is a lot more complicated than just "give those jobs to Americans." It is pretty easy to end up with a company benefiting the American worker MORE by putting some portion of the work flow overseas, than to hold everything here in the 'States and have to be a much less productive company employing FEWER workers here on balance.

That topic gets way outside our scope at THR, but it is worth studying if you're concerned with such issues.

ljnowell
February 1, 2013, 01:12 PM
I've been reading a bit about globalization recently (Tom Friedman's The World Is Flat is a really interesting read...though exhaustively long) and it seems the picture is a lot more complicated than just "give those jobs to Americans." It is pretty easy to end up with a company benefiting the American worker MORE by putting some portion of the work flow overseas, than to hold everything here in the 'States and have to be a much less productive company employing FEWER workers here on balance.

That topic gets way outside our scope at THR, but it is worth studying if you're concerned with such issues.


Its interesting reading for sure, but I agree, kinda out of our scope for THR.

9mmepiphany
February 1, 2013, 03:41 PM
I wonder at witch model do the internals change from or differ from the Spartan ?
Without having asked that specific question of the factory, it would be hard to give a definitive answer...it is part of the weakness of knowing a bit more than some about the 1911; you don't ask for answers that don't really make a difference.

However my experience with STI would lead me to believe that there isn't a model that differs or changes. It makes no economic sense to make different parts for the internals...especially for a modern manufacturing company using CNC machining.

What differs as you move up the model lines is the amount of hand fitting and finishing applied. I've handled and shot more than a couple of STI models over the last year and I could easily tell the difference in feel and operation between the Spartan and the Trojan.

marine 97-03
February 2, 2013, 10:18 PM
But for the price would you say the Spartan is a solid 1911

9mmepiphany
February 3, 2013, 12:17 AM
But for the price
...depends on what you mean by solid?

At less than $1000, I'd be more likely to go with a RIA Tactical and use the leftover money to add what I wanted.

I think the STI Trojan is the best value for dollars spent, and think it rivals the Dan Wesson CBOB

But my idea of what a 1911 should have, may very likely be different than yours

Dryft
February 3, 2013, 12:52 AM
What's inside the STI Spartan?


Bullets.


Hopefully I'm not the only one who thinks that's funny. :)

marine 97-03
February 3, 2013, 10:54 PM
What's inside the STI Spartan?


Bullets.


Hopefully I'm not the only one who thinks that's funny. :)

:rolleyes::rolleyes:

marine 97-03
February 4, 2013, 05:19 AM
MIM parts....



There are NO mim parts in the Spartan ..THEre EDM the good stuff

rollingradios
February 22, 2013, 10:03 AM
I had the STI SPartan V. Sold it and now own (2) Para Ordnance GI Experts. DEFINITELY IMO prefer the Para experts.

lono
February 24, 2013, 02:10 AM
Had a full size spartan for about 2 months lost $150 bucks from buying new to selling used. IMHO just not a great 1911, not accurate compared to any of the other 5 brands of 1911 I have owned.

tuj
February 24, 2013, 02:13 AM
My Spartan will hold 5" 10-shot groups with quality ammo at 50 yards from a rest. I don't know many 1911's under $1000 that will consistently do that. My Les Baer will hold 1.5" but that's a different league.

bds
February 24, 2013, 02:55 AM
My Spartan will hold 5" 10-shot groups with quality ammo at 50 yards from a rest. I don't know many 1911's under $1000 that will consistently do that.
How about 2.5" at 50 yards with sub $1000 Ruger SR1911? - http://www.1911addicts.com/showthread.php?982-Ruger-SR1911-Review

Or 1.5" at 25 yards? - http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=626373

tuj
February 24, 2013, 07:23 AM
How about 2.5" at 50 yards with sub $1000 Ruger SR1911?

JoeC (I'm guessing that's Mr. Chambers) did extensive mods to his Ruger. Mr. Chambers also said that most of his groups were around 5" at 50 yards.

- Corrected the guide rod to prevent it from hitting the barrel legs
- Corrected the mag catch to prevent it from hitting the mag follower
- Corrected the slide stop to prevent it from hitting rounds during feeding
- Corrected the frame feed ramp by widening, deepening and polishing it
- Corrected the ejection port by lowering it to approx .410” from the bottom of the slide
- Corrected the ejector nose angle for consistent ejection
- Corrected the extractor for both tension and nose position
- Corrected the link slot in the frame for proper clearance
- Corrected the grip screw bushing that were protruding into the frame
- Corrected the breech face for smoother feeding
- Corrected the barrel throat and polished it
- Crowned the barrel
- Welded and re-cut the barrel hood for a tolerance of less than .001” to the breech face
- Cut the chamber to a depth of .905” for best accuracy and reliability
- Replaced the bushing with a match fit MGW stainless bushing (you need a wrench to remove it)
- I.D. of bushing is .58125” O.D. of barrel is .58075” Total tolerance is .0005"
- Cut the Marvel Disconnector slot cut in the slide for smoother function
- Replaced the Ti firing pin with a steel EGW part
- Replaced the 20lb recoil spring with an 18lb Wolf
- Replaced the mainspring with a 23lb Wolf
- Replaced the link with one correctly dimensioned for the barrel legs
- Blended rear of slide, ejector, extractor to match the frame
- Complete trigger job with short roll set at 4lbs 2oz
o Sear at .765” oal
o Hammer hooks at .018”
o Disconnector at 1.3015”
o Corrected trigger bow in frame
o Tightened MSH to frame
o Corrected sear spring
o Corrected hammer strut

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