Death by a thousand cuts? - Now Minnesota


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usmarine0352_2005
February 1, 2013, 04:26 AM
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It may not be the Federal laws we have to worry about. City by City, State by State we could be losing our rights.


Now in Minnesota.




http://www.startribune.com/politics/statelocal/189308661.html



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Minn. gun bills include proposals to keep guns away from kids

Article by: JIM RAGSDALE , Star Tribune

Updated: February 1, 2013 - 12:22 AM


A ban on certain assault-style weapons and high-capacity ammunition magazines, tighter background checks and measures to keep guns out of the hands of felons are among the solutions legislators are looking at in the wake of a series of high-profile shootings across the country.

House and Senate DFLers on Thursday proposed bills that would expand background checks to the purchase of all pistols and semiautomatic weapons -- including those sold at gun shows or between private parties. The manufacture and sale of some assault weapons and ammunition clips would be banned, and measures would be taken to prevent guns from being sold or given to felons who cannot legally buy or possess firearms.

Other proposals would make it tougher for felons to get gun rights restored and would more severely punish permit-holders if they carry weapons in prohibited areas.

The assault-weapons and large-capacity magazine bans, considered harder to pass than expanded background checks, will be sponsored in the House by Rep. Alice Hausman, DFL-St. Paul. She said she is concerned about the disparity in gun deaths in the U.S. compared with other developed countries.
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Lex Luthier
February 1, 2013, 07:38 AM
We gotta stick together brother. I almost threw up when Franken got elected. Dayton is inebriated half the time. Perhaps it's the cabin fever syndrome that creates so many DFLers and makes them so scared of personal responsibility.

HoosierQ
February 1, 2013, 07:43 AM
What is a DFL?

Grassman
February 1, 2013, 07:45 AM
Don't we already have this?

"measures would be taken to prevent guns from being sold or given to felons who cannot legally buy or possess firearms.":banghead::banghead::banghead::banghead::banghead::banghead::banghead::banghead::banghead::banghead::banghead:

beatledog7
February 1, 2013, 08:17 AM
...keep guns out of the hands out of the hands of felons...

There is a way to do this that has no ill effect on the responsible gun owner: keep felons locked up. Done and done.

psyopspec
February 1, 2013, 08:35 AM
What is a DFL?

The Minnesota Democratic–Farmer–Labor Party (DFL) is a major political party in the state of Minnesota and the state affiliate of the Democratic Party.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Minnesota_Democratic%E2%80%93Farmer%E2%80%93Labor_Party

hi-tower
February 1, 2013, 09:14 AM
Does anyone have a link or place to go in MN to find the actual submissions so we can write the law makers? They make it easy for the national stuff but not the local stuff. I want to have my voice heard on this and other proposed laws but do not know where to go and do that. I have searched but have not found a place that lists them out in one easy place. Maybe that is what they want. Thanks.

Al Thompson
February 1, 2013, 09:15 AM
It may not be the Federal laws we have to worry about. City by City, State by State we could be losing our rights.

Seriously? Perhaps where you live (get active in local politics). Otherwise, where we are winning is where we live. Look at the number of states that now have shall issue concealed weapons permits. Twenty years ago, the number was a small fraction. :cool:

We are winning the war, but wars have many battles. ;)

jbrown50
February 1, 2013, 09:23 AM
Don't we already have this?

"measures would be taken to prevent guns from being sold or given to felons who cannot legally buy or possess firearms.":banghead::banghead::banghead::banghead::banghead::banghead::banghead::banghead::banghead::banghead::banghead:
Yes.

18 USC 922 (d) 1 - 9.

Yesterday, I had to actually show it to an anti before she would believe it.

Ryanxia
February 1, 2013, 09:42 AM
Seriously? Perhaps where you live (get active in local politics). Otherwise, where we are winning is where we live. Look at the number of states that now have shall issue concealed weapons permits. Twenty years ago, the number was a small fraction. :cool:

We are winning the war, but wars have many battles. ;)
While you're right, one battle (a Sandy Hook induced packet of Bills) could easily turn the tide of the whole war.

mnhntr
February 1, 2013, 10:51 AM
11 bills in committee right now. It is your time to call and email your Reps and let them know you will not tolerate these bills being passed. Most will not make it out of committee but theres always a chance they will. If you can please show up to the public hearings at the capitol on the 5th and 7th of this month to show your support. https://www.revisor.mn.gov/bills/status_result.php?body=House&search=topic&session=0882013&topic%5B%5D=1200&submit_topic=GO

awgrizzly
February 1, 2013, 11:29 AM
----- Original Message -----
From:
Sent: Thursday, January 31, 2013 10:27 PM
Subject: MN proposed gun legislation

The future of firearms are on the line here. Don’t sit on your hands and wait for someone else to rescue your rights. Act now...

