For those of us who don't own a semiautomatic rifle.


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Mushy
February 3, 2013, 06:13 PM
I don't own an AR. I've had an SKS and a Mini-14 in the past, they have been traded away. At the moment I have no semiauto centerfire.

What's the forecast for when they will be back on the market?

What do you think the major manufacturers are going to do...will they keep cranking them out to meet the demand or will they slow down with an "AWB" looming.

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vongh
February 3, 2013, 06:29 PM
I suspect that most of the major manufactures will try to crank out as many as possible until some kind of ban takes full effect. If this happens it probably wont be long till some enterprise figures out what kind of loop holes they can get around to continue business.

Telekinesis
February 3, 2013, 06:46 PM
I for one don't think an AWB is going to pass, but from what I've heard others saying, it seems like it'll take around a year for prices to get back to what they were before everything went crazy. As far as when they'll be back on the market, it really depends on how much you want to spend.

I'm sure manufacturers are working as fast as they can to pump out new weapons. If you had a captive market who was willing to pay $2,000 for something that you could only get $800 for last month, wouldn't you be trying to sell as many as possible? Some of these manufacturers are looking at going out of business if an AWB passes, so I don't see them slowing production.

For a real world example, look at what happened when the 1986 FOPA was going into effect (banning the production and registration of new transferable machine guns). Manufacturers worked 24/7 to make and register new receivers before the deadline.

beatledog7
February 3, 2013, 06:49 PM
I do not own one, but I might pick up an AR when the guys who bought them in panic decide to sell them off.

gotigers
February 3, 2013, 07:13 PM
I don't think a ban will happen either. I think most agree. Prices are already dropping. On gunlist and other online gun sites, prices for an AR are $1200-$1600. 2 weeks ago they were all over $2000.

The market is saturated as far as owners go. Once inventory catches up, prices will fall. Supply and demand. I doubt prices or inventory will be back to last summer's numbers for a couple of years, but by summer or fall prices will be fairly normal. Maybe still a little high.

Unless there is another mass shooting. Then the preppers will swoop in again and start hoarding again.

Welding Rod
February 3, 2013, 07:17 PM
I think things will be back to normal more quickly than the last panic. There doesn't appear to be any good reason to think any bans can make it through the house, and the manufacturers knowing this, should continue pumping out guns and ammo like crazy. Particularly since there will be a second inevitable panic immendiately before the mid-term elections, when worry about the house turning will peak.

I think most enthusiasts are already pretty well stocked from the pre election panic a few months ago and again 4-some years ago.

As demand becomes met for those with new interests, those profiteers who horded up the current stock piles for resale purposes will not be able to mark it up in any meaningful way.

My prediction - Things should level out again fairly quickly, and stay that way for the next 12-18 months.

bds
February 3, 2013, 07:27 PM
I asked the same question to my LGS manager couple weeks back and he said probably 6 months according to his sources and maybe up to 1 year for certain brands/models all dependent on their manufacturing/parts sourcing.

He only has .22 LR caliber rifles on the walls and all the semi-auto rifles were sold out as of last month.

browneu
February 3, 2013, 08:31 PM
It will level out. Unfortunately it will take time for it to get back to normal. Like others state it could be up to a year depending on what you want.

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tarheel
February 3, 2013, 08:42 PM
The thing that bothers me is how some of the LGS are trying their best to "keep the panic" stirred up. All the while continuing to raise their prices.

788Ham
February 4, 2013, 12:38 AM
..... and those are the ones who won't get a nickel from me!

TIMC
February 4, 2013, 12:51 AM
..... and those are the ones who won't get a nickel from me!

Me either but with the amount of people that will I don't think it really matters if we will or not!

Jackal
February 4, 2013, 02:19 AM
I for one am glad I sold mine at insane panic prices... $2500 for a rifle I paid $1300 for new, yup, sold.:D

Girodin
February 4, 2013, 02:31 AM
Well there are really only a few possibilities. 1) No AWB or the like will pass and prices will come down and eventually level off. If the 2009 panic is any indication, market saturation and decreased demand may well result in prices being better than they were prior to the panic. 2) An AWB does pass and you either loose the ability to transfer or acquire such guns at all and the legal market for them ceases to exist, or they will dramatically increase in value a la machine guns after the registry was closed. 3) An AWB passes but is struck down by the courts, the long terms results of which would look like number 1. 4) A ban passes but it eventually is repealed or expires and thus in the short term it looks like 2 but long term like number 1.

My guess is number 1.

chris in va
February 4, 2013, 02:33 AM
One of the best semiauto's ever made can be had for $650 and is available right now. They'll even deliver to your door provided you meet a few requirements.

Alaska444
February 4, 2013, 02:36 AM
One of the best semiauto's ever made can be had for $650 and is available right now. They'll even deliver to your door provided you meet a few requirements.
OK, I will bite, what is it? I am thinking I would most like a Ruger Mini 14.

toivo
February 4, 2013, 03:11 AM
One of the best semiauto's ever made can be had for $650 and is available right now. They'll even deliver to your door provided you meet a few requirements.

