[Monkeyleg]

This may seem, well, unseemly, but somebody has to say it.

John Kerry was born, as was GW, to a wealthy family. He went to VietNam, got a whole bunch of medals faster than most other guys, left earlier than most other guys, and then came home to join the PeaceNik crowd.

Along the way, he managed to marry two women who both had personal fortunes that most of us could only dream of.

He's never had a real job, aside from his VietNam service. Yet he's one of the richest men in the US senate.

He proclaims to be "for the working man," yet he's never held a job.

He claims to be against "special interests," yet he's taken more money from special interest groups than almost any other senator.

He claims to understand the plight of the "average joe," while having never lived an "average" life.

All that's to be expected in politics. But what I find fascinating is that he's accumulated his wealth by marrying or sleeping with wealthy women. Nowhere on the internet can I find any record of him having earned any money on his own.

Critics of GW can say that he got some special treatment through his dad's connections. That's debatable.

What's not debatable is that John Kerry seems to have slept his way to wealth.

If you thought Bill Clinton was a slimeball, you're gonna love John Kerry. At least Clinton didn't use his trysts to line his own pockets.

I've got a really bad feeling about Kerry. Real bad.

[HBK]

Nice information. I have a bad feeling about Kerry too. Here's hoping Bush wins. If not...:uhoh:

[HBK]

Here's a corroborating source... http://www.anncoulter.com/columns/2004/012804e.htm

[J Jones]

He's never had a real job, aside from his VietNam service.

All 4 months of it, with a medal count Carlos Hathcock or any other hard-charger who really stuck his neck out would envy.

[treeprof]

I've only seen the man once in person, while I was waiting at a crosswalk in Georgetown with a coupla other people. He was driving a global-warming-causing SUV, cozying up all lovey-dovey with his passenger, not 10 ft in front of me. There is no mistaking that face of his - we all said in unison "hey, that's what's his name/John Kerry/that Senator", at which point he looked up at us, looked straight ahead, and took off a few seconds later when the light changed.

Now, I could not pick Theresa Heinz-Kerry out of a police line-up to save my life, but I do know that she is not a 20 yr. old blonde with a very, shall we say, "well-padded resume". If this girl was indicative of his taste in women, it is much better than Clinton's, I will grant him that.

[Drjones]

Interesting.

[Kharn]

He might have slept his way to wealth, but did you know he served in Vietnam?

:rolleyes:

Kharn

[Jonesy9]

He went to VietNam, got a whole bunch of medals faster than most other guys, left earlier than most other guys

and you heard that where? newsmax? coulter? are you referring to his first or second tour in Vietnam?

I also seem to remeber him being a prosecutor with the DA's office here for years. Prosecuting criminals is not a real job? But having ypour dad's friends set you up with board seats is?


He claims to be against "special interests," yet he's taken more money from special interest groups than almost any other senator.


LMAO- the rubes have been duped again. I find it funny that there is a whole sub culture dependent and making money of peddling lies to their paranoid followers. Kerry is 92nd out of 100 in taking special interest money. Bush has taken more special interest money in this cycle than Kerry did in 15 years. But one journalist prints some very wrong facts and the right seizes on it and repeats it until it becomes almost true knowing full well that most are too lazy to question a soundbite they heard let alone research it or read an opposing analysis.

Conservatives lie, it's what they do.

Without the lies , obfuscation and emotional manipulation it wouldn't be politics though would it LOL!

[Jonesy9]

before any one asks, I won't be defending Kerry as I'm not voting for him or Bush. I just find the level of misinformation on this thread both fascinating and horrifiying, but any one over 18 can vote. What a country!

[armoredman]

Kerry did ONE "half" tour of Nam. If you have info differanr, please post a link.

[12-34hom]

Please, never again mention Carlos Hathcock name in reference to John Kerry... ever.

Carlos Hathcock was a man of honor.

12-34hom. Thank you.

[Waitone]

Kerry facts as I've been told by media

--Kerry spent 4 months in country.
--During that time he was wounded 3 times
--during that time he was awarded bronze and silver star
--After his third wound he asked to be moved out of country, as was his privilege acording to SOP.
--He was assigned as an aide to some admiral in DC

I know nothing of a first or second tour by Kerry in Vietnam. Best I know is he was there 4 months, period.

Is there some deep dark conspiracy out there to black out part of Kerry's life?