Bills introduced in the Minnesota House and Senate on January 31 would add unprecedented restrictions on gun owners in Minnesota. The following is a relatively quick overview of the possible restrictions that Minnesota might soon face. Please note that this is not a complete or definitive summary of all the bills, the bills may change during the legislative process, and this summary was prepared quickly.
The Minnesota House Public Safety Finance and Policy Committee is holding hearings on these bills, and others, next week. The hearings are scheduled for February 5, 6 and 7, starting at 10:00 am in Room 10 of the State Office Building. If you oppose any of these bills, or want to let your thoughts be known, please participate in these hearings, or at very least, contact your representatives.
Committee Home: http://www.house.leg.state.mn.us/comm/committee.asp?comm=88022 Committee Members: http://www.house.leg.state.mn.us/comm/committeemembers.asp?comm=88022 Committee Schedule: http://www.house.leg.state.mn.us/comm/schedule.asp?comm=88022
Information about contacting your legislators: http://www.gis.leg.mn/OpenLayers/districts/
Guide to Participation: http://www.leg.state.mn.us/leg/faq/faqtoc.aspx?subject=20
Hunters and sportsmen in New York recently woke up to find that many of these restrictions had been passed in their state. They are now faced with the dilemma of obeying the law and surrendering their magazines and rifles or becoming felons. We should not have to face the same choice, and we can avoid it.
Bill Summaries
HF 0243: 7 Round Magazine Limit https://www.revisor.mn.gov/bin/bldbill.php?bill=H0243..0.html&session=ls88
This bill would make it a felony to possess any magazine, internal or external, that holds more than seven (7) rounds. The only exceptions would be for tubular .22lr magazines or tubular magazines on a lever action rifle. Selling or giving away any larger capacity magazines would be prohibited, and as of August 1, 2013, you would need to transfer any magazine larger than 7 rounds out of the state or turn it over to a law enforcement agency for destruction. You would not be allowed to keep any magazines you owned prior to enactment of this bill. The bill makes no distinction between internal or external magazines, or pistols, rifles, or shotguns. En-bloc clips for an M1 Garand would likely be illegal under this bill.
This bill is authored by Representatives Hausman, Paymar, Johnson, and Simonson.

HF0242: 10 Round Magazine Limit https://www.revisor.mn.gov/bin/bldbill.php?bill=H0242..0.html&session=ls88
This is identical to HF0243, but the limit would be 10 rounds.
This bill is authored by Representatives Hausman, Slocum, Hornstein and Davine
HF0241: “Assault Weapon” Ban https://www.revisor.mn.gov/bin/bldbill.php?bill=H0241..0.html&session=ls88
This bill would create a ban on so-called assault weapons in Minnesota. The bill defines an assault weapon as:
A semi-automatic rifle that has the capacity to accept a detachable magazine and one or more of the following features: A pistol grip or thumbhole stock [Note: Yes, a Ruger 10/22 with a thumbhole stock would be banned]; Any feature capable of functioning as a protruding grip that can be held by the non- trigger hand; A folding or telescoping stock; Any partial or full barrel shroud for the off-hand
Any semi-automatic rifle or pistol, centerfire or rimfire, with an internal magazine that can accept more than seven (7) rounds. [Note: This would ban most semi-auto .22’s, M1 Garands, SKS’s, and other rifles.]
Any semi-automatic pistol that takes a detachable magazine and has one or more of the following features: Any feature that can be used as a protruding grip for the non-trigger hand; A folding, telescoping, or thumbhole stock; A barrel shroud of any kind for the off-hand; The ability to accept a detachable magazine outside of the pistol grip [Note: this would ban any AR or AK style pistol, as well as a Ruger Charger or similar pistol]
Any semi-automatic shotgun with one or more of the following features: A pistol grip or thumbhole stock [Comment: this would apply to many common turkey- hunting shotguns] Any feature that can function as a protruding grip for the off-hand; The ability to accept a detachable magazine; A folding or telescoping stock; The capacity to hold more than seven rounds [Note: The availability of 1 ” mini-shells from Aguila would likely make most semi-auto shotguns illegal]
Any shotgun with a revolving cylinder (such as the Rossi Circuit Judge)