OK, I will bite, what is it? I am thinking I would most like a Ruger Mini 14.

I'm thinking it starts with "G" and ends with "and."

nfafan
February 4, 2013, 03:24 AM
Not going to speculate any return to normalcy - but if anyone thinks "we've won" and the ban won't happen is whistling thru the graveyard.

I have never seen the anti's this foaming mad and determined over getting their ban passed since the 80's - and we didn't have the 'net to communicate with back then to compare notes.

They are trotting out any/every victim they can, manipulating news as they see fit, demonizing the NRA and any pro-2A proponents. We need to pour it on.

Anyway, sorry to threadjack.

Alaska444
February 4, 2013, 03:40 AM
I'm thinking it starts with "G" and ends with "and."
Does it rhyme with M1? Hmm, heavy 30-06 at 9.5 pounds isn't it?

Hapworth
February 4, 2013, 10:02 AM
One of the best semiauto's ever made can be had for $650 and is available right now. They'll even deliver to your door provided you meet a few requirements.
"Coy": making a pretense of shyness or modesty that is intended to be alluring but is often regarded as irritating (esp. of a woman). ;)

HankR
February 4, 2013, 10:23 AM
Does it rhyme with M1? Hmm, heavy 30-06 at 9.5 pounds isn't it?

Ever considered "the best implement of battle ever devised"? Yeah it's heavy, but I prefer it over the plastic guns. Especially now at 1/3 the price.

TenDriver
February 4, 2013, 12:15 PM
Did they start making 30 rd en-blocs? ;)

For the "don't have an AR" crowd, you can qualify and buy an M1 along with a few cans of HXP for what those ARs are going for at the moment.

Hapworth
February 4, 2013, 12:58 PM
Did they start making 30 rd en-blocs? ;)

For the "don't have an AR" crowd, you can qualify and buy an M1 along with a few cans of HXP for what those ARs are going for at the moment.
Virtually all new ARs are going for one half to twice their MSRP or more right now. Used ARs, shockingly, are fetching similar.

So for a bargain basement $600 AR, we're talking starting at around $1200.

So $1200 for an M1 and some cans of HXP, if I understand correctly. Where's the $650 one chris in va was talking about?

SFsc616171
February 4, 2013, 03:37 PM
"For those of us who don't own a semiautomatic rifle.
I don't own an AR. I've had an SKS and a Mini-14 in the past, they have been traded away. At the moment I have no semiauto centerfire.
What's the forecast for when they will be back on the market?
What do you think the major manufacturers are going to do...will they keep cranking them out to meet the demand or will they slow down with an "AWB" looming."

The current semi-automatic rifle niche of the firearm world has grown to become known as 'the firearm world'!

Ban or not, I think folks have been doing some evaluations of their particular point-of-view, within the realm of firearms.

'Tacticool' is fine by me, for those so inclined. I am not.

Now, we have had the 'Wicked witch of the West' writing her messages in the sky for Dorothy - the semi-auto rifle owner.

Throughout history, when things come along, and then those things get designed a little different, there are always a bunch of folks that latch onto the different design, until something happens, and those same folks become left out in the cold. Examples: the Edsel; the Corvair; the 1975 Chevy Monza GT; Betamax, the somewhat new .327 revolver round.

I have shot, owned, become owners of, and let go of, semi-automatic rifles. I might be weird, but after three years in SouthEast Asia and ten years total, with my part in The Cold War, they just don't evoke any stirrings of possessing one inside me. I like revolver-caliber leverguns, because they are lighter than a good SMLE '200-yarder' in .303 British, and I can still purchase more .357 Magnum cartridges, for a near-equal dollar value of .303 British ammunition.

How is the market affected with the Obama/Feinstein kabuki opera? Like all of business has been affected by these guys.

For example, simple leverguns that were $450.00, are now demanding $575.00!!! Will the price of semi-autos rise more? Let's say 'yes', and be surprised. Will they in scarce quantities? Let's say 'yes', because folks are becoming wiser, and backorders are piling up. During the last 'ban', manufacturers found legal loopholes, and capitalized on them, with quite a few models still coming forward.

What direction will al this take? The only advice I would give is:
1. If you like semi-auto rifles, get one ASAP. Should you be in luck, and your source-for-all-things-that-go-bang has adequate ammunition, do that, too.
2. Watch Congress for the life or extinction of this bill. That will be the signal to the manufacturers
3. Watch for when our dear beloved government attempts to make examples, and take note of the vox populi replies.
4. Prepare for shortages, hope for overages, keep your new semi-auto oiled and clean, check your ammo count, and in your own personal way, move the Heavens that it doesn't come to "that"!

toivo
February 4, 2013, 03:41 PM
So $1200 for an M1 and some cans of HXP, if I understand correctly. Where's the $650 one chris in va was talking about?
CMP: $625 plus shipping for Service Grade. You have to submit your paperwork and wait a good long time, but you'll get it eventually.

