We are WINNING the battle against AWB (victory party will be inside!)

My friends... we are winning the battle. Democrats are backing away from the proposed assault weapons ban like it is a burning dumptruck full of manure. Now is the time to go on the offense and nationalize carry licenses and prohibit any state from setting limits on magazine capacities. :)

Links to the news guaranteed to make you smile:

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2013-01-25/assault-weapons-ban-lacks-democratic-votes-to-pass-senate.html
http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/the-fix/wp/2013/01/29/why-the-assault-weapons-ban-is-probably-going-nowhere/
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/01/25/joe-biden-assault-weapons-ban_n_2552902.html
http://thehill.com/homenews/senate/279895-reid-declines-to-endorse-feinstein-assault-weapons-ban
http://firstread.nbcnews.com/_news/2013/01/31/16794835-biden-new-gun-controls-likely-wont-end-shootings
http://news.yahoo.com/nation-biggest-sports-outdoor-show-postponed-indefinitely-following-233407468--spt.html

I do love good news. But this does not mean each state wont take it upon themselves to institute their own laws/bans.

Indeed, we need to keep the pressure up and support or fellow 2A supporters like NY, CA etc as they will need our help in the court battles.

Feinstein's bill is so non-sensical that I'm convinced it is just the kick-off of their rope-a-dope strategy.

I appreciate the good news. :) However, we need to be ever mindful of the Overton Window. Remain vigilant.

Wow, here's something I saw in the Huffington Post article you linked:

Joe Biden said:
“That’s why we need universal background checks. All information is sent to a national system,” he said. “It in no way impacts someone’s ability to own a gun. Zero. Zero.”

Now color me skeptical, but if he intends the background check to have zero impact on people owning a gun.........what's.....the.....point...???

Just say the words, you're trying to build a national register.

We don't need a NATIONAL anything, thank you very much. What we need in terms of gun law is national NOTHING.

Except for a full faith and credit law.
We could use one of those.

Any license or permit granted in one state (Carry, Marriage, Hunting, Drivers) shall be valid in any other state, in accordance with the full faith and credit clause of the US Constitution.
Failure to recognize will result in a loss of federal funding for stuff and things.

And this is my favourite phrase ever: Democrats are backing away from the proposed assault weapons ban like it is a burning dumptruck full of manure.

Thank you :D

Walk lightly guys...this ain't over yet!
Dan
;)

Walk lightly guys...this ain't over yet!
So true.

We in Maryland could sure use some help.

Yes indeed, and as soon as all the western state dems can say they didn't support it, they'll drag in the "resonable restrictions". Ban magazines over 10 rounds, renewed AWB, etc. Then they can say they went with the most reasonable and least restrictive controls available.

Please folks, don't get suckered into believing the Feinstein version was ever intended to go anywhere. It was well known by anyone with a brain this couldn't even get a reading in the house and would not even get enough support formt he democratic controlled senate to pass there. They just want to have a completely unconstitutional ban to compare their "reasonable restrictions" to.

victory party will be inside!

That's premature.

Sens. Max Baucus (Mont.), Jon Tester (Mont.), Mark Begich (Alaska), Heidi Heitkamp (N.D.), Joe Manchin (W.Va.), Mary Landrieu (La.), Mark Pryor (Ark.), Angus King (Maine), and Tim Johnson (S.D.) are key in making sure that there will be no restrictions on firearms, magazines or ammunition. They need a lot of support to resist pressure from senior elected and executive branch politicians. If we don't bulwark them they could decide to give into their party in exchange for a lot of party support in their next campaign for office. We need to assure them they don't need party support if they support us and remind them that the Senators that lost their seats in Congress after the AWB '94 was passed had plenty of support from their parties, but not from the constituents they had abandoned.

We also face numerous magazine and ammunition ban legislation separate from Sen. Feinstein's legislation that we have to defeat lest we die from a thousand cuts. Then there is the legislation for firearm registration that hangs over us. That's just at the Federal level. The various proposed state restrictions like the monstrous law passed in New York are out there as well. This sounds too much like Nero fiddling while Rome burned.

No, this is no time to party.

We have them on the run, now don't start to fade! We must continue the preassure, until they "get it". "No restrictions on our freedom"
We need an organized fact finding group to show Cuomo, how much this 7 round crap, is going to cost NY, with a loss of revenue from all the things that come with guns, like Manufacturing jobs and taxes, shows, ammo, and people who will leave.

No, this is no time to party.

Amen

I agree. News is saying that the AWB and mag limits has no traction. Arguing is now about background checks, gunshow/private party checks, and mental health issues.

