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radiotom
February 3, 2013, 06:30 PM
Anybody else just watch Wayne La Pierre on Fox News Sunday? Chris Wallace is acting just like Piers Morgan. :barf:

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sgtstryker
February 3, 2013, 06:35 PM
I saw it earlier..yeah, Fox isn't that far from the rest. The morning show guy, Brian Kilmeade, is vocal about his thinking AWB is a good thing.

Patrick R
February 3, 2013, 07:12 PM
I emailed Fox News & told them how poorly/bad I thought of Wallace's attacks were on LaPierre & Wallace should be fired. Not Fair & Balanced news.

Also emailed LaPierre & told him to keep up the good work he is doing.

Tommygunn
February 3, 2013, 07:41 PM
I emailed Fox News & told them how poorly/bad I thought of Wallace's attacks were on LaPierre & Wallace should be fired. Not Fair & Balanced news.

I had a very similar reaction. Chris Wallace usually conducts decent & fair interviews, but he unexpectedly turned out a "hatchet job" this morning when he talked with Wayne LaaPierre.
I disagree with SgtStryker about Fox being with "all the rest" but I must also concur with the other two posters above. I too sent an e-mail -- not to Fox but I wrote directly to Chris Wallace and told him pretty explicitly that he'd botched it. I didn't suggest he be fired although if he maintains this level of performance I can always send him an amended communiqué.

A very, very disappointing performance on Wallace's part. He knows he's better than that.

skeeziks
February 3, 2013, 07:51 PM
"A very, very disappointing performance on Wallace's part. He knows he's better than that."

He also knows what gets ratings....

clutch
February 3, 2013, 07:55 PM
Years of watching him and gaining respect for him (Chris) went out the window today.

pendennis
February 3, 2013, 08:01 PM
I also emailed Fox today, expressing my displeasure with the interview.

Chris Wallace gets more like his father every day. He's become prickly, and very biased. For instance he never once interrupted Mark Kelly, and allowed him to make a couple of glaring errors in his statements. In the Wayne LaPierre segment he was rude, disingenuous, and definitely had an agenda, based on the questions he asked.

The most agregious was Kelly's statement about the National Fireams Act of 1934. He categorically stated that the act banned weapons. The fact is, the NFA required taxation and registration of existing weapons.

He also showed a real lack of objectivity over the part of the interview with Wayne LaPierre, and the internet ad the NRA ran over Obama's children and armed guards at their school. I don't recall the NRA questioning Secret Service protection for the president's children, but armed guards at their school.

The NRA needs a different spokesperson. Wayne is knowledgeable and dedicated, but he comes across as unsure and always on the defensive.

I despise his politics, but one the best people I've seen as a spokesperson, is Lanny Davis. He's relentless, and never gets taken off point, no matter who the interviewer is.

Rancher5
February 3, 2013, 08:09 PM
Problem is Chris Wallace or whoever when they are around something they have no experience with they attack instead of keeping an open mind, Poor News is having judgement before you even start

nathan
February 3, 2013, 08:32 PM
Dang , i missed the Fox interview. Is there a video link ?

MacGyver77
February 3, 2013, 08:49 PM
Wallace was pretty one sided. Honestly LaPierre was disappointing. From my point of view, he did a good job telling pro 2a people what they already know, but I think he failed to reach anyone undecided on the issue, and certainly didn't change anyone's mind from the other side.

avs11054
February 3, 2013, 08:58 PM
My biggest complaint is why did LaPierre not throw out the common use clause when Wallace brought up Heller? That is one of the best arguments we have, but with LaPierre not bringing it up, it makes it soun like Heller allows more restrictive firearm policies than we already have.

ThorinNNY
February 3, 2013, 11:46 PM
I saw the interview, lost all respect for Chris Wallace.Guess Fox News is co-opting into the Government-Media Complex.

Speedgoat
February 3, 2013, 11:59 PM
Listened on sat radio and understand the earlier thread 'Fox News isn't our friend' 110% now. I had to look down at the radio to make sure it was still Fox News. Sorely disappointed.

distra
February 4, 2013, 12:05 AM
Saw the video and now I'm a bit worried...we need a better spokesman and NOW! Wayne did ok, but just ok. Chris Wallace is actually doing us a favor by asking these questions and we should be trying to sharpen the answers. Wayne's answers need to be upgraded, unfortunately he sounds out of touch. We must get a figure head to lead the cause otherwise I fear the results...

