Sig P226 or HK USP


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zhd
January 31, 2013, 11:19 PM
Always had Glocks. Shot an HK USPC 9mm and loved it. How does the HK compare with a Sig P226? Leaning HK at this point.:banghead: Thx

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hAkron
January 31, 2013, 11:29 PM
They are both premium guns. Which Sig P226 were you looking at? The Used P226s, especially the older German ones are a great value, and arguably better than the newer style. They aren't usually very pretty though.

fehhkk
January 31, 2013, 11:32 PM
I have a couple P226's and a couple HKs (an HK45 and a USP45 compact). The triggers on the Sigs are nicer. The machining on the HKs slide is simply one of the best. Makes a Glock slide look like an unfinished block of steel.

The HKs seem to have a little better quality feel to them. The HK magazines are better built, especially comparing them to the US made Checkmates.

PGT
January 31, 2013, 11:34 PM
you should also look at the HK P30. I'm juggling the same decision at the moment. I really want a Sig Mk25TB (USN version of the P226) but people are being silly with auction prices right now ($1500) when they could be had for $900 last month.

Sergei Mosin
January 31, 2013, 11:46 PM
Fine guns both of them and you really can't go wrong. As to specific features - the P226 is heavier, but all metal; the USP is lighter and has a polymer frame. In my opinion, the SIG trigger is better; I find the H&K DA trigger to be particularly bad. When it comes to carry, the most commonly found version of the USP can be carried in Condition One (cocked & locked) or decocked, as you prefer. There are several other versions as well. The P226 (outside of a new SAO version) has only a decocker, no safety.

I'm happy to have both a SIG (P6) and a USP (.45) in my collection.

BILLG
January 31, 2013, 11:50 PM
I prefer the 226.

TCBPATRIOT
February 1, 2013, 12:12 AM
Sig gets my vote. HK while also a great tool just don't fit my grand that well

rtz
February 1, 2013, 12:33 AM
Get them both if you can.

Get a SIG CPO? Get both the HK and SIG used?

Get SIG 220, 226, and 229.

HK P2000 or P30 in 9mm, USP in 40, and a HK 45.

And don't stop there. You need at least 40-60 handguns for your collection(to start). Then order ammo by the pallet.

usp9
February 1, 2013, 08:30 AM
My opinion is purely personal, as it involves ergonomics. I own both HKs and Sigs, and have always prefered the HK grip and control design on the major caliber guns. Either brand are top tier quality wise, but HK seems to be easier for me to use.

CPshooter
February 1, 2013, 09:31 AM
Gosh, that is seriously a difficult decision to make! I have a Sig P229 .40 (CPO gun without the rail up front) and absolutely love it. Although it has never failed and I trust it fully, an H&K is still an H&K. They are the epitome of a reliable combat handgun IMHO. I've owned a few and I'm currently on the lookout for a USP .45.

That being said, I will need to find myself a nice CPO P226 9mm (without a rail :-) ) to go with my P229. They are fantastic guns, but I would never buy one of the newer Sigs. Everything about the new Sig Sauer is :barf: .

FIVETWOSEVEN
February 1, 2013, 12:06 PM
I would go with a SIG if I had to pick between the two. Nothing about the HK impresses me and they have one of the worst DA triggers on the USP. I don't really have any complaints about the SIG other than it's bulky but so is the USP.

allaroundhunter
February 1, 2013, 12:08 PM
I personally prefer the Sig and would take one over an HK any day.

However, if you like the HK, then that really is all that matters. Don't talk yourself out of a quality gun (that you like) because some other guys prefer something else. That HK would serve you just as long as the Sig and will not do anything less than the Sig.

CharlieDeltaJuliet
February 1, 2013, 02:16 PM
Hmmm, tough one. I carry a Sig P220R for my CCW. I would probably give the upper hand to Hk. Two reasons. I love the grip and feel of the Hk USP better, and I have dealt with the customer service of both companies, Hk, hands down has the VERY best customer service I have ever seen. I would gladly trade my P220 for a USP if I could find one locally. Just an old man's $0.02 and take it for what it's worth, an opinion...

wojownik
February 1, 2013, 02:56 PM
I prefer the Sig over the HK as well, but because they feel right to me. So best I could advise is just to try them both out at a range, if you have not done so already, or at least fondle them at your LGS. Both are excellent products.

Old Dog
February 1, 2013, 03:29 PM
You should also think about parts availability and service. SIG service is second to none, they have their plant in the U.S., and parts are readily available (I get SIG parts to me in my mailbox two days after I order them!)

H&K USP -- my former duty pistol. Yech. Horrible ergonomics, feel like a brick in the hand. Good luck getting parts! (main reason we switched to another pistol) Good luck with the service! (the other reason we switched to another pistol)

FIVETWOSEVEN
February 1, 2013, 06:16 PM
You should also think about parts availability and service. SIG service is second to none, they have their plant in the U.S., and parts are readily available (I get SIG parts to me in my mailbox two days after I order them!)