I am glad the focus is turning to the mental health side of it. Most of these issues involve people with mental issues.

BTW, are there mag cap limits in Chicago? Thanks.

I want to add, I agree that the approach all along may have been to have the extreme AWB as an extreme position so they the gun control group could compromise into a position for extensive background checks, which still erodes rights. They would consider that a victory.

Keep vigilant and in contact with your reps, both federal and state.

MN introduced H.F. 241 yesterday that is every bit as draconian as NY's SAFE act.

We've been pummeling the house reps and committee members with email, letters, and calls hoping to kill this POS bill in committee.

It's up to everyone to be a good sheepdog and remain vigilant and of good character and ready to face the threats as they become visible.

But... but... the polls keep saying a clear majority of people WANT the ban. I don't get it. If most people want it, why doesn't it sail through the Congress? I mean, it almost seems like the polls are lying...?

Joe Biden said:
“That’s why we need universal background checks. All information is sent to a national system,” he said. “It in no way impacts someone’s ability to own a gun. Zero. Zero.”

Now color me skeptical, but if he intends the background check to have zero impact on people owning a gun.........what's.....the.....point...???


He's refering to people that are legally able to own a gun wont be impacted.

This shows what a radical Obama is, he can't even get the support of his own party.

As was mentioned above don't get lulled to sleep with wishful thinking.

Ever hear of sandbagging?

Don't get cocky kid.

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Are the people calling this a victory the same folks that told me Romney will win the election? Not just by a little, but by a LANDSLIDE?

Confirmation bias. Don't pick and choose just the articles that happen to be pro-2A while dismissing all the anti-2A stuff. Look at the totality of what's going on and make an objective hypothesis.

could be a smoke screen. I dont trust nobody when it comes to my rights

I do love good news. But this does not mean each state wont take it upon themselves to institute their own laws/bans.

However, it does mean it is unlikely that such bogus laws will be foisted upon my state. Not that that frees me/us from any obligation, but we can focus our efforts and influence on the remaining regions that are somehow in favor of ridiculous legislation. I've a lot more energy to rally behind New Yorkers now, than I would be if I was having to pester my own Governor to resist unconstitutional laws (I'm in Texas :cool:)

TCB

Quote]" We must continue the preassure, until they "get it". "No restrictions on our freedom""

They DO "get it." They know exactly how the 2A reads. They just don't agree with it and they would like to see US stripped of our rights.
The Govt. has never liked the idea of Seperation of Powers. They have always wanted the citizens to be LESS well-armed than they are.

He's refering to people that are legally able to own a gun wont be impacted.
Having my name on a list would definitely class as an 'impact' in my book.

Never give up, never give in! Emails to my representatives are still leaving my computer.

This is only round 1. Round 2 may not be as asinine, but must be fought as hard as round 1.

This is an ongoing fight and I can't see it ending, it will ebb at times but it will never go away. We must remain vigilant and pass our beliefs and values on to the younger generations, which is not always easy with a system that tends to be against us. Our culture has been changing over the years, we are seeing that process speeding up exponentially.

What happens to Feinstein submission of her new AWB Bill? When are they gonna tacke it? Once that hits the floor for debate, this thing rolls again. Let us keep on it . I want an AR once things cool down. I got my Tax Return filed already so im ready but not ready to pay the gouged prices they are asking, hehehee.

I'm still not confident all regional Republicans, particularly from Northeastern states, are as committed to protection of 2A rights as members of the party from other areas might be. I'm going to wait til AFTER a vote happens, assuming it makes it that far, before I celebrate anything.

I agree with the OP. if someone asked me 6 weeks ago, i would have said that we were screwed. But we are in a MUCH stronger position today. The AWB has become a pariah for the senate democrats, with almost no hope of success. And there seems to be waning enthusiasm for the other proposals like mag limits. The only proposal i see as having a chance of passing is the universal background check, which i wouldn't really lose sleep over nor would most gun owners.

It's true that individual states might try to pass new legislation, But seeing how Cuomo's approval rating took a nose dive might give other governors some apprehension when considering taking the same course of action.

One thing is for certain, all the letter writing has worked. Take heart in our successes so far, but we should not get complacent. The gun grabbers got too overzealous, and in doing so awoke a sort of "sleeping giant". Gun owners from all walks of life have made their voices heard. I am proud to stand in solidarity with my fellow American gun owners in support of our rights. It's a beautiful thing!

http://www.gocomics.com/pearlsbeforeswine/2011/04/30

Seems like a familiar tactic...

We must remain vigilant, the emperor has almost 4 more years to try and get something through. I think that we all know that their goal is a national registry for starters and then close ranks over time, which is exactly what Hitler did in 1935.