SigSour
February 4, 2013, 12:23 AM
Here is the link (not sure if it's OK to post this)

http://myfox8.com/2013/02/03/lapierre-clashes-with-wallace-on-fox-news-channel/

Now would someone please tell me again why conservatives think FOX is on their side?? That was ridiculous - Wallace sounded Rachel Maddow or someone. It's a witch hunt and FOX is on the bandwagon.

That network turns my stomach (much like the others) - they are playing conservatives and people who are anti-liberal media for fools. They don't give a crap about 2A rights - we NEED to remember this when the assault weapons ban doesn't pass and all goes back to normal. FOX can ROT.

slamfirev10
February 4, 2013, 12:26 AM
http://news.yahoo.com/video/nra-chief-criminals-ignore-background-201117460.html

slamfirev10
February 4, 2013, 12:46 AM
capt. kelly:

http://news.yahoo.com/video/capt-mark-kelly-isnt-second-200101490.html

chris in va
February 4, 2013, 01:50 AM
Eh, I don't know. Watched the interview and I got the impression CW was channeling his father a bit. The questions were worded in such a way that WLP was able to state his points in a stronger manner than what was being asked, kinda like a flu shot.

I don't have a problem with it. The stronger the questions, the more direct the answers need to be.

radiotom
February 4, 2013, 05:59 AM
Ya I told them if I wanted to watch an NRA hitjob I would watch Piers Morgan.

fanchisimo
February 4, 2013, 08:25 AM
Did anybody raise an eyebrow when Mark Kelly said he "didn't know the statistics, but" and then went on about making it harder for criminals to get guns? That to me ruins a persons credibility because it shows they haven't done any research and are going off what they have: a) been told, b) as a personal bias, and/or c) emotionally. I just can't figure how someone can listen to a speaker that opens with that.

Westfair
February 4, 2013, 08:33 AM
Sadly I didn't get a chance to watch it yet. Thanks to those who posted links - I'll have to catch up when I get the chance.

I cringe when I hear the labels "common sense" and "sensible" applied to anything these days. Those words are simply meant to help disarm any argument about the proposal and make any challengers look "extreme" or "out of touch."

It's a propaganda war and they are choosing the words and labels very carefully.

mbt2001
February 4, 2013, 08:39 AM
That is depressing...

They are treated the gun owner as a quasi-criminal. Certainly we need to "justify" our need of guns and our claims about gun ownership. I am sure that is part of the ongoing narrative, to paint gun owners in a corner. In the end all we can really do is get out the word and support new gun ownership, explain terminology and the current state of the laws, and contact our reps...

Did anybody raise an eyebrow when Mark Kelly said he "didn't know the statistics, but" and then went on about making it harder for criminals to get guns? That to me ruins a persons credibility because it shows they haven't done any research and are going off what they have: a) been told, b) as a personal bias, and/or c) emotionally. I just can't figure how someone can listen to a speaker that opens with that.

They don't have statistics on their side. This is nothing new to you of course.

I have to tell you, my biggest problem with anti-gunners is not their philosophical outlook or opinion, but the fact that they will lie, cheat, and manipulate to get their way. So it certainly makes clear their intentions.

Mousegun
February 4, 2013, 09:12 AM
Fox used to be the only bright spot in the night time but after yesterday the light is getting quite dim. Still, it is all we have when it comes to "generally honest" (but not always) media coverage.

National thinking is changing about many traditional things and that change is being manipulated by the most used baby sitter in the world, television. Baby sitting for young and old alike that is.

The morning show guy, Brian Kilmeade, is vocal about his thinking AWB is a good thing.

Any one of the women on Fox News do a better job of balancing out the gun control debate than Brian Kilmeade. He has always shown signs of :barf: and has often been reminded of that by me on the Fox blogs.

Pilot
February 4, 2013, 09:14 AM
Any one of the women on Fox News do a better job of balancing out the gun control debate than Brian Kilmeade. He has always shown signs of and has often been reminded of that by me on the Fox blogs.

Briane Kilmeade is another inside the NYC/Long Island bubble who has been brainwashed and indoctrinated. Like Bill O'Reilly, Chris Wallace, etc. They KNOW better than you and me.

