Cost per Bullet when reloading?


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Dlowe167
February 3, 2013, 04:23 AM
I wanna start reloading,so im curious of savings. Id normally shoot 1000-2000 rds a month. I shoot .44spl,.45acp,.45Lc,.40,.410,.223/5.56 Whats your guys average per bang/shot?

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thump_rrr
February 3, 2013, 06:26 AM
You need to figure out what you want to shoot first and find the cost of all of your components.
It is difficult to compare especially right now with the market the way it is.
I may have small pistol primers which I paid $26.00/1,000 while others have paid crazy prices such as $70.00/1,000.
Others may call my $26.00 crazy because they bought 100,000 at $10.00/1,000 10 years ago.
Others may buy some obscure brand from eastern block countries that I may not have access to.


I'll give you 2 examples in the calibers we both shoot.
I never calculate the price of brass since mine is all range pickup with the exception of my precision rifle brass which I buy Lapua.

My prices are in Canada before the panic so your pricing may be different.
You can also save money in some instances by shooting either plated or lead bullets.

.45 ACP Winchester Large Pistol Primers $30.00/1,000
Titegroup Powder $20.00/LB 4.5gr load. (7,000gr/LB)
Zero brand 230gr bullets $117.00/1,000
$0.16/round or $7.99/box of 50

CCI small rifle primers $32.00/1,000
IMR XBR (8208) Powder $209.00/8LB Jug. 25gr load
Hornady 55gr FMJ $569.00/6,000
$0.22/round $4.40/box of 20

You can then enter them in this calculator.

http://ultimatereloader.com/tools/reloading-costs-calculator/

RugerBob
February 3, 2013, 07:55 AM
key thing is saving your brass.
1000 win large pistol- 34.00= 3,4 cents a primer.
7000 grains in a pound of powder. I use (for me) 7grains of Unique per round.
so I get 1000 rounds out of a pound.
I cast my own bullets. so its just electricity fee, that I don't add in.
Reuse the 900 rounds of brass I have on hand and get more when I find it cheap.

bds
February 3, 2013, 09:24 AM
45ACP (I used this reloading calculator (http://www.handloads.com/calc/loadingCosts.asp)):

200 gr SWC (MBC (http://www.missouribullet.com/details.php?prodId=56&category=5&secondary=13&keywords=), ZCast (http://www.zcastbulletz.com/order.html)): Shipped cost of $73 - $86/1000 (order 2000 to save on shipping - Can also order MBC bullets from Powder Valley (http://www.powdervalleyinc.com/) for ~$83/1000).
Tula LP primer: my last gun show price was less than $18
4.0 gr Promo: my last gun show price was $95
Cost: Less than $0.10/round, $5/50, $100/1000


200 gr SWC: Shipped cost of $73 - $86/1000 (MBC (http://www.missouribullet.com/details.php?prodId=56&category=5&secondary=13&keywords=), ZCast (http://www.zcastbulletz.com/order.html))
Winchester LP primer - my last gun show price was $20
5.0 gr W231/HP-38 - my last gun show price was $129
Cost: Slightly more than $0.10/round, $5/50, $105/1000


If I were to obtain components now, it would be higher/harder but:

200 gr SWC: Shipped cost of $73 - $86/1000 (MBC (http://www.missouribullet.com/details.php?prodId=56&category=5&secondary=13&keywords=), ZCast (http://www.zcastbulletz.com/order.html))
Primers: ~$40/1000 (wherever/however you can get it)
4.0 gr Promo/Red Dot: $90 or $106/8 lbs + HazMat (Powder Valley (http://www.powdervalleyinc.com/) has both in stock)
Cost: Slightly more than $0.12/round, $6/50, $120/1000


Powder Valley also has Green Dot in stock ($106/8 lbs) and I have suggested it as a substitute powder for W231/HP-38 before.
From 2004 Alliant load data (glarp.atk.com/2004/2004Catalogs/2004AlliantPowderSM.pdf)
http://www.thehighroad.org/attachment.php?attachmentid=179004&stc=1&d=1359903274

Dlowe167
February 3, 2013, 09:41 AM
Thanks all. About what i expected. About half or lesss of what im payin at wal-mart. There its .30-.40 cents a bullet. That justifies loading my own too me. I estimate buying press & supplies about $1k. Going Dillon 550B

Queen_of_Thunder
February 3, 2013, 11:19 AM
As usual in these calculations the value of one's time and the cost of the equipment,setup,cleanup and its upkeep is left out. I seriously doubt that you can match factory produced ammo in cost.

What reloading does do very well is to allow the reloader to customize a load to a gun they shoot. This is by far the real value in reloading.

RustyFN
February 3, 2013, 11:40 AM
As usual in these calculations the value of one's time and the cost of the equipment,setup,cleanup and its upkeep is left out. I seriously doubt that you can match factory produced ammo in cost.

What reloading does do very well is to allow the reloader to customize a load to a gun they shoot. This is by far the real value in reloading.

I figure my time in. It goes something like this.

Primers = $15 per 1,000
Powder = $12 per pound
Brass = free
Bullets = free, I cast my own with free lead I get

Total for 45 auto = $25 per 1,000 rounds.

Factory 45 auto around $450 per 1,000.

I can cast, size/lube and load 1,000 rounds in around 7 hours.
So it looks like I got paid around $60 per hour to reload that 1,000 rounds.

Queen_of_Thunder
February 3, 2013, 12:13 PM
Show me where I can find primers and powder at those prices. Dont forget sales tax and and HazMat fees. If you drove to the LGS to pick up supplies you need to add in your time,cost of gas and maintance costs for your vehicle. As far as lead prices its no longer free. Places you used to get it from such as tire shops are charging you for it if they are still allowed to do so since some areas require a state license to transfer lead. You also didn't include electricity,space to cast or the cost of equipment. Brass cant be considered free as it has to be processed before reusing it and that costs time and money.

mjsdwash
February 3, 2013, 12:28 PM
9mm mak lrn $5
38 spl lrn $7
9mm fmj $8
45 acp fmj $9
5.56 fmj $5 (20)
price per fifety, rounded up the the nearest dollar, using mostly precision delta, or bulletworks.net bullets and locally sourced powder, and primers.

oh and dont load enough 45 colt to remember, but i think it was around 6 or 7 $ per box. Save about 75 percent with local prices.

Reefinmike
February 3, 2013, 01:54 PM
I cast my own bullets, so bullets are free. with all the prep work involved, I can pump out about a thousand bullets in two hours.

powder and primers I order in bulk twice a year from powdervalley. last go was 5k tula srp and 5k tula lpp for $20.50/k and 5 pounds of hp38 for $16/lb. shipping and hazmat worked out to $50. split that up between primers and powder and you can adjust the primer price to $23/k and powder to $21 a pound.

380 auto- 3.0gr powder for .9 cent and a primer for 2.3 cents. 3.2 cents a shot and $1.60/box
38 special- 3.4gr powder for 1 cent and a primer for 2.3 cents. 3.3 cents a shot and $1.65/box
45 acp- 4.9gr powder for 1.5 cents and a primer for 2.3 cents. 3.8 cents a shot and $1.90/box
357 magnum-(i use plated bullets for these) bullet- 10 cents, 7.0gr powder 2.1 cents primer 2.3 cents. 14.4 cents a shot and $7.20 per box
223- dont shoot my AR much at all nor have I loaded for it in a while... but 10cents/bullet, ~7.5cents per powder charge(ive used various powders, h335, win748, varget) and 2.3cents per primer. works out to 19.8 cents per shot and $3.96/box

If the panic is over by the time I blow through the ~700 rounds of 223(probably a year), im just going to start buying cheap wolf from aim down the road for $4.50 a box. 223 plinking ammo isnt worth the time or trouble for me if I can pay the russians $.50 per box to make it for me.

v8stang289
February 3, 2013, 02:08 PM
I don't factor in the cost of brass in my reloads because I saved brass for years before I started reloading and I am still using that brass.

That said, my current cost to reload 45acp is 17 cents a round and 38 special is 15 cents a round. I use Rainer plated bullets, CCI primers, and Unique powder in both.

My current cost to reload .223 is 35 cents a round using Varget, Sierra Match Kings, and CCI primers.

Having to purchase brass increases reloading costs, but with low pressure cases like 45 acp and 38 special the cases last long enough that the cost increase per round is not substantial.

steelerdude99
February 3, 2013, 02:11 PM
I cast my own bullets, so bullets are free. with all the prep work involved, I can pump out about a thousand bullets in two hours.



Reefinmike,
What about the price for the lead to make the bullets? And can you answer this ... Why are my car's tires missing their weights? (just kidding :)).

chuck

Litefoot
February 3, 2013, 02:16 PM
You know, it's not always about the money saving. Pre-hysteria, I loaded .223/5.56 for maybe a little bit less than what I'd pay for bulk ammo. But the difference is that I now have rounds customized to my rifle that are heavier (77 gr vs 55 gr) and much more accurate and consistent than anything I could find in bulk. In addition, many of the doubts about the lethality of a .223 are squashed with use of a 40% larger bullet.

I should note that "heavier is more accurate" is not necessarily the norm, but it was in my happy situation.

noylj
February 3, 2013, 02:21 PM
Pardon the sarcasm...
"Cost per bullet"
Buy 100 bullets and divide the total price by 100.
Cost per round, that includes primer, powder, bullet, amortized cost of equipment, and any cases you need to buy (divided by the number of times you can reload the cases before you lose them or they crack).
Of course, at this time, after the re-immaculation of BHO, one is lucky to find any components available.
In other words, you are either a year too late or a year too early.

RustyFN
February 3, 2013, 02:45 PM
Show me where I can find primers and powder at those prices. Dont forget sales tax and and HazMat fees

I included shipping and hazmat in my price. I buy in bulk, 50,000 primers at a time under one hazmat and powder 48 pounds of powder at a time. This is my price today if they were in stock.



WOLF PRIMER LARGE PISTOL (BOXER) 5000/CS

Item Number: WONCLP Availability: Out of stock



Add to Cart

Price: $89.99

That's around $19 per 1,000 including shipping and hazmat.



WIN POWDER WST 8LB 2/CS

Item Number: WINWST8 Availability: Less than 5 in stock



Add to Cart

Price: $122.99

This comes out to around $16 per pound with shipping and hazmat.

If you drove to the LGS to pick up supplies you need to add in your time,cost of gas and maintance costs for your vehicle.

I don't it all gets delivered to my door. But you do need to figure that in for going to buy factory ammo.

As far as lead prices its no longer free. Places you used to get it from such as tire shops are charging you for it if they are still allowed to do so since some areas require a state license to transfer lead.

Sure it is. I can go down to two different tire stores in my area and get free WW's any time I want. I have 1,600 pounds on hand right now.

You also didn't include electricity,space to cast or the cost of equipment.

Don't be so sure you know more about me than I do. Yes I did figure electricity. As far as equipment cost I can sell all of it for 75% to 80% of what I paid for it all so how much do you want me to figure?

Brass cant be considered free as it has to be processed before reusing it and that costs time and money.

Yea three whole minutes to clean 500 pieces of 45 auto brass. I think that one is going to break the bank right there. Just because you can't or don't know how to buy components cheaper or load premium ammo at a cheap price don't start calling the people than can liars.

bluetopper
February 3, 2013, 02:53 PM
Factor in the cost of one's time reloading?......LOL

Reloading for me is an enjoyable hobby, kind of like my own private laboratory. To me it is not a chore or something I have to figure in my time as monetary. I think the majority of reloaders feel the same way.

Dlowe167
February 3, 2013, 03:11 PM
Well got more time on my hands then any man should have. Lost leg in motorcycle wreck 2 years ago,in between jobs. Great detail all involved. The idea is to invest by buying in bulk,like most things are. Thanks for input,happy & safety shooting!

RustyFN
February 3, 2013, 03:38 PM
Sorry to hear about your leg. The reality for most people is without getting involved in casting and buying in bulk you should be able to load for at least 50% of factory price. The best part is if you buy smart you will be shooting when the ammo shelves are empty in the stores. For me reloading is very relaxing, you end up with better ammo, you have ammo when you want it or need it and the money savings is just the icing on the cake.

gab909
February 3, 2013, 03:40 PM
If I factor in my time, it is not worth going to the bathroom. My time for reloading is the same as it is for going to 5 different stores twice a week to look for loaded ammunition. If I order on line, it comes staight to my door. If I go to the nearest wholesaler, it is a 1.5 hour drive, therefore paying higher prices and spending gas and time. Time reloading is time not spent sitting on my a$$ in front of the Television. Since my wife doesn't have to help with the new 650 loading brass, like she loads the hulls on my Ponsness Warrens (shotgun), she helps resize .223's while I load pistol rounds. She feels part of and not just shooting the finished product. Whether it is at the range or out in the field chasing birds/deer/turkey or whatever may be in season.

Magnum Shooter
February 3, 2013, 03:47 PM
As usual in these calculations the value of one's time and the cost of the equipment,setup,cleanup and its upkeep is left out. I seriously doubt that you can match factory produced ammo in cost.

You have got to be kidding.

Last fall I reloaded 500 rds of 357mag with Winchester 125g JHP bullets. The total cost came to $170.64, that includes powder, brass, primers, bullets, and all shipping and haz-mat charges. I did not include the cost of the lights I had on because I would have used them anyway.
The lowest price I can find for Winchester is $45/box of 50, total for 500 is $450. Thus my savings of $279.36 would most certainly cover the cost of my time and the paper towel I used to wipe down the press afterwards. The upkeep on a Dillon press (and others as well) is covered by the manufacturer, FREE.

Lost Sheep
February 3, 2013, 03:53 PM
I factor my time spent loading as a curiosity. It's my choice.

I factor my time spent shooting, too. I find it is still WAY cheaper than racing sports cars or the cost of a therapist.

Running the numbers satisfies my curiosity. If including my time in the cost of my handloads makes them appear to cost more than store-bought, so be it. I don't care.

Here's a homily for you:

The fish I catch might cost more than the fish I buy;
The veggies I grow might cost more than the those I buy;
The ammunition I shoot might cost more than retail;
Why do I fish, garden and handload?

If you have to ask why, you probably won't understand; these activities enrich my life.

Lost Sheep

Reefinmike
February 3, 2013, 03:57 PM
guys, whats better- 9mm or 45? :D

Lost Sheep
February 3, 2013, 04:04 PM
I wanna start reloading,so im curious of savings. Id normally shoot 1000-2000 rds a month. I shoot .44spl,.45acp,.45Lc,.40,.410,.223/5.56 Whats your guys average per bang/shot?
When I bought my first gun in 1975, I also bought a reloading setup. There was never any question about it and I shot a lot less than 1,000 rounds a month. No way could I afford over-the-counter ammo and my reloads cost 1/4 what factory ammo cost. I did not figure in my time then.

My advice: Do it. Do it now.

You did not ask about brand or press type so this will be short.

The .410 will require a shotshell press. As far as I know, presses designed for metallic cartridges will not do shotgun shells. All your other chamberings can be done on the same press simply by swapping die sets and shell holder.

Single Stage Press up to 60 rounds per hour
Turret Press up to 250 rounds per hour, though 150 is more common.
Progressive Press depends on the model. Cheapest will do up to 250 and on up to 1,000 for the more sophisticated models.

Good luck.

Lost Sheep

James2
February 3, 2013, 04:10 PM
It used to be reloads cost about half what factory ammo costs. With the current trend of panic buying, I don't know what you will find.

I cast my own bullets and get the lead free. Cost out of pocket then is for a little fuel, primers, and powder. I am at around $0.06 per shot for 45 ACP. Of course that is considering I had the powder and primers before the prices went crazy. (primers $28/1000 and powder $19 lb.)

Lost Sheep
February 3, 2013, 04:12 PM
guys, whats better- 9mm or 45? :D
What's your criteria for "better"?

Cost? 9mm uses less lead and powder than 45, so costs a bit less per round.

Savings? 9mm has been the cartridge with the slimmest savings, but occasionally I have found 45 ACP on sale for less than I could buy the components alone.

Convenience? 45 ACP is a bit easier to load physically because the 9mm is a tapered case and 45ACP is straight-walled. Even though the 45 is larger, the 9 takes a bit more force on the handle. Also the larger components are easier to manipulate with my fingers and it is easier to SEE the powder charge in the bottom of the 45 case than the 9mm.

Satisfaction? The 45 is more satisfying. The momentum of those 230 grain slugs at 850 fps just FEELS more satisfying to the palm of my gun hand than 115 grains at 1,150.

Lost Sheep

Reefinmike
February 3, 2013, 04:24 PM
What's your criteria for "better"?

Cost? 9mm uses less lead and powder than 45, so costs a bit less per round.

Savings? 9mm has been the cartridge with the slimmest savings, but occasionally I have found 45 ACP on sale for less than I could buy the components alone.

Convenience? 45 ACP is a bit easier to load physically because the 9mm is a tapered case and 9mm is straight-walled. Even though the 45 is larger, the 9 takes a bit more force on the handle. Also the larger components are easier to manipulate with my fingers and it is easier to SEE the powder charge in the bottom of the 45 case than the 9mm.

Satisfaction? The 45 is more satisfying. The momentum of those 230 grain slugs at 850 fps just FEELS more satisfying to the palm of my gun hand than 115 grains at 1,150.

Lost Sheep
I was being facetious... The argument of factoring time into cost of reloading is almost as old as the whole "whats better- 45 or 9mm" (in terms of a defensive pistol).

Sorry I had you reply a nice big explanation! though I agree, you know the 45 means business when you feel those 230 grain hunks of lead leaving the barrel. that being said, I only carry a tiny 7 shot 380 but the 1911 stays on the night stand.

Dlowe167
February 3, 2013, 05:53 PM
Thats good u include the wife,lost sheep. Every guy would agree including the women help justify the cost to the woman,makin it easier to get the toys we want. Ya i never factor in time,just do stuff while im watchin tv. But i did think of the 9mm being harder cause its tapered,good point. The shotgun press is next SL900 dillon,just gettin my feet wet now with the handgun press.

GLOOB
February 4, 2013, 06:16 PM
Gas checked cast boolits:
223 = 13.6 cents per cartridge
Steel cased Wolf is around 22.5 cents per, if you buy it @4.50 per box.
My 55gr Hornady SP reloads were costing about 23 cents per, and I shot probably 1200 of them last year. That's a savings of 120 a year.

7mm-08 = 17.4 cents per cartridge
Good luck finding anything remotely comparable in factory ammo or even jacketed reloads. I was looking at around 30 cents just for projectiles when I decided to start casting.

The cost of the bullets is dramatically reduced, esp for 7mm projectiles. And there's approx 20-25% reduction in powder charge/cost.

This is including shipping and hazmat, buying at least 5k primers and 8 lbs powder at a time (at PV prices), and using realistic figures for the price of lead for those who don't have connections or scavenge scrapyards in their spare time. 1.80/lb for linotype, shipped. 1.50/lb for cleaned wheel weight ingots, shipped. And notice that for me, buying lead is SIMPLER than stocking up on bullets. Bullets are the one thing I'm hesitant to stock up on too deep, whereas powder, primers, and lead alloy are pan-caliber commodities.

Bonus is at the lower pressures, I rarely have to trim my brass. I just have to make sure to check that my shooting area is free of OPB. (Other People's Brass).

MRH
February 4, 2013, 06:26 PM
Great hobby with at least 2 times more shooting for the money. I try to use my own cast bullets, and surplus powders, when possible, for additional savings.

Can't go wrong with the Dillon 550B. In addition to the conversion kits for each handgun or rifle cartridge, I'd recommend an extra tool head and powder die for each, so you don't have to fool around switching dies all the time. And 3 extra primer tubes for both small and large primers. Plan your loading to group primer sizes together. For me it takes longer to switch out primers sizes on the press than anything else.

evan price
February 4, 2013, 06:39 PM
Ok queen of thunder. I'll play.
38 special.
Brass case...free. I buy bulk brass and resell what I don't use and that covers all brass related
expenses.
Bullet...free. I recover backstop lead from my shooting club range. I do it as one of the membership work shares. I smelt the lead and sell the recovered copper jackets for enough to cover all costs associated with the bullet. I cast a 158 grain lead semi wadcutter.
Powder...half-penny per shot. Alliant promo in 8# jug. $10 per pound. I can get 2000 per pound.
Primer...two cents each wolf brand.
So that means I can shoot 38 specials for two and one half cents per shot. That's less than 22lr nowadays. And that price holds for nearly any nonmagnum caliber. For magnums the only difference is more powder and an extra half cent or so.

Euipment was bought used or new at a discount and has a residual value of 100 percent of what I paid for it.

As to time spent...I enjoy my hobbies as they are a great way to remove stress. So from a quality of life standpoint my relaxation and stress relief is worth more than working and is priceless.

cfullgraf
February 4, 2013, 06:52 PM
I reload during free time, so my time is free.

It is really easy to figure in something worth zero.

When I got into reloading 30 some years ago, I obsessed over what i was saving reloading. Every calculation I did said my cost per round was less than store bought ammunition.

I have not wasted my time calculating the cost since. My time is more valuable cranking out reloaded ammunition.

Lost Sheep
February 5, 2013, 02:23 AM
Ok queen of thunder. I'll play.
38 special.
Brass case...free. I buy bulk brass and resell what I don't use and that covers all brass related
expenses.
Bullet...free. I recover backstop lead from my shooting club range. I do it as one of the membership work shares. I smelt the lead and sell the recovered copper jackets for enough to cover all costs associated with the bullet. I cast a 158 grain lead semi wadcutter.
Powder...half-penny per shot. Alliant promo in 8# jug. $10 per pound. I can get 2000 per pound.
Primer...two cents each wolf brand.
So that means I can shoot 38 specials for two and one half cents per shot. That's less than 22lr nowadays. And that price holds for nearly any nonmagnum caliber. For magnums the only difference is more powder and an extra half cent or so.

Euipment was bought used or new at a discount and has a residual value of 100 percent of what I paid for it.

As to time spent...I enjoy my hobbies as they are a great way to remove stress. So from a quality of life standpoint my relaxation and stress relief is worth more than working and is priceless.
Evan, "You da MAN". I admire your system. Self-sustaining, recycling and you obviously enjoy doing it and have tuned it to a fine point. Admirable.

Lost Sheep

thump_rrr
February 5, 2013, 06:03 AM
My going rate is $80.00 per hour.
I enjoy my work but there are days when I will turn down extra work to just sit in front of my reloading bench and make ammunition.
Could I just go to work and use the money to buy ammunition?
Possibly but it will not be as precise as the ammunition that is custom tailored for my guns.
Will working that extra day change my life? Probably not.

Some people live to work while others work to live.
I know a person who cannot possibly go through all the money he has made in his lifetime without a substantial effort.
We sometimes go to the range together. I may fire off 500 or so pistol rounds and a few hundred .223's through my AR and have a great time while he will put a box or 2 of ammo downrange and start to calculate how much money he's wasting.

Not everything in life can be calculated by the price it costs.
Most of our fondest memories though priceless probably didn't cost a thing.

Dlowe167
February 7, 2013, 12:29 PM
Heart warming,Thump. But wasnt the question

Kachok
February 8, 2013, 12:46 AM
30-06 as with most of my high powered rifles runs me right at $.50 each for quality Serria/Speer stuff. The cost of the bullets is most of it I get most of my brass for free and I buy primers/powders in bulk. I don't bulk load for handgun so I don't know what home made 45 ACP or 9mm goes for nowadays, I only load them with premium bullets for SD.

rmaisonp
February 8, 2013, 02:11 PM
if you're shooting large caliber rifles as I do: 338win, 375HH, 458lott then cost of reloading is so much smaller than store bought it doesn't even rate keeping track. for instance, store bought hornady 458 Lott runs about $5 per round! I shoot the cheap 405gr remington flat nose and it's a tiger so I don't shoot too many rounds.

targetshooter22
February 8, 2013, 03:40 PM
The saying I was taught when I started reloading was you don't save money, you shoot more. The theory is that you only have so much for ammo, and you can spend it on ammo, equipment, or components. That said, I find strong cost justification for any rifle cartridge, and any pistol cartridge OTHER than 9mm. For quality, there is absolutely no comparison. Pre-panic of 2008, my "standard" cost on 44 mag black powder was about $.12 each based on bulk purchase of powder ($8/LB at the time, doubled since), primers, used brass (functional infinite life), and cast bullets (free wheel weights and salvage lead - another thing that is possible but harder now). My 308 and 243 reloads are probably running around .40-.50 each, largely due to bullet and premium primer cost.

The calculator link above seems well suited to this sort of estimation.

For labor, unless you can prove you have a real opportunity cost, meaning time spent reloading would be time spent earning actual income, is free.

FWIW, the "value" in dollars is particularly evident with pistol calibers that begin with a "4" and rifle calibers not available as military surplus from com-block countries.

brickeyee
February 8, 2013, 03:47 PM
As usual in these calculations the value of one's time

Unless you have a paying job you could be doing instead of reloading your time has no value.

Do you count your time when you cook your meals in the cost of the meal?

silicosys4
February 8, 2013, 03:59 PM
I shoot .38spcl for a little more than what .22lr was going for pre-panic, or about $45/1k.
If I'm not being lazy and go dig lead out of the hillside to reload with I pay about $35/1k, due to not having to pay $0.50/lb for wheel weights.

My first 1k of .38 spcl was about twice as much though, about $100/1k because of the initial brass investment

Lo8080
February 8, 2013, 05:13 PM
Lost Sheep, That quote you made...

The fish I catch might cost more than the fish I buy;
The veggies I grow might cost more than the those I buy;
The ammunition I shoot might cost more than retail;
Why do I fish, garden and handload?
If you have to ask why, you probably won't understand; these activities enrich my life.

>is awesome and I will use that on my wife the next time she wants to discuss this new hobby I want to get into. Thanks.

thump_rrr
February 8, 2013, 07:02 PM
Heart warming,Thump. But wasnt the question
I was the first person to reply to your actual question in post # 2.
Post #33 was my reply to the Queen Of Thunder.

Lost Sheep
February 8, 2013, 10:14 PM
Lost Sheep, That quote you made...

The fish I catch might cost more than the fish I buy;
The veggies I grow might cost more than the those I buy;
The ammunition I shoot might cost more than retail;
Why do I fish, garden and handload?
If you have to ask why, you probably won't understand; these activities enrich my life.

>is awesome and I will use that on my wife the next time she wants to discuss this new hobby I want to get into. Thanks.
Just don't suggest that she won't understand. Leave that part out.

If you have to ask why....:eek:

Lost Sheep, Having successfully avoided the institute of marriage for 64 years, I am now qualified to give marital advice to anyone, any time, any where.

jcwit
February 8, 2013, 11:34 PM
I never count my time, I'm retired. But even when I owned my own business I never counted my free time such as when I traveled to and from work, ate whether it be breakfast, lunch, or dinner, nor the time I spent sleeping. Time spent with my family was never counted or those houres spent at my hobbies.

Most of my reloading equipment was salesmans samples or gifts for other reasons so no cost their. Some was purchased on the used market so little cost their.Probably have less than $500 invested in over 60 years of reloading.

Components? Almost all brass has been range pickups or trades for what was needed for my excess range pickups. Powder has been purchased on sales over the years, most for less than $10.00 a lb even with hazmet factored in. Primers I stocked up years ago at a dealer going out of business, he offered my primers for less than $50 bucks a sleeve (5000), I purchased all he had, and believe it he had a bunch. Same goes for .22 rimfire, sales years ago for $6 to $8.00 a brick, some even $5.00 a brick.

Probable have more than I'll ever shoot up.

Have not purchased any ammo or components during this or the last panic.

Oh Ya, bullets, mostly cast my own.

Life is good.

frankmako
February 9, 2013, 02:10 AM
bottom line is reloading is cheaper than buying new. but the problem is getting started. that is where your costs will be. the cost of reloading equipment and small items needed. then you got to get primers, powder, bullets, and cases. most people will have the cases from range pickup and what they shot from factory ammo. so that leaves primers, powder, and bullets. all hard to get now and when you find any the price has gone way to high. but you to start somewhere.

WSO
February 10, 2013, 11:20 PM
Hello,
For those concerned about time. I mfg ammo for a living. If you are not reloading you are really wasting your money. On some calibers I make very little profit on other calibers I could make you cry. I am making a profit using new brass so hands down you should be saving alot of money reloading your own. For those that keep asking about adding your personal time to the cost that's not the way to look at it, its a hobby. Until you are doing it for a career it is a hobby. Do it for fun and do it to save money. Plus another good reason to roll your own is the ability to load combinations that the big factories do not offer, ie. 25-06 VMax, 7mm-08 VMax, 30-06 VMax point being you have the ability to customize your rounds to fit your rifle and your needs. Don't' let the ammo companies decide what type of shooting you want to do with your firearm.

RustyFN
February 11, 2013, 10:52 AM
time is the one thing that nobody has enough of, ever. So heck yes I count my time! That is why I cast with a couple of 6-cavity Lee molds, keep them hot with a hot plate (if stop for a break, etc)melt 100 lbs of lead at a time in a plumber's furnace, use a Star Progressive sizer-luber, and buy wheelweights by the 35 gallon drum, at scrapyards. I can turn out 700 finished bullets an hour, counting the melt time and wheelweight 'cleanup". that is with the time for those things and picking up the lead, etc factored in, too.

Watch Ebay, and you can often get the big Lee progressive press for well under $300. It will load 700 rds an hour, and if you add the bullet feeder device, it will reach 1000 rds per hour. I am not going to work my butt off to 'save" $5 an hour, which is what you are doing with a 2 cavity mold, regular lube sizer, and single station press. Before I'd cast or reload like that, I'd go clean up yards, etc, charge $20 an hour, and pay for commercial cast bullet reloads.

Just curious, when you go shooting do you shoot with a gun in each hand so you can shoot in half the time?

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