Registration Requirement: This bill would also require annual registration of anything that qualifies as an “assault weapon” under the criteria listed above. Registration would involve a background check, require compliance with safe storage regulations set by local law enforcement agencies, allow that law enforcement agency to enter your home to inspect your storage arrangements, require that you report theft or loss of the weapon within 48 hours, and restrict use of the “assault weapon” to your property and licensed shooting ranges. Local law enforcement would be allowed to set whatever fee is deemed necessary for the annual registration of each weapon.
No Purchases or Transfers: This bill would also prevent purchase of any so-called “assault weapon” after February 1, 2013. You could not even transfer an assault weapon to your children; on your death they would be required to turn the weapon over to law enforcement or make it permanently inoperable.
Currently-owned Weapons: If you currently own an assault weapon (and remember, that would include quite a few common hunting rifles and shotguns), you would need to register it by September 1, 2013, remove it from Minnesota, surrender it to law enforcement for destruction, or make it permanently inoperable.
Felony Provisions: If you violate this law, you would be guilty of a felony and subject to up to five years in prison or a fine of not more than $25,000.00
This bill is authored by Representatives Hausman, Simonson, Hornstein, Davnie and Slocum.
HF 0244: Transfer Restrictions https://www.revisor.mn.gov/bin/bldbill.php?bill=H0244..0.html&session=ls88
This bill would make it a felony to falsely report the loss or theft of a firearm or to transfer a firearm to someone that you know or have reason to believe is disqualified from owning a firearm. And committing either crime would make you ineligible to possess any firearms.
This bill is authored by Representatives Jonson, S; Schoen, Slocum and Isaacson.
HF 0240: Mental Health Transfer Investigations and No Out-of-State Permits https://www.revisor.mn.gov/bin/bldbill.php?bill=H0240..0.html&session=ls88
Roughly summarized, this bill would add mental health screening to applicants for transferee or carry permits in Minnesota, if the applicant has any contact with law enforcement that indicates dangerous or violent behavior, serious mental illness, mental incompetence, or chemical dependency. It would also apply the same to existing requirements to report the sale or transfer of a pistol or assault-style weapon.
This bill would also eliminate non-Minnesota residents from obtaining a Minnesota permit to carry.
This bill is authored by Representatives Scheon, Simonson, Paymar, Isaacson and R. Dehn.

HF 0237: Expanded Restrictions on Firearm Ownership https://www.revisor.mn.gov/bin/bldbill.php?bill=H0237..0.html&session=ls88
This bill has multiple impacts.
Anyone under 18, without being in the presence of their parent or guardian, could not possess a firearm unless participating in military drill or in a class, competition, or target practice on shooting ranges approved by local law enforcement;
The bill also makes it easier for people to be denied the right to own a firearm due to mental health issues or substance abuse by removing the requirement that the commitment or confinement be ordered by a Judge.
The bill would also require ID to obtain a transferee permit (often called a “permit to purchase”).
Transferree permits would be subject to a $25 fee instead of free.
A permit to carry would not serve as a transferee permit unless it was issued within the previous 12 months.
All sales of pistols or semi-automatic, military style assault weapons would have to go through a licensed dealer, with fees capped at $25/transfer. Transfers to immediate family members would be exempt. And the ability to loan a firearm without conducting a formal transfer would also be restricted.
This bill is authored by Representatives Paymar, Schoen, R. Dehn, Simonson, and Hornstein.
Other bills introduced in the Minnesota House include:
HF0239: Regarding possession of firearms on private property after being ordered to leave. https://www.revisor.mn.gov/bin/bldbill.php?bill=H0239..0.html&session=ls88
HF 238: Unlawful possession of firearms on school property. https://www.revisor.mn.gov/bin/bldbill.php?bill=H0238..0.html&session=ls88
This bill would change the penalty for a permit-to-carry holder that carries a weapon on school grounds from a misdemeanor to a felony and makes the pistol subject to forfeiture.
This bill is authored by Davnie; Lesch; R. Dehn; Simonson; Schoen and others.

mnrivrat
February 1, 2013, 02:32 PM
I contacted members of the pulic safety committee to let them know my stand on further gun laws . I am getting the canned political BS from most of them . I am impressed however with this reply :

