Opinion: Proposed AWB bans ALL guns with a grip


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radiotom
January 31, 2013, 05:22 PM
http://www.wnd.com/2013/01/feinsteins-plan-bans-any-gun-with-a-grip/

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izhevsk
January 31, 2013, 05:25 PM
Yeah, that's not gonna fly.

JFrame
January 31, 2013, 05:37 PM
I guess Feinstein's approach is to seem as crazy as possible, so that anything else will seem "reasonable" and "common sense" by comparison.

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rdhood
January 31, 2013, 06:13 PM
From the article...
“‘Pistol grip’ means … any … characteristic that can function as a grip.”

Basically, the author interprets this as: if you can hold it (you have to grip it to hold it ), it's illegal.

If this passes (it wont) ... great news. Either this part will be thrown out by the courts (as being too vague or overly broad, thus banning all guns), or the whole thing will be thrown out.

Manco
January 31, 2013, 08:15 PM
Either this part will be thrown out by the courts (as being too vague or overly broad, thus banning all guns), or the whole thing will be thrown out.

Just keep in mind that at least four of the current Supreme Court justices would heartily approve of such a law--without a shred of doubt.

gdcpony
January 31, 2013, 08:19 PM
If I read it right, thumbhole stocks are "pistol grips." So My Mausers, and H&R Ultra-Slugger are both banned along with my daughter's 10/22 and my AR's. Yippie! I will be a felon soon! And my other daughter wants a thumbhole on her bolt guns, but is a lefty. A family crime syndicate for you!

goldie
January 31, 2013, 08:30 PM
That frankenstein needs to cool it, this is just getting more sickening by the day.:barf:

Kynoch
January 31, 2013, 08:30 PM
If I read it right, thumbhole stocks are "pistol grips." So My Mausers, and H&R Ultra-Slugger are both banned along with my daughter's 10/22 and my AR's. Yippie! I will be a felon soon! And my other daughter wants a thumbhole on her bolt guns, but is a lefty. A family crime syndicate for you!

No need for interpretation. Thumbhole stocks are specifically banned in Feinstein's proposed bill.

mgmorden
January 31, 2013, 08:32 PM
If I read it right, thumbhole stocks are "pistol grips." So My Mausers, and H&R Ultra-Slugger are both banned along with my daughter's 10/22 and my AR's. Yippie! I will be a felon soon! And my other daughter wants a thumbhole on her bolt guns, but is a lefty. A family crime syndicate for you!

Well, not exactly. The weapon has to be semi-automatic and have the naughty features. Manually operated or single-shot guns can have pistol grips, barrel shrouds,and all the other "bad" stuff. This is partly why during the last AWB why the pump-shotgun customizing took off. As long as it was on a pump you could add whatever you wanted.

col.lemat
January 31, 2013, 08:42 PM
My pistol has a pistol grip

OptimusPrime
January 31, 2013, 08:55 PM
All my old GI Joes have Kung-fu grips.

beatledog7
January 31, 2013, 08:57 PM
I'd have a hard time shooting accurately any gun without a grip, and so would anyone else. That's the sort of gun that should be banned.

mgmorden
January 31, 2013, 09:30 PM
My pistol has a pistol grip

A pistol grip is only listed as a prohibited feature for a rifle, not a pistol.

I completely understand rallying against the legislation guys, but we need to be educated about what it actually says to look competent when we argue against it.

cambeul41
January 31, 2013, 09:35 PM
I guess Feinstein's approach is to seem as crazy as possible, so that anything else will seem "reasonable" and "common sense" by comparison.

I suspect that you are a pretty good guesser.

LubeckTech
January 31, 2013, 09:43 PM
A pistol grip is only listed as a prohibited feature for a rifle, not a pistol.

I completely understand rallying against the legislation guys, but we need to be educated about what it actually says to look competent when we argue against it.
AMEN!!!

It is better to remain silent and be thought dumb than speak and remove all doubt.
I'm not saying you should not express your opinion because it is important to speak up. BUT when you THINK you know what a piece of legislation says ask your self "how do I KNOW that is what it says??" The devil is in the details. Our opposition wants to make us look like a bunch of backwards, ignorant rubes & wackos and will exploit any honest mistakes on our part toward that end.

joeschmoe
January 31, 2013, 09:45 PM
Just keep in mind that at least four of the current Supreme Court justices would heartily approve of such a law--without a shred of doubt.
Just keep in mind that they will never get the chance to vote on it again. (even if by some miracle it passed) SCOTUS does not hear cases on issues they have already settled. This would be struck down by lower courts and never heard from again. DOA.

Tinman357
January 31, 2013, 09:50 PM
Didn't these twit congress persons swear an oath to "uphold and defend the Constitution" ? Doesn't introducing laws like this stand as an act of treason?

Or at the very least a call for failure to uphold an oath of office?

:banghead:

BHP FAN
January 31, 2013, 09:54 PM
yes. They should automatically lose the plush jobs they hold whenever they introduce such legislation .

armoredman
January 31, 2013, 10:13 PM
Therefore Hughes Electric Chain Guns are completely OK if semi-auto only, one sot per push of the button...
Yes, it is meant to fail AND distract from the real objectives, such as separate magazine bans which will seem tame in comparison, and this years Holy Grail, the Universal Registrat...I mean Background Check...

browningguy
January 31, 2013, 10:30 PM
Exactly as JFrame mentioned. The plan is to put up a law that has zero chance of seeing the light of day in the house. This allows the western state senate dems to vote against it to "show they support the 2nd amendment". Then they put in a law to ban high cap mags and most assault rifles and the western dems can claim they voted for it since it was the least obtrusive and most reasonable approach to gun control.

