Ruger SR22 Problems


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rugmar
February 1, 2013, 06:20 PM
I have a fairly new Ruger SR22 and have only put a few hundred rounds through it. Maybe 6 or 7 hundred. The other day I shot it and it would shoot one round then click on the next pull of the trigger. Pulled back the slide and chamber was empty. Let the slide go, pull trigger, bang. Pull trigger again, click. Repeat.

Both mags I have do the same. All ammo I have does the same but with the higher velocity stuff it is not as frequent. If you load the mags with only five rounds of high velocity it may only fail to load one of the five.

It seems as though the slide is just not coming back far enough to pick up the next round. The next round is always in place (untouched) as though the bolt never touched it or moved it forward at all. It will always chamber the round with no problem when you let the slide go.

Any ideas how I can resolve this problem? The first time or two I shot this pistol it did not do this.

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Steve H
February 1, 2013, 06:21 PM
Needs a good cleaning and lube job??????

ku4hx
February 1, 2013, 06:30 PM
Magazine fully inserted?

rugmar
February 1, 2013, 06:43 PM
Yes mags are fully inserted. As for cleaning, it had been cleaned really good before this started. Is there something I could have done at reassembly to cause this?

I'm not new to pistols and used the same cleaning methods I've always used on everything else. A few wet patches, in the barrel then a dry one. Nylon brush to scrub up the bolt face and internals. A drop or two of lube on the slide contacts, reassemble and wipe it down.

Any other ideas? This is driving me crazy. :banghead:

meanmrmustard
February 1, 2013, 06:45 PM
What ammo?

ku4hx
February 1, 2013, 06:49 PM
Before I tweaked our Standard, Mark II and Mark III model's magazines, they all failed to feed hollow points. Actually any round that had a flat nose. Now they feed everything.

No idea if this applies to the SR22, but it may be worth a try.
http://www.1bad69.com/ruger/stovepipe.htm

rugmar
February 1, 2013, 06:56 PM
Several types of ammo. Federal American Eagle, Federal Champion and CCI Mini-mags. I seems to be less frequent with the mini-mags.

dullone
February 1, 2013, 08:04 PM
Check to make sure the recoil spring is firmly attached to the guide rod (last coil of the spring clips into groove on the guide rod)

meanmrmustard
February 1, 2013, 08:15 PM
Sounds like magazine.

RTR_RTR
February 1, 2013, 10:06 PM
While I hate you for posting this a day after I buy one, I too would suggest swapping the mag and seeing if it resolves the issue

F-111 John
February 1, 2013, 10:29 PM
The OP said: "Both mags I have do the same."

Field strip the gun and make sure you put the recoil spring on the guide rod in the correct orientation. The recoil spring has one end that is slightly larger in diameter than the other. The small end goes on the guide rod first, with the larger end at the muzzle.

If you put the spring on the guide rod backwards, the larger end will not go into the hole in the frame, and you will have a stiffer than normal spring pressure for the slide to overcome to cycle fully.

rugmar
February 1, 2013, 10:31 PM
Ok, thanks for the replies so far. I will check the guide rod spring and see if I can find a new magazine to try. Anyone else have any suggestions?

I'll keep you posted on what happens.

RTR_RTR
February 1, 2013, 11:18 PM
The OP said: "Both mags I have do the same."

Missed that, apologies

PhotoBiker
February 1, 2013, 11:21 PM
How clean is your feed ramp?

The pattern you describe, however, is consistent with the Aguilia 1450fps ammo. I bought 500 rounds in the fall when they were on sale, thought it would be worth a try. The only gun that can feed and fire them semi-consistently is my son't Savage Mk2.

chris in va
February 2, 2013, 04:47 AM
I suggest you call Ruger. They're surprisingly helpful.

rugmar
February 2, 2013, 05:25 PM
Ok, an update here. The recoil spring was installed in the correct orientation but was not "attached", meaning if you inverted the guide rod, it would fall off. I pushed it and twisted as the manual suggested and finally managed to get the small end to grab on the slightly enlarged step at the end of the guide rod. This is what Dullone suggested in post 8. Thanks BTW!!

I fully anticipated this would fix the problem because without having the spring fully seated it would effectively lengthen the guide rod and therefore be prone to short stroking which is how it has been acting.