Dear Keith,

Thank you for contacting me regarding the upcoming votes in public safety regarding gun control.
I ran for this office to represent the people of my district with the principles of individual liberty and limited government. The second amendment to our US constitution assures our rights as private citizens to keep and bear arms for many reasons. I took an oath to uphold the constitution and I take this very seriously. I will never vote to limit the rights of citizens which are part of our constitution.
I would encourage you to come to any of our committee hearings and, if you would like, you will be given an opportunity to testify. It is your right to do so, and all the committee members need to hear from you. Sending an email is good, coming in person is much better.
Thank you again for writing.
Warm regards,
Kathy



Kathy Lohmer

Unfortunately I am disabled and presently undergoing medical issues that prevent me from attending the hearings. Please - Please will someone from Minnesota contact her and offer to give testimony . Someone with good presentation skills and a clear and proper way of presenting our views .

mnrivrat
February 1, 2013, 02:42 PM
I suspect that the reason Obama is coming to Minnesota to support this legislation, is because they feel they have a good chance of passing it and making Miinnesota a poster boy for these more restrictive laws.

It's going to be a hard fight in a state that now is under the control of the urban kings . We need to work hard on this one, or end up like the subjects of California .

ApacheCoTodd
February 1, 2013, 05:01 PM
Minnesota? Go figure. Having lived there, Massachusetts and California I'm not the least bit surprised - or more correctly, surprised it didn't come sooner and harder after the CAWB passed.

usmarine0352_2005
February 1, 2013, 05:56 PM
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It says no mags over 7 rounds. And there is no exemption for law enforcement.


While the many police chief's stand up and praise these horrible laws I can tell you that the majority of patrol officers are against them.


However, the anti-gun politicians trot their little chief's around and make it seem as if the entire police department are for the anti-gun laws they propose and are against the 2nd Amendment and citizen's rights.
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Leanwolf
February 1, 2013, 07:29 PM
Doesn't the history of Minnesota mainly encompas the many, many people who immigrated there over the years from the Scandanavia countries where socialism reigned?

Socialism is a way of life in Minnesota, isn't it?

L.W.

mnrivrat
February 1, 2013, 09:17 PM
Socialism is a way of life in Minnesota, isn't it?

Absolutely true for some folks. To some degree the whole nation is adopting socialism, but some states are more advanced down that path that others.

Until we can figure out how to take back this country from the urbanites even Idaho is at great risk .


When we get piled upon one another in large cities, as in Europe, we shall become as corrupt as Europe.
Thomas Jefferson

Liberty1776
February 1, 2013, 10:24 PM
Lex Luthier - Dayton is not inebriated!

He's on drugs....

Lex Luthier
February 1, 2013, 10:49 PM
DFL is the Minnesota Democratic Farmer and Labor Party. The Land of 10,000 Lakes version of Democratic party.

awgrizzly
February 2, 2013, 11:26 AM
Doesn't the history of Minnesota mainly encompas the many, many people who immigrated there over the years from the Scandanavia countries where socialism reigned?

Socialism is a way of life in Minnesota, isn't it?

L.W.
I've lived in Minnesota my entire life of 68 years, starting in the northern part of the state when it was still a frontier of sorts. It's true, the state has always leaned socialistic, much from necessity as settlers worked together to survive and prosper. But what we are looking at today in the Democratic party is much different. The early settlers loved liberty, were very patriotic, and staunchly defended the Constitution. The gun was an integral part of life back then, and a right of passage for young men taught by their fathers.

I was a Democrat all through my younger years. In the seventies I saw the party changing as members of the peace movement worked their way into politics. I have hope that many Minnesotans still retain some of these values of old and will reject this Statist attack. It is an attack... part and parcel to a revolutionary assault on the core values of America.

mnrivrat
February 2, 2013, 11:56 AM
I was a Democrat all through my younger years. In the seventies I saw the party changing as members of the peace movement worked their way into politics. I have hope that many Minnesotans still retain some of these values of old and will reject this Statist attack. It is an attack... part and parcel to a revolutionary assault on the core values of America.

I agree that the DFL party of today is much different than when I grew up (I am also in my 60's).

I will add one thing, and that is the influx of minorities into our largest cities has had a profound effect . The large Urban communities have the numbers to control the state, and the politicians have been carefuly grooming them to hold on to their power base. It has been sickening to watch, and disheartening to know that my votes get canceled by illegals and others that are more and more dependant on handouts to live here.

vamo
February 2, 2013, 01:51 PM
What is the likelihood of these measures passing? I know minnesota is a blue state, but it doesn't seem to be the same shade of blue as new york or cali to an outside observer.

