My goodness, how do they not see....


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BP44
February 1, 2013, 01:49 AM
My goodness how do our own firearms owners not see that if we give into one more anti gun scheme we will be heading down the slippery slope that is gun registration/confiscation.:banghead:

Let's just say that they outlaw 30rnd mags, it already happened ('94 AWB) and it didn't get the results that they were after yet they still press the point of hi cap mags. Couldn't we all agree that if they outlaw 30rnd mags and a shooter uses 10 rnd mags to commit a felony they will further restrict the capacity. ?????? Will your double barrel be safe? How about your garand?

Also the universal gun registration is a total joke (IMHO), if we lay down more laws it will only be an inconvenience to the folks who follow the law. The biggest issue is total registration of firearms which can and will be used for firearms confiscation at some point. Call me crazy if you will but simply look at the past, history simply does not lie and it is doomed to repeat it's self.

Sorry if I stated the obvious and blathered on and on, I hate to see the "gun guy" thats fine with new rules because they simply don't know any better. The way I see it is if we keep bending we will break...

As I have said for years, one link at a time out of a dogs chain and he won't fight until he is pinned to the ground helpless.

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slamfirev10
February 1, 2013, 02:00 AM
the left are masters at incrementalism

MadMonkey
February 1, 2013, 02:23 AM
I will never understand how a thirty-round mag is so much more deadly than a ten-round mag, given how quickly mag changes can be accomplished...that's part of the design after all. Once again it seems we're into the realm of scary-looking accessories.

I'll admit, I don't understand the opposition to universal background checks. I would think that verification of a person's legal status would be a good idea. I personally believe it to be a ridiculous idea because it's completely unenforceable. How is anyone going to regulate a sale between me and my uncle...unless registration plays a part?

Am I looking at this from the wrong angle?


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holdencm9
February 1, 2013, 02:35 AM
Go to wikipedia's page for "slippery slope" and a few paragraphs down click the link for Eugene Volokh's Mechanisms of the Slippery Slope. Good read.

medalguy
February 1, 2013, 02:38 AM
Look at New York. They restricted mags to 10 rounds, and now Cuomo has decreed that ten rounds is too much, so they have a seven round limit now. When will they go to three or maybe two rounds?

Once the camel has his nose under the tent there's no stopping him.

BP44
February 1, 2013, 02:52 AM
Medalguy, this is exactly what I am saying.

Look at our full auto, suppressors, and AOW's. We have to register a safety item that protects our hearing and functions as the perfect muzzle crown (silencers) because.......? not many folks care about these things as they see no use for them and now it's knocking on the door of hi cap mags once again. Please don't budge a fraction of an inch.

Texasrpbrock
February 1, 2013, 03:03 AM
Well Deputy Barney Fife only carried one bullet.... In his pocket, and Mayberry never had any problems. Then again Barney never had gangs, rapiests, and crack heads, drug dealers or career criminals in Mayberry. I think Opie stole some candy one time though....

In other words, I call B.S. on giving in! I'm getting a little older and wiser and not willing to take my freedoms lightly. I want to have the right to carry the amount of ammo I see necessary to protect my family, myself, etc. Mayberry is kind of like the last Dodo, it doesn't exist in our society anymore. Education is the key.

BP44
February 1, 2013, 03:11 AM
Mayberry sounds nice right about now...... It's just to bad we live in a world where people kill, harm, and abuse those that can't defend themselves.

A gun does not make you a god, it prevents others from acting like one.

Kiln
February 1, 2013, 04:19 AM
Despite having the highest civilian firearm ownership rate in the world, we have some of the most ignorant and down right stupid individuals when it comes to guns living right here in America.

People believe whatever they're told to believe. Especially those who watch network news religiously.

FROGO207
February 1, 2013, 05:18 AM
The population of the USA is essentially lazy today compared to a generation or two ago. With that comes a big dose of apathy about many issues. The attitude seems to be "I don't need these items/skills so why should I bother learn about them.". This in turn causes more and more people to sequester themselves in their homes for perceived safety from the violent world around them making them willing prisoners, especially in the larger metropolitan areas. Then they watch the TV or get on the computer to escape their dull existence. This opens the door to brainwashing the consumer to whatever the media of choice chooses address as an issue over time (with .gov approval). SAD.:banghead: YMMV

BigN
February 1, 2013, 05:58 AM
apathy in many gun owners (which actually means BELIEF in what the gov is saying) and self-serving politicians, both republicans and democrats.

beatledog7
February 1, 2013, 10:19 AM
When government replaces God, followers don't question it; they simply bow to it.

hogshead
February 1, 2013, 10:28 AM
Mad Monkey "I'll admit, I don't understand the opposition to universal background checks. I would think that verification of a person's legal status would be a good idea. I personally believe it to be a ridiculous idea because it's completely unenforceable. How is anyone going to regulate a sale between me and my uncle...unless registration plays a part?"

Registration is the goal dont be fooled. So many people even on this forum have the same sentiments as you. Thats why this is so dangerous. If they pass ubc registration is next. Ray Charles could see that. Yet there are so many on here who say they support it. Blind sheeple. If you wanna get a bgc go to your local ffl and get one.
Once again I will say it. The libs want all your guns. All of them.They will do everything they can to get them. Dont give them an inch.

JustinJ
February 1, 2013, 10:34 AM
When government replaces God, followers don't question it; they simply bow to it.

I prefer as little as possible of either.

jamesbeat
February 1, 2013, 11:05 AM
Go to wikipedia's page for "slippery slope" and a few paragraphs down click the link for Eugene Volokh's Mechanisms of the Slippery Slope. Good read.
Such a good read in fact that I thought I'd copy and paste that section here:

Eugene Volokh's Mechanisms of the Slippery Slope analyzes various types of such slippage. Volokh uses the example "gun registration may lead to gun confiscation" to describe six types of slippage:

Cost-lowering: Once all gun owners have registered their firearms, the government will know exactly from whom to confiscate firearms. Gun-control opponents argue against limits on the sale of "assault weapons" because the confiscation of sportsmen's shotguns will soon follow. Meanwhile, government officials defend their inflexible enforcement of a regulation, even in circumstances that some see as unfair, because allowing an exception would open the floodgates.
Legal rule combination: Previously the government might need to search every house to confiscate guns, and such a search would violate the Fourth Amendment to the United States Constitution. Registration would eliminate that problem.
Attitude altering: People may begin to think of gun ownership as a privilege rather than a right, and thus regard gun confiscation less seriously.
Small change tolerance, colloquially referred to as the "boiling frog": People may ignore gun registration because it constitutes just a small change, but when combined with other small changes, it could lead to the equivalent of confiscation.
Political power: The hassle of registration may reduce the number of gun owners, and thus the political power of the gun-ownership bloc.
Political momentum: Once the government has passed this gun law it becomes easier to pass other gun laws, including laws like confiscation.




We've seen this happen already in several countries, the UK and Australia being two pertinent examples.

MadMonkey
February 1, 2013, 10:14 PM
Yeah, that's actually the main reason I can't see a UBC working. While I don't see the issue with making sure I'm not selling to a felon or other irresponsible type, the only way the law becomes enforceable is through registration. That's a deal breaker every day.


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beatledog7
February 1, 2013, 10:22 PM
I prefer as little as possible of either.

And I respect that. Most people do look to a higher power, a deity, if you will, in some form. Too many Americans see the federal government in that role, and that is a major factor in our current situation.

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