March on US capitol with Firearms and Bullets


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tacxted
January 29, 2013, 11:13 PM
Originally posted by bds
Over 127 and growing number of our Sheriffs declared/pledged Obama gun legislation will not be enforced - http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=698885

We have our rights to keep and bear arm under the Constitution which was supported by the US Supreme Court but our government wants to infringe on those rights.

Civil disobedience has worked successfully for various causes around the world. Is it time for gun owners?

This is the definition from Merriam-Webster - http://www.merriam-webster.com/dicti...20disobedience

I feel the time for civil disobedience is nearing.

Americans do not want to give up their guns, and one look at the united kingdom will encourage many not to.

But the time isnt right for civil disobedience.

I would like to see a massive gathering of armed Americans march onto the lincoln memorial and fill the national mall
with thousands of free Americans, and in one unified voice say, "we will not obey."

I would love to see that day. It would cement forever that Americans will keep their guns.
Originally Posted by Gun Wielding Maniac
A few hundred thousand New York gun owners marching with their AR's on Albany would end this in a day. Each one drops a bullet on the governers lawn. There's a "political statement".

Let them try to stop it...

Our ancestors had the sand. Why dont we?

This is exactly what needs to happen to dry up the seeds of tyranny that cumo has sprouted!
Its more than a statement, its a check mate on the political, moral and national chess board.

These were my responses to some posts over the last few days.
I feel a demonstraiton of the likes would change alot for America.

Is this even do-able?
Would it serve gun owners/freedom lovers in a positive way?
Has this ever happened in the history of America?
Is this even worth disscussing or is this just a unfulfillable fantasy of mine?

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tyeo098
February 1, 2013, 02:50 PM
Look what happened to the WW1 vets and their hoovervilles o.O

tacxted
February 1, 2013, 09:09 PM
Look what happened to the WW1 vets and their hoovervilles o.O
Care to explain? I honestly have no idea what your referring to.

Droid noob
February 1, 2013, 09:44 PM
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&tbo=d&site=&source=hp&q=hoover+ww1+vets&oq=Ww1+vets+hoo&gs_l=mobile-gws-hp.1.0.0i8i30l2.3287.10623.0.14908.13.12.0.1.1.0.404.2608.2j1j2j4j1.10.0.les%3B..0.0...1ac.1.2.mobile-gws-hp.UKzwP47_zI8#itp=open0

I think he's speaking of this incident. Never knew this happened. Interesting.

bobmcd
February 1, 2013, 09:52 PM
Thousands of WWI veterans came to DC to protest the government's failure to pay a promised bonus for their service overseas; they were run out of town by the Army.

http://www.eyewitnesstohistory.com/snprelief4.htm

hso
February 2, 2013, 02:18 PM
I feel the time for civil disobedience is nearing.


No

I would like to see a massive gathering of armed Americans march onto the lincoln memorial and fill the national mall

We've already had this discussion and the fact that it would do only harm to our cause was the conclusion. It is illegal to carry firearms in DC and it achieves nothing that an empty holster march wouldn't achieve without the negatives. It is also questionable as to how it would be covered and the coordination isn't there.

When a bill actually makes it out of committee AFTER we've put at least that much effort into opposing it through normal means and before the floor vote is to take place is when civil disobedience is appropriate.

MarshallDodge
February 2, 2013, 02:31 PM
While I like the idea, this will not do much for our cause. You have to stop and think for a moment. Will marching on DC with a firearm change the minds of those that are against us? Probably not, in fact it will probably backfire. The government will catch wind of what is happening and they will have armed resistance in place. Are you prepared for that?

Try some other tactics such as taking people that are on the fence to the shooting range. Show them how much fun it is to shoot an AR or an AK. Talk to your pro-gun friends and get them to write their representatives and join a pro-gun organization.

geekWithA.45
February 2, 2013, 03:00 PM
Something folks need to get real clear on, real quick:

The benefit of the doubt, and the presumption of peacefulness is traditionally extended to protest marches, which are traditionally unarmed.

The presumptions concerning armed formations are entirely different.

Armed formations marching into town are presumed to mean business, as in "call out the national guard to put down the insurrection."

War is not a game, it is not a parade, and you don't play war unless you mean it, any more than you'd wave your sidearm around in public.

Walkalong
February 2, 2013, 03:58 PM
Sorry, but this idea is way off base. What we need is cool heads fighting at the political level to defeat this proposed legislation. We need the common every day non gun owners to see us in a good light, and not coming off as angry and dangerous. That falls right into the antis hands.

bikerdoc
February 2, 2013, 04:07 PM
Open confrontation is what they want. Remember most of the media is there friend.
What they don't want is the constant pressure of letters, phone call, emails, and reasoned arguments be they public or private.
None in congress wants to be defeated and have to get a real job.

Guerrilla actions are better than open confrontations.

rjrivero
February 2, 2013, 04:16 PM
Thanks hso and walkalong.

bds
February 2, 2013, 04:41 PM
I think lobbying in Washington, lobbying for federal court judge positions and lobbying at the state levels may be the most effective ... so continue to donate/support the NRA.

The fact that 911/police can't help the home owners at the time of home invasion helps our argument as this fact will never change ... and may help expanded CCW permit issue ... I think some/most crimes rose from 2011 to 2012 in most metropolitan cities which will irritate antis as more people will be concerned with safety and decreased/lack of police protection. Know any police department that significantly increased their police force? I can't.

