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O C
February 5, 2013, 11:16 PM
In my pre-orgasmic frenzy over getting my new dual tub tumbler to clean my brass with stainless media, I loaded one tub with .357 and the other with .38 Spec. Then I watched the Super Bowl forgetting that the tumbler was still running. (Yes Myrtle, alcohol was involved). Now I come home and go down to the "Man Cave" to putz around, and realized the tumbler was happily running away. I unloaded the .357 tub and the brass was better than new looking. No problemo, I muttered. But to my chagrin, when I opened the .38 tub I discovered that the load I put in had been PRIMED.
Now what to do? I put them on a cookie sheet in the convection oven for 10 minutes, on very low heat and let them dry.Now, how many of you guys out there think that the primers will work? I'll put them in a revolver and see if they go "Bang". What are the odds? I personally think they are O K. What say you?

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horsemen61
February 5, 2013, 11:18 PM
wont know till you try them

1858
February 5, 2013, 11:19 PM
There's a good chance they'll still work. Water is an integral part of making primer mix, and commercial primers are placed in "hot houses" to dry out so I think that your odds are quite good.

TurtlePhish
February 5, 2013, 11:20 PM
They'll work. Put a spare primer in a glass of water for a week. Take it out and let it dry. It'll fire.

1858
February 5, 2013, 11:28 PM
I put them on a cookie sheet in the convection oven for 10 minutes, on very low heat and let them dry.

That may not be long enough. If the primer mix is saturated it might take a while for the water to evaporate through the flash hole. Can you still see the foil (paper) under the anvil? With enough water and agitation I would think you could wash out the primer mix from the cup.

XD 45acp
February 5, 2013, 11:38 PM
Put 1 or 2 primed empty cases in yer 38 and point in safe direction outside and see if they pop. If they do, the rest are probably ok too.

beatledog7
February 5, 2013, 11:40 PM
Water is not a deactivating agent for modern primers. Once dried out, they'll work.

O C
February 6, 2013, 12:21 AM
I'll try a few tomorrow, and post the results. My biggest concern is if the media got into them enough to remove the chemicals. We'll know tomorrow.

ObsidianOne
February 6, 2013, 01:47 AM
I wouldn't recommend putting primed brass in an oven though ._.

hueyville
February 6, 2013, 02:06 AM
How many? 100 or less and I would start over. Unless you can shoot in privacy, having one round fail in public would be more than I could stand. In my private range, would give them a week then load and shoot. Putting in oven would have been a non option for me.

James2
February 6, 2013, 02:16 AM
I would deprime and reprime with new primers.

blarby
February 6, 2013, 02:25 AM
Yes Myrtle, alcohol was involved)

Ya see the connection yet ?

As noted, water will not permanently deactivate primers.

Hondo 60
February 6, 2013, 02:29 AM
I had a round go thru 4 cycles in the washing machine.
After drying in open air for a week it went bang just like the others.

Lost Sheep
February 6, 2013, 03:06 AM
I had a round go thru 4 cycles in the washing machine.
After drying in open air for a week it went bang just like the others.
A loaded round's primer is better protected from the liquid than one open to cleaning media, even plain water, much less some that might have some kind of detergent or something in it (and I have no idea what the O.P. puts in his steel-pin tumbler).

3 or 4 dollars worth of primers is not worth the trouble of thinking too hard about it. Unless you can't find any more primers at all.

However, what to do with the unfired, probably still explosive, but not necessarily so.

Primers are pretty well sealed. So, I would set them in a sunlit area with a fan on them for a couple of days and do this:

My choice would be to load them and shoot them. Any that did not go off, would be disassembled and the unexpended primers disposed of in a fire (shielded, of course), one at at time so I could count them and not have too many go off at once. I would suspect most of them will go off. If any resulted in a squib, I would unscrew the barrel (Dan Wesson, don't you know) and clear it and continue.

Alternative, load up the empty cartridges and pop the primers off without powder or bullets.

Lost Sheep

ArchAngelCD
February 6, 2013, 03:17 AM
While i totally agree water alone will not deactivate a primer those primers were vigorously agitated so it's totally possible when they got wet enough the primer compound was dislodged from the primer or even some of the compound. The detergent probably did some damage too.

BUT, like said above, pull the trigger on a few empty cases and see...

slamfirev10
February 6, 2013, 05:04 AM
i'd make some wax loads out of them and let the kids bust some balloons

bds
February 6, 2013, 08:32 AM
Primers use caps and/or sealant to keep priming compound dry (that's why it's so hard to deactivate them and the color you see is not the color of the priming compound but the cap/sealant). I would chamber some in the pistol and see if they go "pop". If they do, I would test load some rounds.

http://www.thehighroad.org/attachment.php?attachmentid=154678&stc=1&d=1323749923

Different brand primers showing different caps/sealant and varying shape/height of anvils.
http://www.thehighroad.org/attachment.php?attachmentid=154677&stc=1&d=1323749923

Constrictor
February 6, 2013, 09:16 AM
In my pre-orgasmic frenzy over getting my new dual tub tumbler to clean my brass with stainless media, I loaded one tub with .357 and the other with .38 Spec. Then I watched the Super Bowl forgetting that the tumbler was still running. (Yes Myrtle, alcohol was involved). Now I come home and go down to the "Man Cave" to putz around, and realized the tumbler was happily running away. I unloaded the .357 tub and the brass was better than new looking. No problemo, I muttered. But to my chagrin, when I opened the .38 tub I discovered that the load I put in had been PRIMED.
Now what to do? I put them on a cookie sheet in the convection oven for 10 minutes, on very low heat and let them dry.Now, how many of you guys out there think that the primers will work? I'll put them in a revolver and see if they go "Bang". What are the odds? I personally think they are O K. What say you?
whats to dry from a tumbler?