Vonderek
February 4, 2013, 09:42 AM
I did not see the interview with Chris Wallace but watched LaPierre's Senate testimony. Wayne has been a tireless and effective advocate for decades but he seems to be wearied and exasperated of late. I hope the NRA is grooming some new horses to help pull the wagon.

dbaxley57
February 4, 2013, 10:19 AM
I just watched (on the internet) the Fox News Sunday interview with LaPierre. I have a different opinion than most on this board. I think that Wallace did a tough but fair interview. In order to sway public opinion on the current proposed legislation we need to answer the tough questions, like Wallace asked and LaPierre answered. LaPierre did a great job of getting his message across. I wish he had not let Wallace interrupt him as much as he did though.

traderpats
February 4, 2013, 10:28 AM
Fox got the word to go all-in for UBC and high-cap mags from Murdoch. It's kinda like the liberals that register sleeper accounts on conservative sites. They save the account for special times when they want to appear as one of us being "reasonable". You know, since conservatives are none too smart and won't pick up on that stuff....

Water-Man
February 4, 2013, 10:38 AM
traderpats.......How about verifying your above statement.

leapfrog
February 4, 2013, 10:49 AM
Wayne in my opinion was not prepared at all, right out of the box he was overwhelmed and did not recover, unless there is a much stronger response from the NRA we are doomed, in order to win you gotta out-slick the slick.

Phatty
February 4, 2013, 10:59 AM
I'm shocked by how many people here are surprised by the Chris Wallace interview. Anybody that has been paying attention should know that FoxNews is not a gun-friendly channel. It's not just Chris Wallace. It permeates throughout its website and most of its reporters and anchors such as Bill O'Reilly, with only a few exceptions such as Sean Hannity. I guess people just assumed that because FoxNews was generally more conservative than other media that it would also be gun friendly, but that's not the case.

lilguy
February 4, 2013, 11:29 AM
For all those sleepwalking through the apocalypse, this is why FOX NEWS can not be trusted. Look it up, beware the enemy within.

Published on Jan 24, 2013

""Rupert Murdoch is attempting to buy The L.A. Times and Chicago Tribune. Despite FCC regulations that ban such a monopoly."

Tommygunn
February 4, 2013, 11:36 AM
I'm shocked by how many people here are surprised by the Chris Wallace interview. Anybody that has been paying attention should know that FoxNews is not a gun-friendly channel. It's not just Chris Wallace. It permeates throughout its website and most of its reporters and anchors such as Bill O'Reilly, with only a few exceptions such as Sean Hannity. I guess people just assumed that because FoxNews was generally more conservative than other media that it would also be gun friendly, but that's not the case.

In a way you have a point. What surprised me with Wallace wasn't his leftness it was his HITJOB on LaPierre. Wallace has really been fairly even handed in spite of his obvious (now) liberal politics.
O'Reilly has continually perplexed me. He appeared fairly anti until the Katrina disaster in New Orleans, then I thought the confiscations there had beat some "reality"into his skull.
However, the other day in discussing this issue he said he believed that "assault weapons" should be registered and people who own them should be prohibited from taking them out of state.
These are rules not unlike what people who own NFA weapons must deal with. An NFA weapon may be taken into another state, but ONLY after permission is obtained (a form must be submitted) from the BATF and you can only take them to states where they are legal.
I don't know what O'Reilly is trying to prove. Normally I like him but he's got rocks in his head when this subject comes up. He refuses to accept that registration leads to confiscation despite the fact it has actually happened in this country more than once.
Hannity certainly is the best of the commentators I know of on Fox with regards to firearms. I think he gets it.

Water-Man
February 4, 2013, 12:07 PM
What about Jeanine Pirro and there are others.

Some of you folks need to get your facts straight about FOX News. They're a hell of a lot better than the alternatives even if not perfect.

Tunnel vision works both ways.;)

Fastcast
February 4, 2013, 12:21 PM
By no means am I endorsing the likes of CNN, ABC, NBC, CBS or MSNBC but the FOX worshipers really need to remove their head from the sand.

Sure they have a few good commentators but for the most part their platform is agenda driven propaganda just like the others. They're deceiving conservatives, when it suits them, for ratings, period.

Water-Man
February 4, 2013, 12:37 PM
They're not deceiving anyone.

Those who can't separate fact from fiction shouldn't bother to watch ANY news program and stay in their cave.

