US Firearms still exist?


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ChasMack
February 4, 2013, 11:23 PM
I have not been to USFA website in quite sometime and clicked a couple links to go there today and both took me to ZIP firearms. Is USFA no longer in business? When I last went to their site, they no longer posted prices up for any firearm, and no one online seemed to be able to get any firearms from them.

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Arp32
February 4, 2013, 11:25 PM
There's another thread on this if you search USFA. Sounded like the owner is a tad eccentric and is going to try out the Zipgun thing for a year or two.

Sam Cade
February 4, 2013, 11:26 PM
Sadly the ZIP...thing...... is USFA.

ugaarguy
February 4, 2013, 11:53 PM
Yes, the traditional USFA still exist along side their Zip .22 . You can find them at http://www.usfasingleactions.com/

DPris
February 5, 2013, 02:24 AM
USFA told me at the SHOT Show in Vegas the traditional side is on hold for a couple years, after which they plan to start it up again.

In reality, if the Zipper fails, I think that'll be the end of USFA.
Denis

PO2Hammer
February 5, 2013, 02:44 AM
... and I don't see a bright future for the Zip gun.
Bad timing on the introduction of it as well.

ChasMack
February 5, 2013, 10:19 AM
That's too bad about USFA. They produced some very good revolvers. I bought one and could kick myself for selling it :( I was in the market for a Custer Battlefield gun and ended up buying a Uberti since I could not get a USFA. It's a good gun, very accurate even, but I had some pennies saved just for the USFA....oh well.

Orion8472
February 5, 2013, 10:39 AM
This is the first I have ever seen of this "ZIP" thing. What . . . . . .the hell? I can't even imagine how it would even be held! I don't get it. They need to stick to Cowboy Action.

silicosys4
February 5, 2013, 05:26 PM
I found a SAA USFA .357 magnum online a few months ago...It is a beautiful gun, every bit as well made as any Ruger I've seen, with deep bluing and very nice polish, everything was very well made and fitted.
The price was obscenely low. Under $300. I hope they keep making those SAA's when that zip gun goes the way of the dodo.

Pointshoot
February 5, 2013, 08:25 PM
I have a couple USFA Rodeos - one in matte blue and one in nickel. Outstanding quality guns.
If the owner got bored, why didnt he just sell the single action business to someone else ?
I'm a revolver guy, and usually pass on gimicks - but I'd look one of those Zip guns over.

splithoof
February 5, 2013, 09:35 PM
How do the USFA products compare to a current Colts P model?

DPris
February 5, 2013, 11:22 PM
If the Zipper goes the way of the Dodo, you can pretty much figure on USFA following it.
Denis

targetshooter22
February 5, 2013, 11:38 PM
Hmmmm I'm guessing they aren't taking the big gamble because the CAS side was making money hand over fist. I seem to recall the sixguns were really nice, but have Ruger and the nicer Uberti's for some serious competition. The Zip guns seemsss... uh... I don't know what to say that THR. :confused:

tipoc
February 6, 2013, 03:03 AM
They still exist and are in business...

http://www.usfasingleactions.com/


tipoc

ArchAngelCD
February 6, 2013, 03:36 AM
They still exist and are in business...

http://www.usfasingleactions.com/


tipoc
But there are no revolver available for sale on their site any longer!!!

That's really too bad because they made a better Colt SSA than Colt does!
Now they are only making that stupid Zip .22 crap. (and they can't even make their own magazines) It really is a stupid looking piece of plastic with no character at all...

Orion8472
February 6, 2013, 09:10 AM
^. . . . . . and looks entirely uncomfortable to hold. For a company who made such nice single action revolvers, . . . . what the crap are they thinking??? On top of that, . . . it appears that the only way to unchamber a round is to put your fingers WAY too close to the end of the barrel. Not on my watch.

DPris
February 6, 2013, 10:32 AM
They are NOT producing or selling the traditional revolvers.
See Post 5 above.
Denis

CraigC
February 6, 2013, 10:35 AM
Donnelly is a nutcase and all USFA is producing is the Zipper. The machinery and staff used to produce their single actions are gone. This ain't a gun shop rumor.

Sam Cade
February 6, 2013, 02:21 PM
The machinery and staff used to produce their single actions are gone. This ain't a gun shop rumor.

The website seems to indicate that they are retooling the factory where they made the SAA clones and the ZIP...thing... is being made elsewhere.


. . . And so we are re-tooling and re-processing every part, every component updating every machine to continue that great work.




Is this not the case?

CraigC
February 6, 2013, 02:30 PM
That's how Doug is spinning it but all evidence points to the contrary. Several of us have been watching USFA for two years as things have gradually unraveled. The people and machinery that created their fine single actions are gone. He wouldn't have let that happen if he intended to stay in the revolver business.

DPris
February 6, 2013, 02:48 PM
At SHOT I stood four feet from Doug who was showing off the Zipper to three or four other guys. He was busy & I didn't have time to wait till he was done.
One of his USFA fellow reps told me as I was handling one of the Zippers on display that the revolvers are on hold for two years while they focus on the .22, after which the plan is to start up the traditional side again.

I have an email here prior to SHOT from Doug saying the Zipper may be all that's left.

I'm going with direct contact, as opposed to whatever the USFA website says. :)

I don't wish USFA any ill, they put out excellent quality revolvers, and the Model 1910 .45 ACP I had here years ago was first rate in terms of quality.
It just appears to me that with the peaking of the CAS movement and demand for a high-quality Colt clone slowing down, the decision was made to transfer focus and bet the future on plastic.