Lex Luthier
February 2, 2013, 02:07 PM
@vamo: You have to live here a while to get how blue it really is. We have a mayor who prides himself on not bothering to match his socks. Apparently that task detracts from his free-spiritedness. You go to a garage sale and half the time there is a vintage Paul Wellstone sign hanging up as a worship symbol. There are rainbow flags on every block.

Moving here was a blessing in many ways, but I might have missed the forest for the trees, and maybe should have moved a few years ago when MN elected Jesse Ventura. I guess it's more about cult of personality and socialist principles than conservative personal responsibility.

This week Obie is visiting on Monday for a photo opp with all the authors of the MN gun bills. The rest of the week we get to pray and hang on to see how draconian these elected genii feel we deserve to live.

bri
February 2, 2013, 04:32 PM
Besides the OP (thanks for spreading the word), the rest of this thread is pretty much just hot air. Instead of talk of socialism, etc, I'd much rather see a 5 page thread of MN members saying they just contacted their state representatives and presented their opinion on the matter.

If you are MN resident and haven't contacted your reps, please do so.

You can use the following to find your reps:

http://www.gis.leg.mn/OpenLayers/districts/

Lex Luthier
February 2, 2013, 04:34 PM
Sorry bri. Never intended to offend. Just reporting the truth of my experience.

zxcvbob
February 2, 2013, 06:03 PM
Just sent emails to my senator and my MN representative voicing my displeasure. Debating whether or not to write Gov. Dayton. And maybe the members of the house idiot committee (Public Safety.)

I've already made a pest of myself to Senators Franken and Klobuchar and to Tim Walz regarding the Feinstein bill and anything like it that might come along.

GI_Jared
February 2, 2013, 07:31 PM
They are having hearings on new laws next week. No announcement on when they will be voting. GOCRA-MN is the best resource we have in this issue. Here is the latest e-mail they sent out.

http://gocra.org/images/gocra_letterhead_email.png
We need you to come to the capitol at least one of three days next week. It's important.

Today, members of the Minnesota House introduced a stunning array of bills to strip you of your firearm rights, your due process rights and other freedoms. We'll be detailing these bills on our web site and on Facebook in the next day.

Next week, the Minnesota House will hold three days of hearings on these bills. All the politicians, the legislators, the governor and the media will be watching.

Gun owners need to be at the hearings in overwhelming numbers.
http://gocra.org/images/hearings.jpg


(Yes, this will involve taking time off of work for many, and we wouldn't ask if it were not so important. It is that important.)

Can you attend one or more of the hearings?

The hearings are at 10 a.m. on Tuesday, Wednesday and Thursday; you'll need to be there by 8:30. Gun rights activists will meet in room 400S of the State Office Building.

We'll have buttons and t-shirts to help identify you as one of the good guys and gals (please bring $1 for buttons or $10 for t-shirts to offset our costs).
http://gocra.org/images/hearing.jpg


There are also two evening hearings, on Tuesday and Thursday, starting at 6 p.m. Plan to be there by 4:30 p.m. to get a seat.

If you can come to one or more of the five hearings, please let us know by sending an email to volunteer@gocra.org. If you are flexible about which day or days, tell us that, too, so we can be sure to fill the seats for all five sessions.

If you, or someone you know, can testify against gun control, please tell us that, too, and we can help get you to the right people to get on the list.

Whether you can come or not, please call your senator and representative, urge them to reject any gun control measures. Then, call each member of the committee and tell them the same thing:

Public Safety Committee Members:

Representative Michael Paymar (DFL) – Chairman
651-296-4199
E-mail: rep.michael.paymar@house.mn

Representative Paul Rosenthal (DFL) – Vice Chairman
651-296-7803
E-mail: rep.paul.rosenthal@house.mn

Representative Tony Cornish (R) – Republican Lead
651- 296-4240
E-mail: rep.tony.cornish@house.mn

Representative Debra Hilstrom (DFL)
651-296-3709
E-mail: rep.debra.hilstrom@house.mn

Representative Brian Johnson (R)
651-296-4346
E-mail: rep.brian.johnson@house.mn

Representative Tim Kelly (R)
651-296-8635
E-mail: rep.tim.kelly@house.mn

Representative Andrea Kieffer (R)
651-296- 1147
E-mail: rep.andrea.kieffer@house.mn

