What About Bodyguards...?


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skeeziks
February 3, 2013, 08:21 PM
I was thinking: Personal bodyguards to celebs. are regular citizens (or not even) just like us. So let's say...Madonna, comes into N.Y. City to play at The Garden, and of course her bodyguards are with her. Don't they have to abide by Cuomo's new law just the same as we do? Shouldn't they also be restricted to 7 round mags?

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somerandomguy
February 3, 2013, 08:22 PM
I was thinking: Personal bodyguards to celebs. are regular citizens (or not even) just like us. So let's say...Madonna, comes into N.Y. City to play at The Garden, and of course her bodyguards are with her. Don't they have to abide by Cuomo's new law just the same as we do? Shouldn't they also be restricted to 7 round mags?
Yup, absolutely. Bodyguards are just private contractors. <deleted>

Airbrush Artist
February 3, 2013, 09:23 PM
Usually the Personal Body guards Carry but I will as well when I'm driving and taking them too the Dressing rooms Hotels Interviews,sound checks and such ,I do not know if I will be allowed as of yet..Ringos PBG carried a UZI ..Cheryl Crows BG carried a 45..Wilie Nelsons just carried weed..all the Skynrd Boys carried lol...

Sam1911
February 3, 2013, 09:36 PM
Let's focus here on BODYGUARDS acting within US States. Other topics get beyond THR's scope.

somerandomguy
February 3, 2013, 09:37 PM
Let's focus here on BODYGUARDS acting within US States. Other topics get beyond THR's scope.
Sorry sam, was caught up in the heat of the debate. Didnt mean to go offtopic.

Grmlin
February 3, 2013, 09:40 PM
Did post just disappear?

Nobody should be beyond the law.

Ragnar Danneskjold
February 3, 2013, 09:42 PM
Well bodyguards are usually just employees of security corporations, or contracted 1 on 1 by the protectee/principle. Logically they should follow whatever firearms laws apply to where they are working. Some states have different laws written specifically to private security that are different than the average citizen. We can argue whether this is right another time, but the fact is some states laws are written that way. A state might require a Security Guard license, or give them some form of provisional police authority. Or they could just lump security guards with everyone else and require the same CCW laws as citizens. The real question is whether NY law provides special exemptions for private security while they're on the job. Remember that Mr. Heller from DC vs. Heller was a District of Columbia "Special Police Officer" who was allowed by law to carry a firearm at work but not at home. NY law maybe be written similarly as to allow people acting as security contractors to have loosened firearms restrictions while in the performance of their duties.

The fact is, for good or ill, they can write the law to basically be whatever they want. And the law is the law until it gets challenged in court.

mbopp
February 3, 2013, 09:44 PM
There's NYC, then the rest of NY. A NY CC permit is not valid in NYC. And NY doesn't have reciprocity with any other state for CC. One more point - NY doesn't issue non-resident permits.
So unless the bodyguards are NY residents with NY and / or NYC permits, they can't bring handguns into NY state. Not to say a celeb can't hire their own NY bodyguard who has a NY CC permit while they're in NY.
But yes, they'd legally have to abide by the 7-round rule. But we all know there are laws for the masses, and special laws for people with connections.

browningguy
February 3, 2013, 10:02 PM
Sorry, but the rules are different for "them". Or hadn't anyone noticed that? If you're rich or famous (or a politician of course) you get a different set of rules to live by.

hueyville
February 3, 2013, 10:03 PM
There are one or two specific job classifications which require federal licensing that allow interstate carry of concealed firearms. An uzi is not one of them but sometimes the security personnel for high profile targets are not scrutinized closely by LEO's. I have a state carry license and a federal license that allows carry in all 50 states including commercial airplanes under certain situations. Took a long time, schooling and money to obtain. Quite often private contractors are registered as reserve duty officers in their home jurisdiction. If you are a badge carrying member of the thin blue line their are some perks that come with the job. In Georgia, anyone willing to pay their own way through post school and become certified as a police officer can get a reserve officer gig locally. All you do is promise to help in a declared emergency and you get a badge. Up to discretion of local Sheriff or Police Chief. I know guys with badges that didn't even go to post, just good friends with the Sheriff.

razorback2003
February 3, 2013, 10:07 PM
I would think the best thing to do in NYC would be to hire off duty NYPD.