O C
February 6, 2013, 11:09 AM
The stainless media works much better with some water in the tub along with a dab of dishwashing soap. The brass comes out shiney inside and out.

Constrictor
February 6, 2013, 11:19 AM
The stainless media works much better with some water in the tub along with a dab of dishwashing soap. The brass comes out shiney inside and out.
wow, i had never heard of anyone putting liquid in the media.

rsrocket1
February 6, 2013, 11:24 AM
How many is the big question.
If it was 200, you'd be out $6 if you deprimed and replaced.
Is it worth $6 to find out that 25% of your LOADED cartridges are unreliable, how about 10%, how about 5%.

RustyFN
February 6, 2013, 11:28 AM
wow, i had never heard of anyone putting liquid in the media.

Only in a rotary tumbler not a vibratory tumbler.

rdhood
February 6, 2013, 11:30 AM
I would deprime and reprime with new primers.

This.... or deprime, let primers and brass dry, reprime a few (enough to represent the group) with the dried-out primers, and test.

ArchAngelCD
February 6, 2013, 11:52 AM
wow, I had never heard of anyone putting liquid in the media.
Read it again, it's not the media you're thinking of. We are talking about very small Stainless Steel rods which are suspended in liquid media with some sort of soap and turned in a water tight rotary tumbler. The brass comes out as good or better than new, inside and out including the primer pockets.

Take a look at this site and run the videos, that should clear it up for you.
http://www.accurateshooter.com/technical-articles/reloading/brass-cleaning-with-stainless-media/

GLOOB
February 6, 2013, 03:18 PM
I'd put my money on bang 3:2.

If you left them in the oven for 2 full hours on low heat, I'd up my odds to 19:1.

gamestalker
February 6, 2013, 03:20 PM
For me, no question about it, I would deprime and consider it a lesson learned. I have a personal track record of zero mis-fires and zero mishaps since I started reloading 30+ years ago and wouldn't want to other wise change that track record. And I also think that regardless of how many primers are involved the mistake has to be corrected to fully realize your mistake, as in alcohol and reloading don't mix. This is a serious hobby wth very serious consequences for those who take it too lightly. No offense intended, I'm just being honest for the sake of your safety.

GS

homatok
February 6, 2013, 03:48 PM
Since no one has mentioned this yet --- If you fire a "primer only" in a revolver, be prepared to deal with a jammed cylinder! The primer backs out and ties up the gun! Dont' ask how I know this!!!

O C
February 6, 2013, 07:25 PM
OK here are the results of my sicentific test: I picked 12 rounds and they had 4 different headstamps, loaded in a S&W 13-4 and fired them one at a time to see if the different brands made a difference.......wait for it.......They all went bang!
This is after approx 24 hours in a tumbler with stainless media 2 cups water and a dab of soap. My opnion about primers went up a bit, they aren't that fragile. I've set one off using a Bunson burner, and it took far more heat than I would have guessed.

Anmut
February 7, 2013, 12:14 AM
This - primers are cheap - why mess with it anymore than you have to?

bds
February 7, 2013, 12:21 AM
Cheap? Relatively yes,

Attainable right now? Not for some reloaders.

ObsidianOne
February 7, 2013, 03:30 AM
For me, no question about it, I would deprime and consider it a lesson learned. I have a personal track record of zero mis-fires and zero mishaps since I started reloading 30+ years ago and wouldn't want to other wise change that track record. And I also think that regardless of how many primers are involved the mistake has to be corrected to fully realize your mistake, as in alcohol and reloading don't mix. This is a serious hobby wth very serious consequences for those who take it too lightly. No offense intended, I'm just being honest for the sake of your safety.

GS

Maybe I'm missing something here, but what damage could a wet primer do if you tried to fire the round? I'd imagine the worst it could do is not go bang....

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Lost Sheep
February 7, 2013, 03:47 AM
Since no one has mentioned this yet --- If you fire a "primer only" in a revolver, be prepared to deal with a jammed cylinder! The primer backs out and ties up the gun! Dont' ask how I know this!!!
Not every time. (You can ask how I know this.)

Besides, if you plan ahead, you keep your finger holding the trigger down. If the primer does back out, pull the hammer back again and give the primer a second strike, re-seating it.

Of course this will not work if you have a concealed-hammer revolver or no hammer spur.

Where there's a will, there's a way.

Lost Sheep

homatok
February 7, 2013, 02:04 PM
Quote "Besides, if you plan ahead, you keep your finger holding the trigger down. If the primer does back out, pull the hammer back again and give the primer a second strike, re-seating it."

Soooo obvious! Why didn't I think of that? Oh well --- learn something new every day! Thanks for that.

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