C&B Belly Guns


February 5, 2013, 11:05 AM
In another thread, a member mentioned he liked the C&B belly guns so why not a thread about them? (Just the C&B snubs. Cartridge and conversions can have there own thread.)

Here are three of mine.


As much as I like the 1860, the balance of the 1851 is so much nicer and easier to carry. If I had it to do over, I would leave the 1860 with a 4"barrel. The 1847, well, it is easier to handle then a full sized one but still a lot of weight!

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February 5, 2013, 01:11 PM
Here is one of mine. In fact the only one. :eek:


February 5, 2013, 01:23 PM
4speed, that looks like one of the CVA Pocket Police kits. Did you put it together?

February 5, 2013, 01:44 PM
No I bought it on GB a while back. It looks like it had a loading lever in its former life so I assumed it was a cut down 1860. It is a 44.

February 5, 2013, 02:32 PM
All I've got that qualifies



I bought a 7" .44 Navy (yeah, I know Navys didn't come in .44) with the
intent on cutting it down, but it shoots better than the 5" on the gun now, so
I kept it un-cut. I may still cut that barrel if I get another navy some day.

February 5, 2013, 05:51 PM
Here is one of mine. In fact the only one. :eek:

4speed, that looks like an 1862 36 cal. police to me. Looks like a 5 shot cylinder instead of 6 like an 1860.

February 6, 2013, 02:14 AM
You may be right at least partially. To be honest I never really paid much attention to the cylinder I just glanced at the barrel and since it looks like a 44 caliber I assumed it was an 1860. In any case it looks cool in a case on my wall along side of a real 1849 relic.

February 6, 2013, 09:37 AM
Cool .

February 6, 2013, 11:16 AM
Just a wee bit larger. :scrutiny:


February 6, 2013, 11:20 AM
4speed, is that the relic you referenced in post #7?

February 6, 2013, 12:04 PM
No that is a Paterson. This is the relic. Here's pics. Sorry if they are a might little blurry.




February 7, 2013, 02:08 PM
Here's one I cut down and "antiqued" .44 cal. unknown Italian manufacture.

Pietta "Avenging Angel" in .44 cal.


February 7, 2013, 03:06 PM

February 7, 2013, 03:27 PM

Loosenock, Good work. Is that "Avenging Angel" a factory gun?

BHP, Both reeeal fine. I favor the one on the left. What was it born as?

How do you R&R the front sight?

I'll have to find me a couple of cheap beaters and practice. Looks like it might be fun.

February 7, 2013, 03:46 PM
4speed the "Avenging Angel" is a factory produced model. I can't remember when they were being produced but I think they are discontinued now. The brass piece with this one is the factory supplied loading tool. The loading lever and hardware not being on the snubbies.

If you have some time you might want to check out the "Replica Purcussion Revolver Collectors Association"s site at


It might take a little to be able to navigate around in the site at first but it is well worth quest.

I got the front sight for mine from Dixie Gun Works and carefully filed the dovetail on the barrel with a small triangle file.


February 7, 2013, 05:12 PM
4Speed, that was a factory stock .36 caliber version of the Avenging Angel made by Pietta as a companion piece to Loosenock's .44, but they used Pietta's ''1862 Police'' which is actually an 1861 Navy [the difference being that it's built on the Navy six shot frame rather than the 1849 pocket model's frame as a five shot, like the actual Colt was] I then modified it by mating an Uberti ''Thunderer'' [the .357 on the right] grip frame and grip from VTI Gunparts to fit. I had to widen the slot the hammer goes through, as the Pietta hammer is beefier, and enlarge the holes as Pietta used larger screws where the grip frame attaches to the action, or the actual frame of the revolver itself. I had thought it would be a straight across parts swap, but I ended up with about six to eight hours of 'smithing to get it to work!

February 7, 2013, 07:04 PM
BHP It sure is a looker. If you ever decide to switch from BP to stamp collecting let me know. :D

Loosenock I have been to that site numerous times however none of the images come up on my 'puter', and I have tried four different browsers and all my stuff like flash etc. is up to date. All I get is a ? where the image should be. :confused:

February 7, 2013, 10:43 PM

February 8, 2013, 05:46 PM

February 8, 2013, 05:49 PM
I'm curious as to the barrel lengths of the posted pistolas.

I've keep eyeing the 3 1/2" barrel Taylor's sells for the Uberti '62 Police. Makes it more of a "pocket" gun. But Cimmaron also sells a 4 1/2" version without needing anything extra...

February 10, 2013, 08:28 PM
Some revolvers look OK chopped and others are just plin UGLY if you chop em. No offense cause I know ya'll put a lot of work in em.

Hoof Hearted
February 11, 2013, 01:26 AM
All of these are conversions (hey, it's what I do).....:neener:


February 11, 2013, 02:07 AM

February 11, 2013, 08:30 AM
Hoof Hearted,

Is that a brass pietta NMA that you converted? What all was involved with that?What all did you do to the grips?

Even if left percussion I suddenly regret letting a Brass Pietta with "issues" (missing loading lever and uggly) get away by putting it back on a table without even haggling.


Hoof Hearted
February 11, 2013, 09:25 AM
Not sure WHAT it is:eek:
I'm guessing ASM............