FJRBob
February 4, 2013, 12:46 PM
Fox news hasn't been fair & balanced for years. Try free speach tv its #9415 on dish. they give you the real world news , not the pablum fed to you by all the networks that are owned by one or two people.Just my &.02..

morcey2
February 4, 2013, 12:49 PM
Fox news hasn't been fair & balanced for years. Try free speach tv its #9415 on dish. they give you the real world news , not the pablum fed to you by all the networks that are owned by one or two people.Just my &.02..
That's hillarious! I'll have to remember that one for parties that are starting to get du.....


Oh. You were serious. :scrutiny:

BullfrogKen
February 4, 2013, 01:18 PM
I was not impressed with Wayne's performance yesterday. Seeing him there with two laminated notecards made me think even less of him.

He works tirelessly for the NRA, but we do need a stronger spokesperson.

Akita1
February 4, 2013, 01:20 PM
Yes, CW did a hit job but WLP floundered horribly. Even MSNBC is using the video to sell that the NRA just looks silly in the public forum. No offense to WLP, but he's not made for TV, or even testifying in front of Congress. We need another front man out there...

A good rule: NEVER assume an interview with ANY reporter to be on friendly ground or under "fair & balanced" terms. As noted above, ratings are everything in the business and if they can throw a hand grenade, they will. Best policy is not to hang with vultures, they'll talk you to death and eat you when you die.

Phatty
February 4, 2013, 01:29 PM
Seeing him there with two laminated notecards made me think even less of him.

I hear ya. The exact same anti-gun arguments have been used for years. WLP should be able to respond to these old arguments in his sleep. It's not like any of these reporters are coming up with anything new that WLP would have to watch out for.

JFrame
February 4, 2013, 01:36 PM
I was surprised by the extent of the lack of balance between the Mark Kelly and Wayne LaPierre interviews. Kelly made whole-cloth conjectures and pie-in-the-sky statements that Wallace never challenged or even requested substantiation. Conversely, he went into pure attack mode on LaPierre. The difference in the level of respect that Wallace evidenced in those two segments was palpable and disgusting (I would characterize his treatment of Kelly as fawning).

Having said that, I agree with many comments made on this thread that we need a better front-person for the NRA than LaPierre. Perception counts, and he is not engaging or, from a totally subjective viewpoint, particularly appealing. I don't know if someone like Jessie Duff would be up to the task from a "thinking on one's feet" standpoint -- but we need SOMEBODY who can invoke the power and memory of my favorite president, Charlton Heston.


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robhof
February 4, 2013, 02:47 PM
Did anyone see judge Jenine on Fox. She did about a 5 min tirade about the 2nd being a God given right and what part of not infringed do you not understand. She had 2 guests,:what::):cool: sort of anti gun people who tread very lightly on their counter points so not to get her angry. I wanted to send her a large flower arrangement for her open honesty, she got her point across without being as abrasive as Ted Nugent, although I appreciate anyone with the fame and balls to speak their mind against the liberal horde.

skeeziks
February 4, 2013, 02:52 PM
Yes, I saw her last week. And she made me proud of her and proud to be an American.

WLP should be "Impeached" and Judge Jenine should take his place. She would make a much better spokesperson then WLP!

Fastcast
February 4, 2013, 03:11 PM
Did anyone see judge Jenine on Fox.

Don't watch the boobtube news often because it's nauseating fluff, but yep saw it, she was phenomenal!

Also, agree that she would be a better spokes person than WLP! :cool:

9thchild
February 4, 2013, 06:09 PM
This does not surprise me in the slightest. People on this forum seem to forget that Fox is only slightly less socialistic than the rest of the main stream media.

charon
February 4, 2013, 06:40 PM
In my opinion you can count on Fox to generally be the voice of the right of center DC establishment while CNN is the voice of the left of center DC establishment; MSNBC the far left and the rest in between CNN and MSNBC.

By comparison Fox is decidedly more conservative but it's a lot more John McCain than Tea Party or Libertarian Party (though to be fair they go give these movements some degree of positive support as long as there is no threat to some establishment candidate or talking point).

The hard news on the Web and cable is just as sensational on "gun violence" as about any other outlet. Wallace and Shemp seem to lose some fair and balanced on the issue as "journalists." The opinion perspective from O'Reilly on the 2nd (and some other conservative issues) would be entirely in tune with a Chris Matthews. A sad state of affairs but you can at least count on Fox to cover issues that potentially hurt Democrats like Fast and Furious.

leapfrog
February 4, 2013, 06:56 PM
As for kelly I don't have much respect for a guy that would leave his wife in the condition Gabby was in ans go on a joy ride in space.