Crash_Test_Dhimmi
January 31, 2013, 11:18 PM
Wait a second guys, lets not get all wrapped around the axle on what is banned or who is a felon all of a sudden. I found an overlooked loophole in the Constitution, it says "Shall not be infringed", it seems our elected representatives missed this one, which can be the only reason why they are proposing such bat mess crazy legislation

radiotom
February 1, 2013, 07:12 AM
AMEN!!!

It is better to remain silent and be thought dumb than speak and remove all doubt.
I'm not saying you should not express your opinion because it is important to speak up. BUT when you THINK you know what a piece of legislation says ask your self "how do I KNOW that is what it says??" The devil is in the details. Our opposition wants to make us look like a bunch of backwards, ignorant rubes & wackos and will exploit any honest mistakes on our part toward that end.
I think this is turning into another "you have to pass the bill to find out what's in it" deal.

That said, I don't think they are gonna even vote on this though. It's gonna die early and they'll come back with a "compromise" that includes more background checks, 10 round magazine limit, and possibly trying to ban certain types of rifles (AR/AK/etc). Just my two cents...

19-3Ben
February 1, 2013, 07:18 AM
I have to admit. After being bombarded with the proposed bans for the last month and a half, I just had a good laugh.
I'm already burned out on this stuff and then this comes out... Maybe I'm punch drunk from not getting enough sleep last night but... really? I mean... anything with a grip?

I love it. Comedy writers couldn't come up with material this good.

Pilot
February 1, 2013, 07:37 AM
A common strategy in negotiating is to ask for things you really don't expect to get in order to use them as give aways during the negotiation. Starting with an extreme position is evidence of this strategy. This way you can be seen as giving "concessions" and bargaining in good faith when you are actually just giving up your throw aways. Subsequently, you opponent has public pressure to give something up in order to be perceived as bargaining in good faith.

A proper response to an absurd position in negotiating is to counter with something equally or more extreme. I would counter Feinstein's Bill with a repeal of GCA 1968 and NFA 1934 prior to the start of any real negotiations on her bill.

Zeke/PA
February 1, 2013, 08:12 AM
If it's any consolation,Feinstein's actions are her reaction to past Political Adgenda and hopes being squashed by the "Gun Culture" and their power at the Polling Places nationwide.
Congressional majorities have many times been decided by a candidates views on Gun Control.

beatledog7
February 1, 2013, 09:34 AM
Probably is political trickery. Gives senators a way to look pro-2A then later become "reasonable." Problem is, in politics there is no reasoning going on beyond politicians reasoning out how they can retain and grow their power over the citizenry.

mgmorden
February 1, 2013, 12:57 PM
That said, I don't think they are gonna even vote on this though. It's gonna die early and they'll come back with a "compromise" that includes more background checks, 10 round magazine limit, and possibly trying to ban certain types of rifles (AR/AK/etc). Just my two cents...

I don't think the 10-round limits is gonna fly. I personally see that as being more controversial than any other part of the AWB. Just about everyone who owns so called "assault weapons" own such magazines, plus the majority of handgunners do too. You're looking at a law that affects a significant chunk of gun owners.

I've already seen video where the chairman of the Senate committee discussing the issue already stated that under the SCOTUS Heller decision, a limit on 10-rounds was "clearly unconstitutional" because magazines of up to 19 rounds were in common use for handguns.

John3921
February 1, 2013, 02:05 PM
If anybody does facebook there is a 'Ban Dianne Feinstein' facebook page now. They have some good ones by dear dianne there.

http://www.facebook.com/#!/BanFeinstein

Ryanxia
February 1, 2013, 02:22 PM
Remember to write your representatives! Keep your voices heard.

No compromise. The infringement of our freedoms ends here.

gunsandreligion
February 1, 2013, 02:31 PM
I guess sten guns are in the clear.

theotherwaldo
February 1, 2013, 03:51 PM
Look.
The whole point of this is NOT to ban guns. That would cost too much in the political arena.
No, the point is to paint their political opponents as supporters of soulless would-be felons that hate children.
If you haven't noticed, the politicians that are leading this charge are the usual New York/California types that wouldn't be hurt even if this set of laws were passed.
This law isn't supposed to pass, it's supposed to distract and discredit the Conservatives.

Manco
February 1, 2013, 08:46 PM
This law isn't supposed to pass, it's supposed to distract and discredit the Conservatives.

It's the gun culture they're after, not necessarily conservatives (although the correlation is substantial, of course)--first demonize guns, then demonize and marginalize those who support the right to keep and bear arms. I thought the PC crowd was supposed to be dead-set against bigotry, but that's what we're talking about here--making guns politically INcorrect serves to taint gun rights advocates, and effectively sanctions bigotry against us. Maybe that's the angle we should take, that anti-gunners are closed-minded and are prejudiced against guns and those who lawfully use them to protect themselves and their precious children.

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