[Waitone]

BTW, Kerry has a reputation as a ladies' man, the same kind of reputation as Chris Dodd and Ted Kennedy.

The only true aphrodisiac is a blend consisting of power and money. Kerry has both in quantity.

[TheEgg]

I looked up Kerry's service record at www.johnkerry.com/communities/veterans/service.html.

I guess you could say he served two "tours" in Vietnam as his ship the
"Gridley" was in Tonkin bay for a while, before he transferred out to Swift boats. (It was also in New Zealand and the Phillipines). He apparently saw no combat while on this ship (at least his bio does not mention any), and was not "in country".

People on both sides "spin" the facts for their own purposes.

I disagree with almost everything that Kerry stands for -- I think, for he DOES change positions with amazing speed -- but I see no evidence to attack him on his Vietnam service. All reliable evidence I have seen indicates that he served honorably and with courage, and followed all of the rules.

My problems with him begin AFTER his Vietnam service, when he seems to have been fatally infected with the political virus.

We should rise above the level of the professional politicians, who seem to behave worse than a room full of first-graders, and try to conduct our discussions without name calling --

Just because I am conservative, does not mean I am a liar, paranoid, or a "rube", nor do I apply these epithets to people who just happen to be liberal.

Jonesy9, if you cannot see that your disdain for a low level of political discourse should be directed at BOTH sides, you need to think again.

[Greg Bell]

Jonesy9,

You shouldn't go throwing stones in glass houses. John Kerry's second tour was as a leftist radical who slandered his fellow soldiers, threw his medals away at a rally(or someone else's depending on which of his stories you choose to believe), and writing books with a mock-Iwo Jima cover with hippies raising an upside-down flag.

Don't spread lies about Kerry serving two tours in Vietnam. It sounds like the pap the Democrats were spreading around Georgia about Max Cleland being crippled during battle. Both served, initially at least, honorably. There is no need to lie.


GHB

[Leatherneck]

are you referring to his first or second tour in Vietnam? C'Mon, man--get with the program! There was no "second tour." In fact, his four months hardly amounts to part of one tour, given that time to get into action and the time he spent "recuperating" from his "wounds" (and requesting early rotation home) would consume a month or so. War hero indeed.:barf:

TC
TFL Survivor

[clubsoda22]

He went to VietNam

unlike GW

got a whole bunch of medals

unlike GW

left earlier than most other guys

as opposed to GW, who's records of service, just like his police and driving records "mysteriously dissappeared"

and then came home to join the PeaceNik crowd

Probably did nearly as much drugs a GW

He's never had a real job

As opposed to GW, who's daddy got him all his jobs.

one of the richest men in the US senate.

I suppose GW's millions are chump change

He proclaims to be "for the working man,"

As does GW, though the second richest man in the world recently called BS

He claims to be against "special interests," yet he's taken more money from special interest groups than almost any other senator.

Yeah, and GW got all his money from a bake sale :rolleyes: I hear laura makes a mean rice krispie treat.

He claims to understand the plight of the "average joe," while having never lived an "average" life.

Sounds like GW.

Critics of GW can say that he got some special treatment through his dad's connections. That's debatable.

About as debatable as the "John Kerry = Whore" Theory

At least Clinton didn't use his trysts to line his own pockets.

Clinton had a thing for ugly women, kerry's women had a thing for an ugly guy....



Either way, screw Kerry and GW, i'm voting third party.

[J Jones]

Please, never again mention Carlos Hathcock name in reference to John Kerry... ever.

Kindly refrain from telling me what I should do.

That said, don't you find it interesting that Kerry got 3 purple hearts and a bronze and silver star, all in the space of 4 months when the only thing I can find for someone who demonstrated heroism on numerous occasions, like Gy. Sgt. Hathcock, over two tours of duty, is a silver star (probably unmentioned purple hearts too)?

Doesn't your BS meter go off even a little? Or are you too fixated on mentioning Kerry and Hathcock together to form a cogent thought?

[fix]

are you referring to his first or second tour in Vietnam?

I too would love to hear all about Kerry's second tour. Lemme guess. He was a SEAL? :rolleyes:

[Boats]

Kerry's "second tour" was as the original Mall Ninja--Capitol Mall that is, 1972, with Hanoi Jane and Vietnam Veterans Against the War.

I am sure that if George could have put himself in for medals, he'd have some too.:D

[Jonesy9]

Jonesy9, if you cannot see that your disdain for a low level of political discourse should be directed at BOTH sides, you need to think again.

agreed and it is. luckily one side is very seldom represented here so my disdain for them has fewer chances.