JFrame
February 4, 2013, 06:59 PM
In my opinion you can count on Fox to generally be the voice of the right of center DC establishment while CNN is the voice of the left of center DC establishment; MSNBC the far left and the rest in between CNN and MSNBC.

By comparison Fox is decidedly more conservative but it's a lot more John McCain than Tea Party or Libertarian Party (though to be fair they go give these movements some degree of positive support as long as there is no threat to some establishment candidate or talking point).

The hard news on the Web and cable is just as sensational on "gun violence" as about any other outlet. Wallace and Shemp seem to lose some fair and balanced on the issue as "journalists." The opinion perspective from O'Reilly on the 2nd (and some other conservative issues) would be entirely in tune with a Chris Matthews. A sad state of affairs but you can at least count on Fox to cover issues that potentially hurt Democrats like Fast and Furious.


...And I think this is a pretty "fair and balanced" assessment... http://www.kolobok.us/smiles/standart/good3.gif


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slamfirev10
February 4, 2013, 07:16 PM
As for kelly I don't have much respect for a guy that would leave his wife in the condition Gabby was in ans go on a joy ride in space.

true 'dat

carbuncle
February 4, 2013, 07:51 PM
Fox = Rupert Murdoch, known gun grabber. To the extent they have a "conservative" focus it's for ratings, Fox is not pro-second ammendment in any way, and it's owner and overlord is an outspoken gun control advocate.

Ole Coot
February 4, 2013, 07:53 PM
Chris Wallace was born into the Washington elite and is as biased as his father was. He was clearly out to make the NRA look bad and interrupting sure didn't help his cause. He and Gregory could easily have changed places.
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Formula94
February 4, 2013, 08:44 PM
I'm sorry, but it seemed to me like WLP could not directly answer some of the questions asked of him without going back to his talking points. He sounded exactly like a politician. I mean really, what does curbing gang violence have to do with answering a question about stopping mass shooters?
I don't believe that reporters should tow party lines, they should ask tough questions and demand straight answers from every person that they interview, regardless of if they agree with their point of view. If the interviewee is able to succinctly answer the tough questions without straying off topic it makes them and us look much better. the best example of this that I can think of is the interview with the guy from the west virginia self defense league (or something similar to that) when he was able to answer the anti interviewer's questions very well and logically.

skeeziks
February 4, 2013, 08:51 PM
WLP made US look extremely bad yesterday.
Chris Wallace may be a chip off the ol' block, but it wasn't him that made us look like a bunch of "gun nuts." That was Wayne....

mnhntr
February 4, 2013, 09:25 PM
Wallace is from a long line of liberal biased blood.

fanchisimo
February 5, 2013, 01:17 AM
I think that Ted Nugent, if he could maintain his relatively calmer demeanor in the Piers Morgan interview tonight, would be an excellent NRA spokesperson. He had an answer for wherever Piers went and had a lot of energy. It's hard for someone without a dog in the fight to get behind a man that is as dry as WLP. WLP has done a good job in the NRA for the past 20 years, but public speaking doesn't seem to be one of his strong points.

michaelbsc
February 5, 2013, 01:54 AM
I think that Ted Nugent, if he could maintain his relatively calmer demeanor in the Piers Morgan interview tonight, would be an excellent NRA spokesperson.

Eh, maybe, but he's got a reputation that they exploit against us with alarming ease an regularity. He's far better suited as a "preacher to the choir" than doing "outreach to the masses" in my mind.

We need a Billy Gun Graham to take on Morgan, but I don't know who. Certainly not gun grabber Mitt Romney, but somebody with hair and suits like Romney.

...It's hard for someone without a dog in the fight to get behind a man that is as dry as WLP. WLP has done a good job in the NRA for the past 20 years, but public speaking doesn't seem to be one of his strong points.

And I've said it here a dozen times, LaPierre needs to be the quiet guy who shows up at the office behind closed doors and cuts deals with agencies that we need on our side to beat congress into funding them.

A month ago everyone said I was a troll for saying this. I absolve you all.

LaPierre is not the public face we need right now. But he's hellaciously good behind closed doors.

So for all those other agencies that we want to begin drawing into this conversation over the next 25 years, and do *NOT* kid yourself that this isn't a 25 year struggle if not more, we really want to begin getting those federal directors looking at "gun owners" in a positive rather than a negative light. And funding for their agencies is how that happens. It's politics is Washington. Money greases those wheels.

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