Laser on an EDC gun...opinions?


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s9601694
February 4, 2013, 04:09 PM
I have a CT Laserguard on my Kahr CM9 and am starting to wonder why.. I shoot it mostly outside and as such have never even been able to verify POI as it relates to the laser.. The CT is not in the way or bulky by any means but i just dont know if i would ever use it in a SD situation

What are your opinions on lasers?

Thanks!

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Chip1wa
February 4, 2013, 05:01 PM
I have a C. Trace on all 6 of my carry pistols.

These things are a tool that makes virtually no difference in the size, carry-ability, or concealability. If a tool like this can help you, I say use it.

True, outside in daylight, these things don't offer up much, but under most all indoor conditions, or in low light conditions, they work like a champ.

Practice with the sights only-covering the laser beam up with electrical tape, and practice with the laser.

Purists scoff at the idea, but then again I'm not asking them to stand in my shoes.

You really do need confirm the dot lines up with the sights. It's not a difficult adjustment.

Chip

Kingcreek
February 5, 2013, 12:42 PM
After shooting night drills with smoke and lights and other distractions I can say they are sometimes very helpful but I wouldn't want to get so reliant on them that I forget to use the sights.

BossHogg
February 6, 2013, 12:56 PM
I like them for the ablity to practice point and shoot sitting around the living room. They're also handy for low light and night aiming. Don't rely on them to make you a better shooter, practice with the iron sights. But try seeing those iron sights at night. They're a tool and use them according.

Skribs
February 6, 2013, 05:06 PM
If I wanted something with a red dot, it would be a red dot sight. IMO, any extra bulk that I'm not using, even if it is "out of the way", is extra bulk that I'm not using. Especially if it increases the price of the gun compared to not having it.

smalls
February 6, 2013, 09:10 PM
Well if you're not training with it, take it off.

If you start low light training with it, then keep it on.

krupparms
February 6, 2013, 09:32 PM
They are a tool. If you have a use for them, they are great! I have 6 S.D.guns with C.T.sights . They work great for shooting & practice! They do add to the cost of the gun but so so Tritium night sights. ;)

Takem406
February 6, 2013, 11:48 PM
I have a Lazergaurd on my Glock 27. It's definitely not a save all and it actually takes a lot of skill.

However for close range low light self defense, I think it's important. Especially for retention style shooting.

I'll probably get the grip on my XDM but I didn't want to add any bulk to my Glock grip.

In God and Glock we Trust

M2 Carbine
February 7, 2013, 01:32 AM
What are your opinions on lasers?
For some years I've used, experimented and practiced with (good) lasers and laser/lights on handguns, rifles and shotguns.
I have home ranges where I try to shoot 2-4 evenings a week in low light/dark.

I don't know how many Crimson Trace and Streamlight TLR-2 lasers I have on defense and practice guns, a lot.


Bottom line, in my experience, in their element, low light and darkness no other sighting system comes even close to the speed and accuracy of the laser equipped gun in the hands of a shooter that knows how to properly use the laser, laser/light.



An example comes to mind.
A year or two ago a lady I was teaching to shoot had tried the pistol mounted Crimson Trace laser a couple times.

One day the lady and I shot on one of those full size live fire simulators, like a big video game. The local Police use the simulator for practice.

One simulation put the lady against 7 bad guys. The bad guys came at her one at a time from different directions and with different weapons, (very challenging and fun).

I suggested the lady to use my Crimson Trace laser equipped Ruger SR9C and gave her the gun with a spare magazine.
I wish I had a video recording of the shootout. I was really proud of my student. Fast action with very fast, accurate shooting.

In the end, using the laser she killed all the bad guys without being injured herself.

The simulator operator said no one had done that before.:D



Put it this way, if under these conditions..............
http://i1183.photobucket.com/albums/x464/Bell-helicopter-407/PX4laserberm.jpg

http://i1183.photobucket.com/albums/x464/Bell-helicopter-407/Backyardrangeatnight.jpg

.............can you do such as this with your present low light/dark sighting system? If you can, then you do not need a laser, laser/light.


Recently tore both my shoulders. After the operations about all I can shoot for now, without too much pain, is this Ruger 22, late in the evening.
http://i1183.photobucket.com/albums/x464/Bell-helicopter-407/SR22laserdark10yards.jpg


25 yards. Fast firing from the hip with a Streamlight TLR-2 equipped S&W M&P 15-22. In total darkness.
http://i1183.photobucket.com/albums/x464/Bell-helicopter-407/SWMP22lightandlaserinthedark-1.jpg


Just plinking.
http://i1183.photobucket.com/albums/x464/Bell-helicopter-407/K22andCrimsonTracelaser.jpg


Crimson Trace equipped Kimber Ultra. Standing. Almost dark.
http://i1183.photobucket.com/albums/x464/Bell-helicopter-407/Laser40yards.jpg

http://i1183.photobucket.com/albums/x464/Bell-helicopter-407/CTKimTacticaldistance.jpg


From the hip. Weak hand shooting.
http://i1183.photobucket.com/albums/x464/Bell-helicopter-407/CTlefthand15shots-1.jpg


I'm 75, so of course I wear eye glasses. This is without my glasses.
http://i1183.photobucket.com/albums/x464/Bell-helicopter-407/CTLaser38noglasses.jpg

s9601694
February 7, 2013, 07:33 AM
Thanks so much for your responses! I guess I was just looking for a confirmation and I got it!

Bottom line: great backup/alternative tool to iron sights when iron sights become unusable due to darkness or shooting position (can't line up sights)


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Takem406
February 7, 2013, 02:03 PM
Here's a cool pic of my later and Glock night sights.
That and I carry a Stream light so I'm set!

In God and Glock we Trust

Elm Creek Smith
February 11, 2013, 09:05 PM
I put Crimson Trace grips on my 4 inch S&W Model 681 and promptly lost it...to my wife.

ECS

Ehtereon11B
February 12, 2013, 06:08 PM
All my carry pistols have a laser on them. However I consider Crimson trace to be a waste, spending $300 on a laser that only fits one firearm. I prefer a laser/light package that fits on anything with a rail, since most of my carry firearms are railed. $350 and all my firearms were covered. $10 more for a charger and some rechargeable CR2 batteries.

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