We must all remember that "power corrupts and absolute power corrupts absolutely" so be ever vigilant "it ain't over till the fat lady sings".

Make no mistake: Even if we stay clear of new laws now, they will come back again and again and again.
Maybe we should support in the next CA senate race who ever runs against Frankenstein!

Maybe we should support in the next CA senate race who ever runs against Frankenstein!

You'd have to support her primary opponents, and even that is pretty unlikely to be effective.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Senate_election_in_California,_2012

I'm still not confident all regional Republicans, particularly from Northeastern states, are as committed to protection of 2A rights as members of the party from other areas might be. I'm going to wait til AFTER a vote happens, assuming it makes it that far, before I celebrate anything.
You are smart to question the R's. As we learned from Cuomo's Folly, having an R next to your name means nothing. We are having a good first round, but we need to go on the offense during the second. Let the Anti-Constitutionalists know that your new personal mission is to ensure their defeat at mid-terms.

You'd have to support her primary opponents, and even that is pretty unlikely to be effective.

She's 79. Soon to be 80, in June. The end is coming one way or another!

Gregg

Thanks for reminding me that I need to write and call my reps again.

I think the NRA is much better tuned to this than we are. They thought it would have to give them something. With their changing their mind on the background checks I think they think now they may not have to give them anything.

I can only be so happy, because we're in deep doo-doo here.

They would love for us to think that and back off. We cannot afford to do so as they surely will not. Not today, not tomorrow. They will keep coming at us like .... dare I say it .......Zombies.

They will never quit trying.

The antis may regret having woken up a sleeping giant as gun owners rise up and fight this war against the Constitution/Second Amendment.

We shall never surrender ... our guns :D

That "Sleeping giant" that was awakened had best remain awake and alert.
And never drift off to sleep. Not now. Not ever.
The antis will never quit, neither can we.

Those leftists and their supporters are so afraid of guns and gun owners, they won't quit. Who thought that? They will sneak and slime, they will lie and drop all pretense of morality in ways to derive means for their ultimate goal. It's for the children and so the goal is more important than how they get there.

Please do not relax you vigilance:

She's 79. Soon to be 80, in June. The end is coming one way or another!

I've got two words for you: Strom Thurmond

Possible AWBs are a lot like Herpes.... They pop up when you least expect them to. Staying proactive and (protected) will greatly reduce the chance of infection. Stay vigilant.

Heh, don't do the happy-dance yet. While a full blown AWB has little traction, there are a lot of folks who are ok with magazine limits...even amongst many gun owners.

I do see where these people are coming from, however. In their minds, guns are for sporting purposes and it's pretty hard to justify a 30 rounder for sporting purposes. I mean, hell, shoot a rabbit 30 times with 7.62x39 and there won't be any meat left!

Before y'all turn your flames on, let me state that I already know it ain't about sporting anything. 30 rounders are needed the goblin or goblins that may come knocking. 30 rounders are needed should, God forbid the day ever comes, that some future hell-bent administration takes one too many tyranny pills. 30 rounders are needed when it, the ammo, and the gun that runs it are the only thing that stands between a mob of looters after a civil unrest situation and your family.

THAT is what needs to be drilled into the heads of the average "sportsman". It ain't about sport-anything.

It definitely isn't time to party yet. I still think too many senators consider magazine capacity restrictions to be "reasonable" regulations. And even if the universal background check is the only thing to make it to the Senate floor (something I don't oppose in principle), there is a danger that the law could be written in such a way as to create a national firearms registry.

Stay vigilant. Keep your legislators and their staffers busy taking your calls and reading your letters.

Well, one thing you can count on is that after the Senate vote, there will be a list of Senators from both parties who will need to be held accountable for their votes. We should start planning how to do that and supporting their opponents in both the primary and general elections.

We are nowhere near winning anything! Feinstein is rewriting her gun grab papers now without any opposing input and the Sneate majority leader promised it would pass!
Wake up! We are not fighting hard enough!

Exactly. The word is the Senate will move forth on 10 cap mags and beefed background checks.

The only thing I heard from Harry Reed was that he would take a look at it. We need to keep contacting all of our reps even the Anti ones.

Ed is always so down My Supe Bowl euphoria is over.Not even one day of relief:D!

OilyPablo,another bummer. :eek:

Are you kidding me? Victory party? You are way too gullible.

These snakes will sneak something through. Possibly tacked on to another bill if they have too.

Wishful thinking is not going to save us.

My theory is if the government can't further limit weapon restrictions and mag capacity, they may limit who can own them by adding more laws that apply a disability(owing taxes, driving infractions etc). So watch out for pork and cover 360 degrees...preaching to the choir at this point.