Alaska444
February 4, 2013, 03:43 PM
Ever considered "the best implement of battle ever devised"? Yeah it's heavy, but I prefer it over the plastic guns. Especially now at 1/3 the price.
Not a problem, for recoil comfort, I have added lead to my two top rifles. Makes a huge difference. Both of them weigh about 9.5 pounds. Certainly something to consider, but I already have a .300 WSM in Browning BLR. 30-06 is an all around rifle, but I can't really state I have a deficiency in what it covers at present since I have my Marlin .444 and my BLR .300 WSM. I will certainly keep it in mind though and yes, it is a great rifle from all I have heard. I am thinking more of the 7.62x39 as the platform I would like in a "black rifle."

TenDriver
February 4, 2013, 03:57 PM
Exactly. I bought one last May. At the time, and I'm betting now the service grade rifles were very nice. Mine is a SA with only the bolt and stock not original. CMP wood and a H&R bolt. Gauged almost new with the original barrel on it.

I will also say that if an AR is what you want, there is no substitute. Same with any gun.

Rugerspyderon
February 5, 2013, 03:19 AM
I have been reading and noticing that ARs and semi auto rifles are hard to find. The .223 seems impossible to find at store. This past weekend I went to the gun show here and there were plenty of AR14s, Sigs, DPMS, etc. there was tons of .223 I don't have one but I arrived three hours after the show opened on Saturday and saw people walking out with them and buying them from FFLs. Some were over priced but some were not too bad. I had been having an impossible time finding small pistol primers on line or at stores. The guy that sells reloading stuff at the show had none, Crazy, an ammo dealer there had primers by the cases CCI, Winchester, etc. I was blown away. I am now stocked.

The real problem is 22lr availability!

Ignition Override
February 6, 2013, 02:33 AM
Mushy:
You've not noticed the numerous (eleven) pages of SKS rifles on Gunbroker? They've been quite available since my search began in March '08 (bought a THR 'WTS SKS' in person), and since then they never disappeared on GB.

As was the case two weeks ago, many of them have seller listings, or have bids at about $300-450. This is not that much above prices in early '08.

We have no idea what the hidden reserve price is, but there were only five pages of them when the recent panic hit.

thump_rrr
February 6, 2013, 03:33 AM
It is possible that someone bought a huge inventory and has been sitting on them for a while waiting for prices to climb.
The retail price of Russian SKS rifles in Canada is $199.00.
These are refurbished Tula and izhevsk armory rifles.
You can purchase an "investor pack" of 10 rifles with slings, oil bottles , cleaning kits in a wooden crate for $1,699.00.

If you're wondering what condition are they in here is a pic of mine.

http://i24.photobucket.com/albums/c40/Thump_rrr/GroupPhoto2.jpg

cfullgraf
February 6, 2013, 08:36 AM
As a note, the AR manufacturers will not spend any capital right now to ramp up production. The fate of being able to produce ARs is still in question.

If they have some un-used production capacity that can be had at little or no cost, like adding some shifts or working overtime, the manufacturers will do that, at least for a while until the employees burn out.

In 2009, inventories, in general, began to pick up from third to fourth quarter 2009. Prices started to recede a bit by 2010.

rbernie
February 6, 2013, 08:47 AM
What do you think the major manufacturers are going to do...will they keep cranking them out to meet the demand or will they slow down with an "AWB" looming.Since any AWB similar to the last one will have a cut-off date, every manufacturer out there is likely to at least consider making as much as possible to get it all dated prior to the cut-off date. The risk is that any new ban may be structured differently than the last, and anything not transferred prior to the date cannot be sold. That would leave them with unsaleable inventory, at a huge cost/profit hit.

If y'all are concerned about this, it may be a good idea to write your CongressCritters and let them know your concerns. Heading off a ban is better than prepping for one.

Ruger will even make it easy for you - fill out the web form and they'll distribute their form letter to every one of your elected Representatives:

http://www.ruger.com/micros/advocacy/

Sav .250
February 6, 2013, 09:01 AM
Unless there is passed legislation one way or the other nothing will change.

mcdonl
February 6, 2013, 09:08 AM
The thing that bothers me is how some of the LGS are trying their best to "keep the panic" stirred up. All the while continuing to raise their prices.

It bothers me that people think that the time to panic is over.

Until this senate is out, the supreme court is stabil and all gun control laws removed from the table I will continue to panic. And I will continue to purchase as much as I can.

Mushy
February 6, 2013, 05:05 PM
My state is on the verge of going full-retard in the form of a magazine limit.

If I can only have 10 rounds I don't know if I want them to be .223... It's hard not to get discouraged.

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