Representative John Lesch (DFL)
651-296-4224
E-mail: rep.john.lesch@house.mn

Representative Kathy Lohmer (R)
651-296-4244
E-mail: rep.kathy.lohmer@house.mn

Representative Joe Mullery (DFL)
651-296-4262
E-mail: rep.joe.mullery@house.mn

Representative Jim Newberger (R)
651-296- 2451
E-mail: rep.jim.newberger@house.mn

Representative Shannon Savick (DFL)
651-296-8216
E-mail: rep.shannon.savick@house.mn

Representative Dan Schoen (DFL)
651-296-4342
E-mail: rep.dan.schoen@house.mn

Representative Steve Simon (DFL)
651-296-9889
E-mail: rep.steve.simon@house.mn

Representative Erik Simonson (DFL)
651-296-4246
E-mail: rep.erik.simonson@house.mn

Representative Linda Slocum (DFL)
651-296-7158
E-mail: rep.linda.slocum@house.mn

Representative Mark Uglem (R)
651-296-5513
E-mail: rep.mark.uglem@house.mn

Representative John Ward (DFL)
651-296-4333
E-mail: rep.john.ward@house.mn

What about that rally?
Yes, there's a rally loosely organized for Friday.

We already demonstrated, on January 19, that we can turn out, literally, 100 times as many supporters as the gun banners. As fun as it is to gather and protest, now it's time to get down to work. We exert real power when we get in front of legislators -- attending the hearings, and then seeing your senator and representative afterwards, in person.


The Bad Bills
We'll have some analysis soon, but you don't need to be a lawyer to see the problems for the law-abiding gun owner.

https://www.revisor.mn.gov/bin/bldbill.php?bill=H0237.0.html&session=ls88
https://www.revisor.mn.gov/bin/bldbill.php?bill=H0238.0.html&session=ls88
https://www.revisor.mn.gov/bin/bldbill.php?bill=H0239.0.html&session=ls88
https://www.revisor.mn.gov/bin/bldbill.php?bill=H0240.0.html&session=ls88
https://www.revisor.mn.gov/bin/bldbill.php?bill=H0241.0.html&session=ls88
https://www.revisor.mn.gov/bin/bldbill.php?bill=H0242.0.html&session=ls88
https://www.revisor.mn.gov/bin/bldbill.php?bill=H0243.0.html&session=ls88
https://www.revisor.mn.gov/bin/bldbill.php?bill=H0244.0.html&session=ls88




Please forward this email to gun owners and civil rights supporters, and ask them to sign up at http://www.gocra.org/join.html

HorseSoldier
February 2, 2013, 07:48 PM
Doesn't the history of Minnesota mainly encompas the many, many people who immigrated there over the years from the Scandanavia countries where socialism reigned?

Scandinavian socialism post-dates Scandinavian immigration to the US. Most of the Scandinavians who wound up in the US came here for the same general reason other European populations came here -- carving a life out of the frontier was preferable to starvation, negligible economic prospects even if you weren't starving, and dealing with other forms of repression back home.

I suspect that the Populist/socialist leanings in that part of the US today have more to do with the Dust Bowl not decimating the adherents to that line of political reasoning in Minnesota, Michigan, etc., the way it did further south. (There may even be some argument that the influx of destitute farmers from the southern Great Plains into California helped create the Workers Paradise that now prevails there, but maybe that's stretching things . . .)

jmorris
February 2, 2013, 07:50 PM
So the city winds up like Detroit...

bri
February 3, 2013, 10:03 AM
Sorry bri. Never intended to offend. Just reporting the truth of my experience.
No offense taken. ;)

herkyguy
February 3, 2013, 02:16 PM
Sigh....

probably about that time to send another series of emails to my reps...

I do worry about smaller initiatives on the part of states, cities, or even towns.

ball3006
February 3, 2013, 04:42 PM
On the other hand, Texas has about 11 pro-gun bills in committee and no anti-gun bills. And, you don't need a snow shovel here either.

If this crap passes, I won't be able to drive through MN to get to the UP of MI any longer. I can't drive through IL because I would be considered a felon by the guns I carry with me.........chris3

Pilot
February 3, 2013, 04:51 PM
I don't live in Minnesota, thank goodness from a gun perspective, but I have a feeling we are all going to end up in Texas someday. It may prove to be our Alamo. :(

walking arsenal
February 3, 2013, 05:02 PM
Can someone post a list of the bills that have been introduced and that are going to vote?

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