After handling the Zipper & failing to see a sustainable market for it, my feeling is that IF the future of USFA is riding on it, that future is doubtful.
Denis

tipoc
February 6, 2013, 03:11 PM
They have taken significant and maybe fatal hits during the downturn it seems. If not enough folks buy your product, and the price of materials rises, you can't keep in business even if selling an outstanding gun.

Speculate all we like but we will see in time what happens.

tipoc

1KPerDay
February 6, 2013, 03:20 PM
If USFA is gone, it is a real shame. The ZIP is a drip. You can't make money selling stupid gimmick guns. The guy is a loon. *tsk*

CraigC
February 6, 2013, 03:20 PM
IMHO, you cannot make the same assumptions you would about any other company. Sales were never a problem, they sold every gun they made and had trouble keeping up with demand. The problem is Donnelly. He ran the company like his personal candy store and its direction depended on whatever whim he was riding at the moment. Had he been in charge of a company he did not own, he would've been fired a long time ago.

DPris
February 6, 2013, 03:38 PM
Aw, come on. Quit holding back & say how you REALLY feel! :)
Denis

snooperman
February 6, 2013, 03:39 PM
He must be a little "whacky" to produce something like the Zip gun ,after having so much success with beautiful single actions. It does not make sense. I have 2 of his single action guns and they are first class guns in every way. Maybe he just could not make enough profit on it anymore.

CraigC
February 6, 2013, 03:49 PM
Quit holding back & say how you REALLY feel!
I reckon my wittle feewings are still huwt. :p

DPris
February 6, 2013, 04:17 PM
:D
Denis

Grayrock
February 6, 2013, 04:37 PM
silicosys4 : I found a SAA USFA .357 magnum online a few months ago...It is a beautiful gun, every bit as well made as any Ruger I've seen, with deep bluing and very nice polish, everything was very well made and fitted.
The price was obscenely low. Under $300. I sure hope you jumped on THAT!!!!


He must be a little "whacky" to produce something like the Zip gun ,after having so much success with beautiful single actions. It does not make sense.
Arp32:Sounded like the owner is a tad eccentric and is going to try out the Zipgun thing for a year or two.
I think you hit the nail on the head.

silicosys4
February 6, 2013, 05:17 PM
I sure hope you jumped on THAT!!!!

I did, its been a fantastic gun for me
But I just looked at it, and realized its not a U.S.F.A. gun,
its a U.S.A. (United States Arms) gun. Easy to mistake. I believe they were another company that produced SAA's in the 70's before they folded.
I don't think they are the same company, and although the US Arms revolver I have is a fine gun, its not in the "custom SAA" arena.
I'd be sorry to see those USFA guns go though.

CraigC
February 6, 2013, 05:26 PM
Was that a US Arms Abilene single action???

silicosys4
February 6, 2013, 06:29 PM
Was that a US Arms Abilene single action???

Sure was. If anyone else sees one of these around for a reasonable price...it is as well put together as my Ruger's and has better bluing and polish, imo.

silicosys4
February 6, 2013, 06:35 PM
Bad picture, but its a nice gun.

DPris
February 6, 2013, 08:25 PM
Mr. Rogers,
USFA made an ANNOUNCEMENT last November, but the actual transition timeframe is unknown to most of us outside the operation.
No rock involved.
It was unclear exactly what the situation was, with the traditional site still up.
Denis

CraigC
February 6, 2013, 11:06 PM
Actually I would say that US Arms guns are better built and certainly better finished than any Ruger. Only downfall seems to be an inherently weak transfer bar that is easily replaced with a Ruger part. As we had to do on Dad's Abilene. Jim Stroh fixed it right up and the cost was minimal.

Jim K
February 6, 2013, 11:16 PM
I always liked the USFA guns. I have 4, two Rodeos, a "pre-war" finish, and a .36 percussion. All very nice.

Jim

peyton
February 7, 2013, 01:59 AM
I have been banging my head over the USFA decline and fall!! I got a 32-20 and they made a 327 magnum cylinder for it. I bought a second 32-20 and they said WAIT and four months later I am still WAITING:(

bannockburn
February 7, 2013, 07:48 AM
I guess I just don't get why someone would shelve a successful product like their fine single action revolvers and go with this plastic widget instead. One's a sure thing in terms of quality production and customer demand while the other seems to be a big gamble at this point in time in the current market.

Pilot
February 7, 2013, 08:01 AM
I bought a USFA Rodeo 4 3/4 in barrel in .45 Colt, a few years ago, and had Longhunter slick it up, and do the spring modification. Now I carry it as a woods gun. It is a very nice SAA, escpecially for the price I paid which was $450, N.I.B. I still want a Colt, but its nice to have the USFA in the meantime.

tipoc
February 7, 2013, 12:06 PM
The problem is Donnelly. He ran the company like his personal candy store and its direction depended on whatever whim he was riding at the moment. Had he been in charge of a company he did not own, he would've been fired a long time ago.

If true it's unfortunate. Not the first fella to do that with a good company though.

Personally I don't know enough facts about their financial status, profitability, debt, sales, etc. to have an informed opinion on why they are doing what they are doing. I don't really have many facts on what they are doing. Likely more info over to the Ruger forum or SASS cites.

tipoc

CraigC
February 7, 2013, 12:26 PM
You'll find more helpful info at CAS City than anywhere else I've seen.

DPris
February 7, 2013, 09:34 PM
Yes, of course USFA does exist, nobody said it doesn't.
Yes, we know they now make that Zipper.
And I really don't care if you really do have a Zip gun coming your way. :)
You're welcome to it. I'll stick to .22 handguns that fit my hand and look & feel like a gun that I can enjoy shooting. You're entitled to spend your money any way you want.
Not sure what you're trying to say.
Denis

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