Okay, does this mean this .22 will shoot auto with LR


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Grmlin
February 3, 2013, 01:55 PM
I have seen this on a Springfield 87A and was wondering if it means this rifle would actually shoot automatic with .22 long rifle and semi auto with short and long or is it that at the time these were made manufacturers were not worried about wording?

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351 WINCHESTER
February 3, 2013, 01:59 PM
It is single shot with all but long rifle as the shorts and longs don't have enough umph to work the action. It is semi auto with long rifles.

JohnM
February 3, 2013, 02:01 PM
NO. Just means it takes a LR to cycle the action.

jrmiddleton425
February 3, 2013, 02:18 PM
They could have just as easily worded it "Single load when using Short and Long,"

deadin
February 3, 2013, 02:26 PM
I believe they meant semi-auto with LR. The weaker rounds will require manually operating the bolt. They will still feed from the magazine. (i.e. Repeater, not Single Shot.)

JohnM
February 3, 2013, 02:30 PM
They could have just as easily worded it "Single load when using Short and Long,"

They had room to engrave the whole owners manual too.
People used to understand simple markings on something like a little 22 rifle.

Grmlin
February 3, 2013, 02:38 PM
Just making sure, when my father bought it in the Mid fifties while stationed in New Mexico, he had to have some work done on it because it went through ammo very fast.

22-rimfire
February 3, 2013, 03:55 PM
Shoot it and find out. But in general, it takes 22LR ammunition to cycle the action, but can also shoot shorts and longs as a single shot. You can go through ammunition very quickly in a semi-auto 22. It is relative.

OcelotZ3
February 3, 2013, 04:32 PM
When my father died he left an 87a action but no stock.

I found a tennite stock on eBay, but it only had one takedown screw included. And I couldn't find a source for the other one. So I made one out of an 8-32 screw & a couple of nuts jammed together. The nuts were necessary to keep the action together. It worked well for a while.

A few years later I was shooting it with a friend at the range and it went full auto, dumping almost the entire tube mag in less than a second and then jamming. The jammed nuts on the takedown screw weren't so jammed anymore, allowing the action to come slightly apart. I put it aside and when I got home, and created a custom takedown piece based more on the original design so that it wouldn't come loose. That, and some blue loctite to hold it together. Now it works as it should and it hasn't come loose since.

It was amazing seeing how quickly it would dump a tube mag.

Grmlin
February 3, 2013, 04:33 PM
I know very well how fast someone can go through ammo. I shot this particular model rifle a lot when I was a kid but I didn't read the barrel I can't remember having to cycle it back then but we may have been using LR. My father had said after he bought it he had to have it repaired so it wasn't illegal. Just wasn't sure if it had been a military trainer.

MedWheeler
February 3, 2013, 07:30 PM
Back then, the term "auto-loader" was as common, if not more so, than the term "semi-automatic", so that's probably what they were going for in the use of the word "automatic."

But Grmlin might have something there. Perhaps there were "fully-automatic" rifles made form that platform for military training purposes, and that these were later altered to be NFA-compliant.

Robbins290
February 4, 2013, 02:50 AM
My 78a went full auto too. I only tried long rifle in mine. And it worked in semi

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