Alas, the problem is still there. It does seem to happen less frequently now however as It only happened once in each mag. I ran 8 mags through it, (4 x with each mag I have and each time was the same. first trigger pull, bang. Second trigger pull, click. Rack slide, pull trigger, bang x 9 trigger pulls. Don't know why that second round won't load. I guess I'll clean it up again and try once more. If that doesn't do it, Maybe then I should call Ruger? Should I try to buy another mag or two first?:confused:

dullone
February 2, 2013, 05:55 PM
Did you ever change the base plates on the mags to the ones with pinky extenstion?

rugmar
February 2, 2013, 06:20 PM
Yes, I did change both mags to the extended base plate. Do you think I should change back and try again? Actually, I don't think I ever even fired it before I made the changes to the mags.

WYO
February 2, 2013, 06:49 PM
In my experience they don't seem to like low powered bulk pack ammo, and the problem gets worse as the gun gets dirtier. The higher velocity stuff works every time.

meanmrmustard
February 2, 2013, 07:11 PM
In my experience they don't seem to like low powered bulk pack ammo, and the problem gets worse as the gun gets dirtier. The higher velocity stuff works every time.
I know they're costly, but Stingers rule in the SR22.

dullone
February 2, 2013, 07:38 PM
Yes, I did change both mags to the extended base plate. Do you think I should change back and try again? Actually, I don't think I ever even fired it before I made the changes to the mags.
Could you have possibly reassembled the followers or mag springs incorrectly??????

rugmar
February 2, 2013, 09:42 PM
I don't think it's possible to assemble them wrong. Certainly the follower can't be installed wrong or else the hold down tab can't be lined up. Springs are over the two post and the floor plates have to be correct to fit into the gun.

I am going to clean it and try some stingers in it tomorrow. Too cold and dark outside to shoot it right now.

Thanks for the ideas. If anyone has others I am open to trying most anything that seems halfway reasonable.

RTR-RTR - I also hate it when I make a new purchase and almost immediately find a thread about a problem with the same gun. Sorry bout that!

weblance
February 2, 2013, 09:45 PM
Rugmar... mine does exactly the same thing. Your experience if identical to mine. My guide rod spring wasnt captured either, and installing it correctly didnt fix the issues. I have 5 magazines, and they all do the same. The only thing that made it better was to change ammo brands. My SR22P runs well with CCI Blazers. I was thinking of sending it in to Ruger and see if they could work some magic, or simply shoot Blazers thru it forever. Either is acceptable, but I also have the issue of mine isnt very accurate. I suppose that comparing it to my Ruger Mark pistols isnt fair, but none the less, its still not as accurate as i would like. At 25 yards, it will group 8", where my Marks will group 3". Try Blazers(if you can find some) and see if that helps. Everyone raves that this pistol eats any ammo, and is the greatest thing since sliced bread. Mine has been neither.

rugmar
February 2, 2013, 10:05 PM
Weblance - thanks for the info. I don't have Blazers but I have stingers and velocitors. Will report tomorrow how they work out.

I've heard the claims too, sure wish I could get this thing to eat whatever I put in it.

Newcatwalt
February 2, 2013, 10:15 PM
MY SR22 feeds and fires anything I feed it. Just be sure the mag is fully inserted - make sure you hear a little "click" to indicate it's seated fully. If you don't you may experience these problems. Best of luck.

weblance
February 2, 2013, 10:17 PM
rugmar... Im going to keep watching this thread, and I hope we can find a solution. Im not really desperate to find a solution, as I have many 22 pistols to shoot, and because mine does run very well on Blazers. Its just annoying to know that other SR22Ps run well with any ammo. Are these guys lying to us? I dont think so. I would be interested to know what your accuracy is at 25 yards also.

weblance
February 2, 2013, 10:23 PM
MY SR22 feeds and fires anything I feed it. Just be sure the mag is fully inserted - make sure you hear a little "click" to indicate it's seated fully. If you don't you may experience these problems

Its obviously not a problem with getting the mags seated completely. Its not a problem with loading the mags properly. Its not the magazine bottom plates or the followers. Its not a clean vs dirty pistol issue. Mine does it clean, or dirty, and when lubed properly.

Kiln
February 3, 2013, 07:14 AM
My Walther P22 used to constantly do the same thing you described with multiple ammo types and different magazines. The gun was always kept squeaky clean too.