[MicroBalrog]

But what I find fascinating is that he's accumulated his wealth by marrying or sleeping with wealthy women.

And my problem with that should be?

got a whole bunch of medals

Around here, you only get lots of medals if you do BRAVE stuff.

Now, why didn't GW get any medals? RIGHT. Because he never did any of that brave stuff.

and then came home to join the PeaceNik crowd

Like Itzhak Rabin (war veteran, Nobel Peace Prize)?
Like Shimon Peres (ex-commander of the Israeli Navy, Nobel Peace Prize)?

Either way, he probably sucks, though.

[Monkeyleg]

Jonesy9, my apologies for having missed his stint as a prosecutor, even though that job seems to have been short-lived. But now I don't know which is worse: my mistaken notion that he never had a job, or the fact that he's a lawyer. ;)

GW's family connections definitely helped him get into the baseball business. However, it's well documented that he made the team successful by his own efforts. The fact that he had an oil business that failed doesn't bother me. Anyone who's ever tried to start their own business knows how risky the proposition is, and many who are now successful had at least one failed business in their pasts.

Kerry pretty much screams "insincerity." It's amazing to me that the Democrats couldn't find a better candidate. And I don't think this race is going to be as close as the media currently believes. Once the public gets a look at Kerry's voting record, I think Bush will slaughter him.

Once again, I volunteered for and voted for Bush in 2000, but I'm not a raving fan of him these days. I like him as a person, there are certain policies of his that are good, but the Patriot Act, Campaign Finance, the Medicare Prescription Drug bill and other legislation he's signed have ticked me off something fierce.

But Kerry would be the most liberal--in the worst sense of the word "liberal"--president we've had since Carter, or perhaps ever. And I think the country has moved very much to the right over the last several years.

There was no public outrage over the failure of Feinstein's AW bill to pass; only the media seems upset. 46 states are now legal for concealed carry, a notion that would have been shocking just ten years ago. A recent poll showed that 82% of Americans believe that the threat from terrorists is one of the most pressing issues facing the country--an issue that Kerry can and will lose on. The public will not stand for a repeal of Bush's tax cuts, which would amount to a de facto tax increase. Are there liberal strongholds where Kerry's message will resonate with strength? Certainly in the big cities, but I think that's about it.

The country is much different than it was in 1992, and Kerry's message is a Golden Oldie. I
wouldn't be surprised to see Joan Baez performing during his nomination at the Democrat convention.

Just my .02.

[clubsoda22]

What's gonna kill kerry is the fact that all us third party voters who would have voted for Dean are now gonna vote third party. True Independent voters vote for who they like, not the lesser of the two evils the major parties hand them.

Screw Kerry, Screw Bush, Screw Nader, i'm writing myself in for president.

[Destructo6]

LMAO- the rubes have been duped again. I find it funny that there is a whole sub culture dependent and making money of peddling lies to their paranoid followers. Kerry is 92nd out of 100 in taking special interest money.
Right, 92nd only if you could the other guy's donors as being "special interests." As in, "my donors are simply concerned citizen groups while yours are special interests."

What would be very interesting is to know who put Kerry in for his medals. If he were OIC of his boat, as the reports go, and there were no other boats in the area, then it would have been Kerry himself who made the recommendations. That doesn't go very far towards heroics, more toward glory hording and an eye for padding his resume.

It would also be interesting to read the actual write-ups for his various medals. Those should be public records, but I have yet to find any. Of course, the write-ups may or may not have anything to do with the awards given: I know mine were completely disassociated.

[Don Gwinn]

Abraham Lincoln and Ulysses S. Grant were both miserable failures early in life (almost everyone knows Grant was a drinker, fewer people know that Lincoln was a terrible postman and helped a partner run a general store into the ground. Took him many years after his start as a lawyer to pay off the debts, but pay them he did.)

OK, so one of them was a miserable failure as a President, too. The point is that no one would have predicted their futures based on where they were when they turned 30.

Any more name-calling or other foolishness will close this thread with no questions asked.

[GunWares]

Gwinn, you surely don't intend to compare Kerry with the likes of Abraham Lincoln and Ulysses S. Grant, do you? Neither of those great men ended up being a 60 year-old lying, immoral gigolo, did they? Oh crap, I just indulged in "name-calling or other foolishness". :rolleyes: