Armalite AR-10 4ABF


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moonzapa
February 3, 2013, 12:11 PM
Let me have it...did I do okay purchasing a Armalite AR-10 in .308? I got it so that I got one before they became extinct in America. I know there are other brands out there, DPMS, Bushmaster, Knight, Colt, etc.

I will use it for hunting hogs and home security.

I just would like to know what the general concensus of this rifle is from dudes that are knowledgeable in this area.

Thanks! :)

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navajo
February 3, 2013, 12:14 PM
Can'tcomment on other brands, never owned one.
I have owned 7 armalites, still have the NM version.
Zero complaints from any of the seven.

moonzapa
February 3, 2013, 12:30 PM
This isn't a loaded question, no pun intended. I've always have used bolt guns and have one other semi auto. The other semi auto I have is tough to clean because of no cleaning rod access to the bore, got to use a cable cleaning system.

Thanks for response Navajo.

Jackal1
February 3, 2013, 12:32 PM
Overall seems like a good rifle. Not finished as nicely as a S&W M&P15 series, but functionally seems A-ok. I bought mine for hog & deer, as well as for the occasional hunt for slightly bigger game out West or in Alaska where my brothers live.

If you got the B-series you need to use Armalite's magazines or converted M14 magazines. If you got the A-series you can use Pmag 308 or DPMS magazines.

They recently had a batch of the A-series where the upper receiver machining was mis-toleranced. If you slide out the rear takedown pin and attempt to rotate the upper receiver around the forward takedown pin. If you hear grinding & see aluminum flakes STOP, and send it back for them to correct the machining tolerance.... It'll fire ok with the machining mis-tolerance, but the receivers grind on each other when you try to disassemble.

cheers

navajo
February 3, 2013, 12:35 PM
Claning any of the Stoner designs is not a problem.

moonzapa
February 3, 2013, 12:51 PM
Overall seems like a good rifle. Not finished as nicely as a S&W M&P15 series, but functionally seems A-ok. I bought mine for hog & deer, as well as for the occasional hunt for slightly bigger game out West or in Alaska where my brothers live.

If you got the B-series you need to use Armalite's magazines or converted M14 magazines. If you got the A-series you can use Pmag 308 or DPMS magazines.

They recently had a batch of the A-series where the upper receiver machining was mis-toleranced. If you slide out the rear takedown pin and attempt to rotate the upper receiver around the forward takedown pin. If you hear grinding & see aluminum flakes STOP, and send it back for them to correct the machining tolerance.... It'll fire ok with the machining mis-tolerance, but the receivers grind on each other when you try to disassemble.

cheers
Thanks Jackal...I wish I knew about the metal machining issues before I bought this one. My new rifle model number is: AR-10A4BF. It appears this is an A version. Should I contact Armalite with the serial number of this piece and see if it needs work done for tolerances?
Thanks!

Reloadron
February 3, 2013, 01:58 PM
This is my Armalite AR 10 rifle. I have had it for quite some time. I did not buy it for hunting. However, it does very, very well at match shooting which was the intended application. Needless to say the barrel and sights are not original. Before I bought something to build on I placed considerable time into the selection. I am not saying Armalite is any better than other .308 in the AR 10 family. I am saying I have been happy with what I have for a long time and never saw a reason to change. I still have my original barrel for that rifle that was never really fired. So personally, I like Armalite.

http://bearblain.com/images/AR10%202.png

http://bearblain.com/images/AR%2010%20Scope.png

Absolutely follow up on what Jackal1 has shared as to recent Armalite problems. Do the simple test he suggested.

Ron

moonzapa
February 3, 2013, 02:35 PM
I like your Armalite, Reloadron. I sent an e-mail to Armalite and made an inquiry with them regarding the tolerance issue, gave them the serial number on my rifle. I will follow up and call them on Tuesday.

I've already ordered a Armalite 1" scope ring assembly; will most likely change the forend with a 4-picatinny rail system.

I was under the impression that "Armalite" was IT. Evidently, I didn't do my homework well enough. I'm reading that DPMS, Colt, and some other brands may manufacture a higher quality piece.

Thanks for the comments and I will post later after I get the rifle home.

Jackal1
February 3, 2013, 02:39 PM
My new rifle model number is: AR-10A4BF. It appears this is an A version. Should I contact Armalite with the serial number of this piece and see if it needs work done for tolerances?


I looked up Armalite's model number coding and it appears your model number is probably a B-series. The 'A4' in your model number designates a flat top upper receiver. You can check if you have an A-series by looking on your lower receiver underneath the Armalite Logo and see if it says: 'AR-10A'.

You don't need to send your rifle in for repairs unless there is an obvious problem. It is blatantly obvious whether or not you have the problem as soon as you attempt to rotate the upper for disassembly and the aluminum starts creaking from the stresses.

It isn't a bad thing if you do have a B-series model. You won't be able to use Pmags, but many people prefer the Armalite magazines for their smoothness in feeding. I've heard other people refer to their smoothness as 'ballbearing-like'.

Regarding your comment about other AR brands.... Armalite is not a bottom-rung manufacturer. I would say the Armalite AR-10 is one of the best for tinkering because you can find numerous parts for it that aren't available for some other AR308 pattern rifles made by other manufacturers. I also have to give a high-five to Armalite for giving out lots of tech support documents on their web page.

cheers.

dvdcrr
February 3, 2013, 02:51 PM
I would put the armalite ar10 higher in the 308 pecking order than I would put the arm. M15 in the 5.56 pecking order. The ar10's have very reliable function, and do not use 6061 alloy in the receiver.

blkbrd666
February 3, 2013, 03:45 PM
There's nothing wrong with the Armalite, after all, it's where the AR in AR10, AR15, etc. came from. How bad did it hurt your wallet in all this madness?

FrankCastleThePunisher
February 3, 2013, 03:56 PM
Armalite makes a mighty fine AR 10 rifle. I've had no issues with my AR10 SASS.

moonzapa
February 3, 2013, 04:05 PM
There's nothing wrong with the Armalite, after all, it's where the AR in AR10, AR15, etc. came from. How bad did it hurt your wallet in all this madness?
I paid far too much for it, got the bid on it in Gunbroker. The final number exceeded $2k. Glad to hear that many of you have had good performance from the Armalite AR-10, it's very reassuring after spending so much denero that you have something to show for the green spent.

moonzapa
February 3, 2013, 04:13 PM
Just a final note...I was able to decipher on the original shipping carton for my Armalite AR-10 the date of manufacture/shipping date to distributor was January 3, 2013. I'm hoping this batch of guns won't have any manufacturing issues to deal with.

Quentin
February 3, 2013, 04:19 PM
I would put the armalite ar10 higher in the 308 pecking order than I would put the arm. M15 in the 5.56 pecking order. The ar10's have very reliable function, and do not use 6061 alloy in the receiver.

Overall seems like a good rifle. Not finished as nicely as a S&W M&P15 series, but functionally seems A-ok. I bought mine for hog & deer, as well as for the occasional hunt for slightly bigger game out West or in Alaska where my brothers live.

If you got the B-series you need to use Armalite's magazines or converted M14 magazines. If you got the A-series you can use Pmag 308 or DPMS magazines...

I agree with the above. Though there are better choices in the AR-15 field, you really can't beat ArmaLite when looking for an AR-10, especially since they now have both the B version that uses M14 style magazines and the new A version that uses the original AR-10 mag like Knights Armament, Magpul and DPMS.

My first AR-15 had an ArmaLite upper and S&W lower. Later I got an ArmaLite stripped lower. The S&W is finished much nicer and has a much nicer flared magwell than the ArmaLite. The upper is long gone, replaced by Daniel Defense, BCM and PSA but I kept the lower. If I were buying an AR-10 style rifle it would be ArmaLite, probably the A version. I think you did very well, moonzapa!

moonzapa
February 3, 2013, 04:55 PM
I agree with the above. Though there are better choices in the AR-15 field, you really can't beat ArmaLite when looking for an AR-10, especially since they now have both the B version that uses M14 style magazines and the new A version that uses the original AR-10 mag like Knights Armament, Magpul and DPMS.