It showed up here w/o a cylinder so it got CHOPPED!

If you take the grips off you will see how much frame you can remove and where. The Mill and the Dumore did the rest. Then stippped, sanded and oiled.


Hoof Hearted
February 11, 2013, 10:30 AM
Pietta is supposed to be bringing out just that (well sort of):banghead:

They have a Remington Belt Model DA that belongs to Walt Kirst and told him last year that they were going to produce it but this year at the Shot Show (according to Walt) they avoided the subject completely.......

February 11, 2013, 10:36 AM
Mormon avengers:eek:



Friend gave me a old 51 Navy kit that is missing a few parts, so I'm cutting and threading the arbor to just hold the cylinder on. Not a short barrel, no barrel at all. Ultimate belly gun.:what:

I'll finish this some day.

Hoof Hearted
February 11, 2013, 10:57 AM
I forgot to post my "pepperbox":what:

In the spirit of the thread (and to make Coffinmaker happy):


Old Dragoon
February 11, 2013, 05:33 PM
Particulars Please HH! What, where, and the cylinder.
I love that pepperbox!!

February 11, 2013, 07:23 PM
Hoof Hearted, you have to post more info!

Prairie Dawg
February 11, 2013, 11:51 PM
Here's some of my snubbies!

Custom ROA with Tru-Ivory grips; percussion & conversion cylinders; Mernickle holster.



Pietta Factory .44 1860 snubbies with cap guards; Holsters by Angry Angus; I have Thunderer gripframes for these as well.


Too much fun!

Hoof Hearted
February 12, 2013, 12:33 AM

This was something that EMF was going to bring out last year at Shot Show. They approached me with the thought of making conversions. I posted in a thread about it over on the CAS City forums and a feller that is no longer a contributor (partly over his attitude about the pepperbox) got his panties in a wad and well, it turned into a nightmare. He probably has a great sense of self worth since the negative press was about enough for EMF to drop the project. There were a handful made and sold. It is a Pietta '51 with a pepperbox cylinder and it may, very soon, be a 41 Colt 6 shot pepperbox.


February 12, 2013, 06:40 AM
HH, Thanks for the info.

Prarie Dawg, Cap Guards? Please explain and or photos. The Manhatten type of guard or the pin in hte frame or ???

February 12, 2013, 07:00 AM
MCB, good to see you posting again. Those Avengers are part of a collection but I don't remember from whom. I believe the owner displays them at the various Collector Shows. Interesting Dragoon in the one photo!

February 12, 2013, 08:36 AM

I drives me nuts that I can not quite read the info cards on the Mormon Avengers. I have fits trying to blow them up and read them in the hopes that one may have belonged to Brother Rockwell. He appearently started cutting back or having cut back colts when the Paterson was all there was. I have often wondered if he continued carrying bobbed pocket pistols of largest possible caliber into the cartridge era.


Prairie Dawg
February 12, 2013, 10:20 AM
Manhatten type -- a thin layer of the recoil shield is milled and replaced with a thin sheet of steel that has a slot for the hammer to pass thru.
The hammer is milled to fit thru the slot, but it is too narrow for a cap to slip thru into the action.
I like the mod, as filling the hammer face is with JB weld or something else is not 100% reliable.
I've never had a manhatten-style cap guard let me down.
Just sent my new 5.5" 1860s off to Rowdy Yates to have them done.
I had a pair with the pin type mod several years ago and did not care for it.

Prairie Dawg
February 12, 2013, 10:24 AM
That antique Avenging Angels display came from The Utah Gun Collectors Association October 2000 40th Anniversary Gun Show
Here's a link to the show's stuff -- not the page where I got the images.
I think I got them from the original show

February 12, 2013, 11:50 AM
Prairie Dawg, I sure would like to see photos of the Manhattan style cap-guard. I made a permanent style solid hammer for my Colt clones (http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=607779) but the Manhattan style cap-guard sounds even better.

February 12, 2013, 09:45 PM
Hey Prairie Dawg, I second Smokin'Joe's request. I've never heard of these cap-guards before.

And as for the rest of y'all...Knock if off. you're making me want to start cutting on my guns!

Prairie Dawg
February 13, 2013, 07:25 AM
Here you go:



February 13, 2013, 07:35 AM
Who here is interested in a DA cap and ball pocket revolver, with decent sights and the ability to handle smokeless powder pressures? Anyone?
Always wanted both versions of the New Model Belt revolver.

February 13, 2013, 12:49 PM
Prairie Dawg, Thanks for the photos of the Manhattan Cap-Guard on your Colt. Now I see how it's done.

February 14, 2013, 10:07 AM
Prairie Dawg, I sure would like to see photos of the Manhattan style cap-guard. I made a permanent style solid hammer for my Colt clones (http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=607779) but the Manhattan style cap-guard sounds even better.
This is from the patent papers


Waldo Nutter's book on the Manhattan firearms has a small write up on the cap shield.

February 14, 2013, 01:45 PM
It looks like from MCBs patent drawing post and the post on this subject last month that the thing does not have a slot for th hammer to pass through but instead is mearly bashed into the cap itself. This would undoubtably reduce cap fouling if it still allowed reliable ignition it would be simpler to make and cleaner than a sheild notched for the hammer to pass through.

Is it solid on the original guns?


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