All the gun owners I know (family/friends/neighbors/coworkers) are so pissed right now they have all committed to attending future marches/protests, even to include driving several hours to the state capitol. We are keeping each other well informed via emails/texts ...Whenever we have a free moment, we write/email/call our law makers in calm/reasonable demeanor ... I love unlimited cellphone call/text plans! :D

We are introducing and helping train large number of new shooters to guns and our wives and female coworkers are involved in lessening the initial fear of guns. When women ( there's a public viewing room at the range) see a group of female shooters competently handle guns and having a good time, they readily approach them and ask ... "Of course we will help you. Come, we will show you how right now" :D. I have spent just about every weekend the past month train new shooters my family/friends/neighbors/coworker have referred and I make sure to tell them about the CCW process and supporting the NRA.

Art Eatman
February 2, 2013, 04:41 PM
And aside from anything else, WashDC's anti-gun laws prevented US Senator Ted Cruz of Texas from bringing an AR into the Capitol for a hearing so he could explain how they functioned. He had to use charts and pictures.

Best to maintain the pressure via card/letters/email/FAXes/phone.

MasterSergeantA
February 2, 2013, 04:45 PM
No



We've already had this discussion and the fact that it would do only harm to our cause was the conclusion. It is illegal to carry firearms in DC and it achieves nothing that an empty holster march wouldn't achieve without the negatives. It is also questionable as to how it would be covered and the coordination isn't there.

When a bill actually makes it out of committee AFTER we've put at least that much effort into opposing it through normal means and before the floor vote is to take place is when civil disobedience is appropriate.
Hear, hear! I could not agree more.

Al Thompson
February 2, 2013, 05:31 PM
Seriously? What a terrible idea! So far, we're winning. The gun grabbers are losing. While it sucks to be in one of the states that's trending away from the rest of the country, on a national level the pressure from the right is working.

beatledog7
February 2, 2013, 06:39 PM
So far, we're winning. The gun grabbers are losing

The antis are generally big-gov types; big-gov types are better at messaging and have an easier-to-sell message to begin with (free stuff trumps free-dom for an awful lot of people). They could be simply content to make us think we're winning. Vigilance!

Apple a Day
February 2, 2013, 07:36 PM
A few thousand people marching across D.C. with either empty holsters or an empty sling across their shoulders would be considered a political statement.Several k people marching ANYWHERE with rifles, let alone the nation's capitol would look like an attempt at a coup. There's no way a government would see it otherwise. If you're going to threaten then you'd better bloody well be sure you're ready for them to call your bluff.

I think you'd be a lot more sucessful if you got a few thousand people to hit a mexican buffet the night before, march onto the lawn, drop trou' and leave an opinion on the ground.

calaverasslim
February 2, 2013, 08:27 PM
yep, all of us carrying and marching on the Lincoln statue. Yep, Then Bang. one round goes offeither by accident or stupidity, and our position is set back 50 years

tacxted
February 2, 2013, 10:31 PM
Sorry, but this idea is way off base. What we need is cool heads fighting at the political level to defeat this proposed legislation. We need the common every day non gun owners to see us in a good light, and not coming off as angry and dangerous. That falls right into the antis hands.

I see now how a large gathering would be considered a coup. The antis would spin the "extremists that are dangerous" card and we would lose support and momentum needed to stop our rights from being taken.

Iím just tired of hearing the baseless proposals the antis keep putting forth as answers to problems which donít exist. In my frustration I think about some way to stop this blatant attack on my rights. I want to wave the Constitution in the air and ask if they remember what this paper is all about. To have them snap out of it and stop their misguided tirade on lawful Americans.

Writing letters, email, faxing, rallies, phone calls and teaching the ones-on-the-fence about the freedoms of firearm ownership, are the tools we need to stave of this wave of anti-gun-fanaticism.

I will keep writing, posting rally flyers and encouraging my pro gun friends to write our congressmen.

Thanks for keeping me in check THR.

DoubleMag
February 3, 2013, 09:37 AM
Same idea could be obtained with carrying say, straw brooms? Looking out the window of a Congressional office, and seeing thousands of strawbrooms, handle high up in air. Looks like ____?
Oh and don't forget to sweep every once and a while. :evil:Public service you know


''Cleaning DC from anti-RKBA, one march at a time'':)

Apple a Day
February 3, 2013, 09:43 AM
It's hard to be patient. It would feel good to DO something. We have to choose wisely, though. Our plans must be graceful, our movements precise. We need to play the long game.


write endless letters to congressmen
write letters to the newspapers
take friends to the range and introduce new shooters
be a gun owner, be visible, be upstanding, be level-headed, be an example that debunks everything the anti's say to demonize us.


Cheers,
Apple

JRH6856
February 3, 2013, 09:44 AM
Yeah, that's what we need in Washington...a clean sweep!

hso
February 3, 2013, 10:02 AM
I think that the OP has his answer.

DoubleMag
February 3, 2013, 10:28 AM
look fellow THRoaders we've been through all this before with this Administration.

They've ramrodded through everything the cowardly Repubicans would allow. And that's a lot!

...Remember ObamaCare. Yes, lots of letters, faxes, emails, phone calls. And I'd do it all again. Horse & Pony show hearings, then a rules change and a FINAL VOTE on the WEEKEND WHEN WE THE PEOPLE COULDNT EVEN CALL THE OFFICE.

God forbid they had to listen to the people. Might harm their conscience.

That's the measure of their resolve...hows about yours???

So yes seeing thousands and thousands of WE THE PEOPLE on marches is important. I gave up a day's pay and $40 in gas for FEB 8th

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