My first AR-15 had an ArmaLite upper and S&W lower. Later I got an ArmaLite stripped lower. The S&W is finished much nicer and has a much nicer flared magwell than the ArmaLite. The upper is long gone, replaced by Daniel Defense, BCM and PSA but I kept the lower. If I were buying an AR-10 style rifle it would be ArmaLite, probably the A version. I think you did very well, moonzapa!
Thanks for all the enthusiastic endorsement's. I should have it soon. Got to go my FFL dude and pick it up. I'm thinking of loading Hornady 150 SST's, seating/crimping them at the cannelure. I appreciate the "informed" opinions.

Welding Rod
February 3, 2013, 06:20 PM
I was about to buy a LW 20" myself right before the panic struck. I missed out. But I still plan to get one once the prices come back down to normal... maybe in 6 months.

FrankCastleThePunisher
February 3, 2013, 11:44 PM
I paid far too much for it, got the bid on it in Gunbroker. The final number exceeded $2k. Glad to hear that many of you have had good performance from the Armalite AR-10, it's very reassuring after spending so much denero that you have something to show for the green spent.
That model runs close to $1600.00 on Armalite website, so you didn't pay double or triple like some rifles are going for on Gunbroker. That rifle use the Gen. 2 metal mags which are really good. Enjoy your Armalite AR10, you've got a good rifle.

madcratebuilder
February 4, 2013, 10:50 AM
Overall seems like a good rifle. Not finished as nicely as a S&W M&P15 series, but functionally seems A-ok. I bought mine for hog & deer, as well as for the occasional hunt for slightly bigger game out West or in Alaska where my brothers live.

If you got the B-series you need to use Armalite's magazines or converted M14 magazines. If you got the A-series you can use Pmag 308 or DPMS magazines.

They recently had a batch of the A-series where the upper receiver machining was mis-toleranced. If you slide out the rear takedown pin and attempt to rotate the upper receiver around the forward takedown pin. If you hear grinding & see aluminum flakes STOP, and send it back for them to correct the machining tolerance.... It'll fire ok with the machining mis-tolerance, but the receivers grind on each other when you try to disassemble.

cheers
Can you point out some documentation on this? I participate in several ArmaLite and 7.62 AR forums and this is the FIRST time I have heard of this.

From my experience ArmaLite has as good of fit and finish as any 7.62 AR on the market. I owned a LMT for awhile and while it was a very nice shooter it was not as nice as my Noveske/ArmaLite rifle.

ArmaLite offers there rifles in either mag pattern, the GenII M14 style or the old SR-25 style (Pmags)

Jackal1
February 4, 2013, 12:21 PM
Can you point out some documentation on this? I

Just my personal experience with my particular rifle. When I talked to the factory they were already aware of the issue but they believed just a small quantity (as in a couple) of the A-series rifles might be affected. It did not sound like a largescale problem. I don't have any major complaints, Armalite took good care of me in fixing the issue. I'm a happy customer :-)

Given the other options on the market I would still have bought the same rifle even if I knew ahead of time it might have a tolerance issue. I would have had it fixed by Armalite just like I did. Great customer service, no complaints from me. I encourage others to buy themself an AR-10 & enjoy it :-)

DAdams
February 4, 2013, 09:52 PM
I like mine. My Son says it shoots well.;)

moonzapa
February 6, 2013, 09:45 AM
I contacted Armalite Customer Service and received a response from Mario. Mario said there were tolerance issues with some of the early mfr AR-10's; he suggested that I simply check the fit, that if there were any issues that Armalite would take care of it.

My model, the AR-10A4BF is the "B" series and uses the metal, or the M-1A/M-14 style, magazines.

I attempted to make a load measurement for bullet seating, but need to get a Hornady comparator .308 cartridge. (couldn't trust what I was getting, bullets far too long). I have just about every other caliber except for the .308.

So far I'm favorably impressed with the build quality; not quite as nice as my FNAR, but I don't put credence in looks alone, shootability means more to me. I'm having issues with the bore on the FNAR, barrel appears to be blotchy. Any body have this experience?
Thanks!:)

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