Maybe give Ruger a call on this one and see what they say about it? They may want you to send it in for a once over.

danez71
February 3, 2013, 01:00 PM
Rugmar... mine does exactly the same thing. Your experience if identical to mine. My guide rod spring wasnt captured either, and installing it correctly didnt fix the issues. I have 5 magazines, and they all do the same. The only thing that made it better was to change ammo brands. My SR22P runs well with CCI Blazers. I was thinking of sending it in to Ruger and see if they could work some magic, or simply shoot Blazers thru it forever. Either is acceptable, but I also have the issue of mine isnt very accurate. I suppose that comparing it to my Ruger Mark pistols isnt fair, but none the less, its still not as accurate as i would like. At 25 yards, it will group 8", where my Marks will group 3". Try Blazers(if you can find some) and see if that helps. Everyone raves that this pistol eats any ammo, and is the greatest thing since sliced bread. Mine has been neither.

Is your barrel loose?

Some of the reoirts of not being accurate.. and a whole host of other issues... we due to a loose barrel. Ruger did have some get out that the barrel wasnt torqued down properly.

WYO
February 3, 2013, 01:12 PM
A good test to see if it is the ammo is to try different kinds and notice the ejection pattern. If the brass is barely getting out of the gun, it is only a matter of time before it is going to short stroke when feeding and give a click on an empty chamber instead of a bang.

weblance
February 3, 2013, 01:21 PM
s your barrel loose?

Some of the reoirts of not being accurate.. and a whole host of other issues... we due to a loose barrel. Ruger did have some get out that the barrel wasnt torqued down properly.

No... my barrel is not loose. I have checked it numerous times and it is always tight. My SR22P is as accurate as my Bersa Thunder 22 which has a 3" barrel like the SR22P. I suppose its just the short barrel, and short sight radius, and my unfair comparison to my longer barrel Ruger Mark II/III pistols.

rugmar
February 3, 2013, 03:19 PM
Another update. It seems stingers cure the problem. No problems whatsoever when using them. I suspect the velocitors will work as well although I did not try them because I typically don't like to shoot on Sundays. Maybe later this week. Ouch....this little 22 just got expensive to shoot.

I'm wondering if after some time as the recoil spring weakens, maybe then it will shoot the less powerful stuff? I guess only time will tell. I least now I have some rounds that are reliable in this gun. Thanks for all your help guys!

Weblance,

I have not even shot this gun at a target yet. Only cans and fruit that was on it's way to spoiling. I agree though, it doesn't compare to my MK II target in that I can't hit pieces of fruit as often. I'm talking 30 ft maybe, 4-5 hits out of ten with the SR22 versus 7 or 8 hits with the MKII at the same range. But, as you said, probably not a very fair comparison.

weblance
February 3, 2013, 04:08 PM
I haven't bought any Blazers since the "Great Ammo Scare of 2012-2013" but when things were Pre-Hysteria, the Blazers were $16/525. Thats why I shoot them. They seem to have a little more power than the Winchester and Federal bulk that I also have. I have over 4,000 rounds thru my SR22P and it still wont shoot those brands reliably, so I doubt the recoil spring will weaken enough on yours to cure the problem. It didnt on mine.

RTR_RTR
February 3, 2013, 04:17 PM
Another update. It seems stingers cure the problem. No problems whatsoever when using them. I suspect the velocitors will work as well although I did not try them because I typically don't like to shoot on Sundays. Maybe later this week. Ouch....this little 22 just got expensive to shoot.

I'm wondering if after some time as the recoil spring weakens, maybe then it will shoot the less powerful stuff? I guess only time will tell. I least now I have some rounds that are reliable in this gun. Thanks for all your help guys!

Weblance,

I have not even shot this gun at a target yet. Only cans and fruit that was on it's way to spoiling. I agree though, it doesn't compare to my MK II target in that I can't hit pieces of fruit as often. I'm talking 30 ft maybe, 4-5 hits out of ten with the SR22 versus 7 or 8 hits with the MKII at the same range. But, as you said, probably not a very fair comparison.

I haven't gotten mine in yet, but personally, if mine ended up only reliable with high power .22 (e.g. stingers), I'll probably be sending it to Ruger because cheap shooting is one of the biggest reasons for having a .22 pistol as far as I'm concerned. Hope it resolves without coming to that however! I'd probably give it a brick or two before I resorted to that

helitack32f1
February 3, 2013, 06:22 PM
I am one of those that has been able to shoot nearly everything I can find in my SR22p. I have even used some really greasy, old low power Russian stuff and it fired reliably. The issues I have had almost seemed related to gripping the gun too strongly, with the alternate base plates on the mags. It seemed to tweak the mag enough to cause a misfeed. I was able to induce the problem on purpose after i surmised that is what was happening. However, I KEPT trying to induce the stoppages that way but could not do it consistently. So, there is the vague possibility it comes from gripping too hard.