Sol good point, put Veterans with PTSD on the top of that list. I'll be screwed on that one!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=dhXPlCjr0Vw

The only proposal i see as having a chance of passing is the universal background check, which i wouldn't really lose sleep over nor would most gun owners. Guvonor
You should lose sleep over it. Because of all the crap they tried this is the worst. The anti's are fooling so many gun owners with this it is pathetic. UBC will = gun registration.

I bet you a hogshead UBC' s don't make it through.
:scrutiny:
Now,back to your regularly scheduled programming! ::D

Imagine the increased future momentum if another similar mass tragedy ever takes place again,
whether adults (i.e. Virginia Tech, Aurora) or not.

Whatever modest changes are about to take place within a couple of months would be only the Beginning.
Nothing is ever cast in stone.

Whatever modest changes are about to take place within a couple of months would be only the Beginning.
Nothing is ever cast in stone.

Can I quote that one/? Yowzaaa! :D

Are what are your plans if this possible Armageddon firestorm takes place? :scrutiny:

This is very nice...but don't write it off as a "done deal" with respect to further restrictive gun laws.

A "failed" AWB bill may only be a prelude to some other "less restrictive" gun laws than Senator Feinstein's draconian wishes. Consider it as a maneuver for a possible lead in to such. "We couldn't get these draconian measures, so let's try some smaller, 'more reasonable' measures."

An old ploy.

Keep in mind that, however we may think of liberal politicians, they aren't stupid when it comes to politics. They fully understand what a hard line stance means with respect to shifting political dominance in Congress and the Presidency. Therefore they must play their parts very carefully in order to orchestrate the outcome in ways which support political party control in the House, the Senate, and the Presidency. Very likely, this is why Obama's "Executive Orders" (or whatever you wish to call them) were worded they way they were. Very likely, this is why some Democrat politicians are shying away from hardline stances. It does them no good if they go hardball on this, then lose dozens of seats in the House/Senate and lose the next Presidential election.

I agree about individual states adopting their own laws. There are elections next year and their top priority is getting/keeping as many liberals in positions of power. Look at which dems are shying away from the debate, odds are, they're up for reelection next year.

I've written to every politician in the state of PA about the issue.
On aside, whatever happened with Western New York splitting from NYC? New Yorkers really need to push for it. NYC shouldn't dictate the policy of the entire state.

...It Ain't Over 'Till It's Over! :scrutiny:

You guys have such short attention spans.


What got us here in the first place? Yes remember the murder of school children by a deranged evil madman.

Have we solved the problem of making sure a similar shooting can ever happen again?

No of course not because honestly it's a problem that cannot be legislated away, not that it stops folks with an agenda from exploitation of such an occurrence.

SO having thought that out WHERE will we be when the next shooting takes place. That's right, exactly where we were three weeks ago all over again.

Notice I said when not if.






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I think winning is *WAY* to optimistic.

Lived to fight another day isn't too bad a description.

This battle is a long way from over folks. The power structures see us as an enemy. Like that or not, that's how it is. We ignore this fact at our peril.

Remember the thread last year about how mere gun ownership was indicative of corrupted judgement according to many in the medical community?

http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=672394

Well guess what. My wife works in that community, and she commits people sometimes. And it's true. Outside of the rural areas the "gun owners" are viewed skeptically. Certainly this isn't universal in the medical community, but it's wide spread.

And now here we are all fighting off the beast to perhaps have that same medical community certify our sanity as a requirement for ownership? No one here wants that, but Joe Biden would take it as a requirement if he couldn't get anything else. (You must be sane to own a gun. Well, if you want to own a gun that's diagnostic that you're disturbed, so no gun for you mister.)

What I said the day after Sandy Hook is that we, the gun community, need to be seen as the national champions for the mental health community.

They need to love us and swoon when we walk in the door because they see research dollars drip out of our pockets.

The research institutes are the ivory towers of the power structures. Things filter down from there like tablets brought down by Moses. So if we begin to become a coveted funding source, then we become a favored rather than despised social group. The ivory towers have two kinds of favored groups, benefactors and victims. We'll never reach victimhood to them, so we'd better start becoming their benefactors.

This is not the time to party.

Remember most everyone here was thinking Mitt Romney would be president right now, too.

And even if we win the national fight, we can lose plenty of state fights. I'm in Minnesota, just ask me how I know... :(

Celebrating now would be like the premature victory parties UN forces were having near the Yalu River late October 1950 in Korea right before they started hearing the unexpected sounds of bugles in the valleys.