What will brinks and loomis do though in NY to comply with this 7 round law? Are they having to now carry revolvers? I know most of the armored car companies have switched to semi autos but they sure don't allow 1911's.

skeeziks
February 3, 2013, 10:08 PM
Quote: "A state might require a Security Guard license,"

Fine.... I'll just get me one of them licences and hire myself out as my own bodyguard. Problem solved.

mrvco
February 3, 2013, 10:34 PM
I've never paid attention when I have visited... Can you have armed security guards'at all in NYC?

joecil
February 3, 2013, 10:44 PM
I worked for a few years as a security contractor which can be much like a body guard in duties but a different way of working. Now I didn't deal with celebrity type clients as most of my work was for US corporations traveling overseas, contract work for government agencies and a few high risk individual visiting other countries and a only two visiting the USA. Where the body guard type can be spotted easily and tends to stand out in my version of it we didn't want to stand out but blend in. I worked in 94 countries and the USA on the two occasions only as I said. I made good money but was done in a little more than 4 years do to injury, stress etc. Getting shot, stabbed tends to take the glamor out of the job, especially if it could cost you your life if you screw up or even in some cases if the local authorities can figure out what happened after it is over.

razorback2003
February 4, 2013, 08:16 PM
What is Brinks in NY doing to comply with this magazine ban? I know most armored car companies now let security guards carry semi autos. I am going to guess most will not be allowed to carry 1911's in NY to comply with this mag ban. So have they had to switch to revolvers?

EBK
February 4, 2013, 08:18 PM
IF I am reading it correctly the new bill says nothing more than 7 rounds. Since 1911 standard mags are 7 rounds I dont see the issue.

zorro45
February 4, 2013, 09:17 PM
Maybe Brinks will need to put an extra man on each crew to even up the score because I doubt that robbers will be honoring the 7 round limit.

paramedic70002
February 4, 2013, 09:18 PM
hueyville can you tell us the federal agency that issues a federal license to (I assume) a non federal employee? I have never heard of this before.

highorder
February 4, 2013, 09:38 PM
Lots of smoke and no fire in this thread...

DMK
February 4, 2013, 10:36 PM
This was obviously not well thought out. Like a lot of legislation these days. :(

chris in va
February 5, 2013, 04:22 AM
It's my understanding, if the gun doesn't have 7rd mags available, it has to be loaded with only 7 to comply.

111t
February 5, 2013, 04:50 AM
Right but up to a maximum of 10. Personally I think they should switch to two man teams and one of them carry a 7 shot shotgun. See how comfortable people are with that in the grocery store.

The lack of exemptions is moronic. (Along with everything else). Consider that I was talking to a friend of mine yesterday. He does security work at one of the nuclear power plants. They're not exempted either. Don't worry, they don't plan on changing anything regardless of the oversight in Albany.

evan price
February 5, 2013, 07:00 AM
"Lack of exemptions" is moronic?

The entire SAFE act is moronic. I doubt they get 10% compliance.

Hacker15E
February 5, 2013, 07:03 AM
The idea that security or law enforcement should be allowed firearms that the general public is not is moronic.

Who is "serving" whom?

SleazyRider
February 5, 2013, 07:43 AM
What is Brinks in NY doing to comply with this magazine ban? I know most armored car companies now let security guards carry semi autos. I am going to guess most will not be allowed to carry 1911's in NY to comply with this mag ban. So have they had to switch to revolvers?
Perhaps they will each carry two or three pistols, Josie Wales style.

My understanding, as an inmate of the Empire State (aptly named, I might add), is that I have one year from this April 15th to either discard or sell out-of-state, my 10-round magazines. In the meantime, effective immediately, I can only load 7 rounds in a magazine.

The law must be working, because we haven't had a single mass shooting in New York since its passage.

PBR Streetgang
February 5, 2013, 08:26 AM
I don't see it mentioned here ,but there used to be a n old term called "NY Reload" in which the person carried multiple guns instead of multiple reloads for one gun.

I've only scanned over the NY law, does it address carrying multiple guns?

Grey_Mana
February 5, 2013, 11:51 AM
I was thinking: Personal bodyguards to celebs. are regular citizens (or not even) just like us. So let's say...Madonna, comes into N.Y. City to play at The Garden, and of course her bodyguards are with her. Don't they have to abide by Cuomo's new law just the same as we do? Shouldn't they also be restricted to 7 round mags?
No, they count as nobility. The law applies to commoners, not nobility. It's right there in the Penumbra Clause of the Constitution.

skeeziks
February 5, 2013, 11:59 AM
Huh....go figure.

skeeziks
February 5, 2013, 12:00 PM
Quote: "I've only scanned over the NY law, does it address carrying multiple guns?"

No. You can carry as many as you like.

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