As for accuracy, I am always stunned at the PLINKING accuracy of the SR22p. I can hit the smallest rocks and shotgun shells just about anything else. However, I have no idea how this is possible considering the LACK of accuracy I see on paper. I shot off the bench at 25 yds and it sucked. I can post pics if you are interested. I did 50 rnd groups using different ammo and ammo manufacturer seemed to make a difference.

On a side note, I now have a Ruger Mark 3 Target on layaway and look forward to the experience of comparing the two. I suspect the best way to look at it is, the SR22 is a great plinking gun but if you want real accuracy, go with the Mark series guns.

Pukindog12
February 3, 2013, 06:30 PM
I just got a SR22 NIB yesterday but have yet to fire it. I sure as hell hope I don't have any issues about it being ammo finicky for it supposedly being able to digest anything (according to numerous internet reviews) is the biggest reason I obtained it.

Steve H
February 3, 2013, 06:37 PM
I have two SR-22's. Only have fired one of them so far. I ran Blazers and bulk Federal (walmart stuff) through it with no problems. Since then I have come across a large supply of CCI standard velocity and a large supply of mini mags. I'm going to be interested on how the standard velocity stuff does. I want to think the minimags should work fine. If anyone has any experience with these two ammo types in this gun please pass it on.

Steve H
February 3, 2013, 07:30 PM
Here is a good discussion on different ammo in the SR 22

http://www.rimfirecentral.com/forums/showthread.php?t=431235

Pukindog12
February 3, 2013, 07:50 PM
Thanks for the link Steve H.

RTR_RTR
February 6, 2013, 09:32 PM
Going to bump this thread to ask a question of my own if that's alright.

I just got the threaded barrel version of the SR22, and the thread cover is REALLY hard to remove (I stopped trying due to concern that I'd hurt the frame of the pistol). Is this to be expected, and should I just keep torquing until it comes loose?

helitack32f1
February 6, 2013, 10:12 PM
Going to bump this thread to ask a question of my own if that's alright.

I just got the threaded barrel version of the SR22, and the thread cover is REALLY hard to remove (I stopped trying due to concern that I'd hurt the frame of the pistol). Is this to be expected, and should I just keep torquing until it comes loose?
I wonder if it might be better to remove the barrel from the gun and put it in a wooden vice type thingy. Have you shot it yet? Maybe take it out and shoot it until the barrel gets real hot and maybe it will help you out.

RTR_RTR
February 6, 2013, 11:11 PM
I haven't fired it yet. I would think that would preferentially expand the inner barrel, but running hot water over it might be a good idea - may try that when I get home, thanks.

HankR
February 7, 2013, 11:19 AM
I'd probably try to heat it up by shooting before I'd run water on it. Even if it's really tight, some water will creep in between the cover and the threads. Then if you don't get it off this week, you'll have corrosion to deal w/ next week.


I'd warm it up by shooting first, and if that didn't work I would maybe try some penetrating oil (I'm a huge fan of Kroil) if you can actually get to the crack. Warning, I have no idea what Kroil or any other penetrant will do to the finish of the gun, I'm approaching this more from an automotive/hobbiest "stuck nut" position.

RTR_RTR
February 7, 2013, 12:04 PM
Sigh. Well, to resolve the issue.

"To remove the thread cover, WITH THE GUN FACING AWAY FROM YOU, turn the cover in a clockwise direction."

Relevant words bolded and underlined. I'll leave the rest to your collective imaginations.

sota
February 7, 2013, 12:19 PM
anyone consider maybe trying a trick used on the H&K P30 sometimes? lock back the slide and let it sit for a day or 3. that seems to help "break in" the spring in a P30, allowing it to eat lighter rounds (115gr) reliably. Not everyone seems to have that problem with the P30 (I didn't. fed it a case of 115gr when it was brand new) but for those that do it seems to help cure it.

just a suggestion.

Nathan Detroit
February 7, 2013, 03:39 PM
To the original poster, there is a trick that bulllseye shooters use with the standard velocity ammo that is common in conventional bullseye. Run a small bead of oil on the top cartridge in the magazine. It serves two functions. The first is to assist in extraction and the second is to keep the powder residue soft and easy to remove.

scotch827
February 8, 2013, 12:45 AM
Mine would do the same, only on the second shot. When you load your mag, try letting go of the tab on the side of the magazine after loading each round to seat the ammo. If you pull the tab down and let the rounds fall in with out seating them they seem not to line up correctly and cause the fail to feed. Hope this helps.

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