I work next door to one of HK's US plants in NH. They are here too. I do believe they make their newer pistols and rifles there.

CTGunner
February 1, 2013, 07:50 PM
I don't have a 226 but I have owned one and now own a 229. A stock 226 is a good gun. A 226 or 229 elite is a fantastic gun. I believe there is a difference. Between a 226 and HK - either one. 226 Elite or HK I say the Sig wins.

https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-SD4Wzr0GZWU/UQxUmpwYaII/AAAAAAAAAaU/sz2ztWgEAFw/s912/Sig%2520P229%2520Elite%2520Solo.JPG
https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-Cd9KyC9w9wc/UQxVD7GBsbI/AAAAAAAAAag/SfKgICIJ7MY/s912/Sig%2520P226%2520E2.JPG

Do you see what I mean :)

Oh but don't get me wrong - I still want to add an HK to the collection at some point. Probably a .45.

tomrkba
February 1, 2013, 08:18 PM
No contest: buy both.

zhd
February 1, 2013, 10:10 PM
Thanks for all the insight. Went with the HK USP today. Pleased with the decision. Now, my next chase is going to be the Sig.:evil:

Sergei Mosin
February 1, 2013, 11:20 PM
Well done! Which particular H&K did you buy?

zhd
February 1, 2013, 11:42 PM
USP 9mm full size 2 15rnd mags black on black

Sergei Mosin
February 2, 2013, 12:01 AM
A solid choice. That was one of the candidates I considered before I decided I just had to have the .45 instead.

GE-Mini-Gun
February 2, 2013, 07:34 AM
Long story short...years back I loaded a bunch of 40 S&W too light, the H&K would cycle and the Sig wouldn't. Some of the brass ejected literally rolled down the back of my hand.

el Godfather
February 2, 2013, 08:39 AM
I have usp and 226 Elite.
As much as i like usp, elite is much better in grip, trigger and accuracy.
Cant say much about plain 226.

zhd
February 2, 2013, 09:02 AM
Since buying the full size USP, I think now I'll go with a sub compact Sig. What is the overall consensus best on a subcompact Sig 9mm, strictly a CCW gun. Like I said in my first post, I've always owned Glocks and wheel guns. Looking to broaden my horizons. I am doing my research on Sig but you guys are better research than any book or manufacturers website. Thx in advance. Looking for subcompact Sig that carries the most rounds (double stack) if that is out there?

CPshooter
February 2, 2013, 10:12 AM
The ONLY Sig 9mm I'd buy for carry is the P239. I wouldn't gamble my money on one of Sig's newer offerings. Like I said before, they aren't the same company that they used to be.

If you want a dedicated concealed carry 9mm, check out the Walther PPS. Walther makes some fantastic pistols as well that are easily on the same level as Sig/H&K in terms of quality and reliability. The PPS, P99, and PPQ are excellent guns and don't let anyone tell you otherwise.

Pics never hurt, right?

http://i110.photobucket.com/albums/n106/TonyG749/photo8-1_zps3e9561a9.jpg

HKGuns
February 2, 2013, 10:48 AM
I thought he already bought the USP. (Good choice btw)

CPshooter
February 2, 2013, 11:16 AM
He did, but OP now wants a new carry 9mm. Just offering up a suggestion.

Sergei Mosin
February 2, 2013, 06:47 PM
SIG's only P-series subcompact is the P224. 11+1 in 9mm. The P239 (and its predecessor the P225/P6) is larger but holds only 8+1 in 9mm.

I like my P6, but I don't carry it. It's an early P6 though and may not feed hollowpoints - never tried - but I didn't buy it for carry so it doesn't matter to me. I think the P6/P225/P239 family is pretty big relative to its capacity and if I were to carry a 9mm I might choose something that holds a few more rounds.

PGT
February 2, 2013, 08:03 PM
P290 is a subcompact

http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2010/10/sig_p_290-tfb.jpg

zhd
February 3, 2013, 10:48 PM
Found a P226 MK25 and went ahead and took the plunge. Glad I did. Love the gun so far. Ran about 150 rnds through both my new HK and Sig. Both quality and reliability. I give the edge to the Sig though now due to a much smoother trigger pull. Also the gun is slightly heavier and the felt recoil is greatly less than the HK. Could not get over how much less the P226 MK25 recoil was compared to the HK USP.

PGT
February 3, 2013, 11:55 PM
where did you find it and how much? they're going for silly money on GB.

inkinskin
February 4, 2013, 11:11 AM
Go buy both because your conscience will still be questioning your desicion after you make it. Also, go check out a Sig SP2022, in my opinion that model is more comparable to an HK. The FN FNX or FNP are in that same ballpark as well as far as quality and standards. Just buy them all that way you wont be dis satisfied lol.


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PGT
February 4, 2013, 11:43 AM
I found a Mk25 this morning on GB for a low BIN so I snagged it. I also have an Inox 92FS on the way. I think my USGI 9mm buying binge is done. :D

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