Lee Perfect Leak


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blarby
February 6, 2013, 04:21 AM
So, started loading some more 30 carbine tonight.

Charge a case.

*sparkle*

Charge another.

*sprinkle sprinkle*

*** !:eek:

My lee perfect powder measure is leaking h110 out the left side, between the roller, and the housing.

I know H110 is fine- but this has never happened before.

I emptied the hopper, and disassembled and reassembled everything.

*sprinkle sprinkle little star *

Its not alot- maybe 15-20 granules per stroke... sometimes 1 or 2.....but it adds up, dangit !

:cuss:

I don't think any other powder could fit in there, in that small space...its almost like the powder is acting like a dry lube !

So- has this happened to anyone else....... And is it fixable, or just time for a new measure for H110 use ?

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Havok7416
February 6, 2013, 05:58 AM
This happens in my Dillon powder measure and just with H110 so far. It got so bad I eliminated that powder from my lineup.

dragon813gt
February 6, 2013, 12:37 PM
I switched to using H110 in my Chargemaster only. It leaked in the PPM and the PAD. I won't stop using the powder as it works to well. I just got tired of wasting it.


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Poppaj78
February 6, 2013, 01:05 PM
My Lee powder measurer did the same thing to the other day. I had was loading titegroup. I tightened up a little on the screw it made it a little harder but it doesn't leak FOR NOW.

BossHogg
February 6, 2013, 01:24 PM
Yeah, I think they all do. Just put a piece of paper under it and try to catch as much of the powder you can. :)

KansasSasquatch
February 6, 2013, 02:21 PM
I haven't had any problems using extruded rifle powders or Red Dot in my Lee measure. But I put some True Blue in it the other day and it was leaking pretty bad. I used the method BossHogg suggested.

Constrictor
February 6, 2013, 02:33 PM
welcome to lee reloading equipment owndership.

GLOOB
February 6, 2013, 03:10 PM
I'm sure Lee PPM isn't alone with having the H110 problem.

I stick with a dipper for H110. But when my jug is gone, I'll be trying 2400 so I can ditch the dipper and the magnum primers, too.

ATLDave
February 6, 2013, 03:33 PM
Did you try wiping down that little white silicone gasket?

blarby
February 6, 2013, 05:38 PM
I did a complete reassembly and wipe through, Dave.

I didn't pay particularly close attention to that gasket- but I will go back in and try again.

I'm wondering if I just finally wore through something- as I never had this problem before.

ATLDave
February 6, 2013, 06:11 PM
I was just thinking that maybe some coarse grains got stuck to it and are causing it not to make a nice seal, allowing leakage.

dagger dog
February 6, 2013, 06:21 PM
Mine leaked even with tightening the screw, after it was well broken in it finally stopped,to try to speed thing up, if you have some powder mica or graphite take it apart and dust the rotor and body.

While it was in the break in period I used it for stick powder like Varget and RE15, never cut one grain of powder and was smooth as silk compared to my RCBS Uniflow which is very jerky and crunchy with those type powders.

Don't be hasty to condem Lee products they are a great value for little $$$$$.

matrem
February 6, 2013, 07:12 PM
Mine's only used to drop H335, and it's leaked it from the time it was new, and is still leaking it after thousands & thousands of drops.

For the first thousand or so drops that bugged me and I took it apart a few times to tighten it and "fix" it but couldn't "fix" it.

Now I just clean up the powder once in a while and appreciate the fact that it dumps ball powder every bit as accurate as my Lyman 55 for less than half the price.
I still don't believe it could last as long as a 55, but so far so good.

BullfrogKen
February 6, 2013, 07:16 PM
I like Lee products, but that plastic powder measure is going to leak that fine ball powder. Period. I bought a steel replacement measure after I got more serious about reloading.

splattergun
February 6, 2013, 08:23 PM
I took a small paper plate, cut a T-notch into it, so that it fits onto the mount stand, and place it directly under the powder measure. It catches nearly every granule of powder that might leak, and cost about .05 and 5 seconds to make.

My .05 ;)

SSN Vet
February 6, 2013, 10:01 PM
Not to sound like a wise guy, but did you try tightening up the drum screw?

hAkron
February 6, 2013, 10:52 PM
I had the same issue with a lee auto disk and H-110. It does well in my Hornady measure and my RCBS measure.

jcwit
February 6, 2013, 11:16 PM
Just a thought. I also use a Lee PPM but I use IMR 4227 powder which is also a very good powder for the 30 cal carbine round. Nice thing about 4227 is its virtually impossible to double charge the case.

Rollis R. Karvellis
February 6, 2013, 11:23 PM
The Lee is notorious for leaking, it is almost as bad as a Dillon.

noylj
February 6, 2013, 11:25 PM
It also happens with AA7 and True Blue.
The measure will "wear in."
I consider the measure best used as a bench-mount with paper under it to collect the powder. This way, the leakage is a non-issue and you just pour the powder back in the hopper.
After cleaning up everything, when you put it together, increase the tension.
Have you run some powdered graphite through it?

jcwit
February 7, 2013, 12:24 AM
I have read of some reloaders using fine valve grinding compound to improve the seating of both halves of the cone.

I have never needed to do this tho with mine.

GLOOB
February 7, 2013, 12:37 AM
I'm wondering if I just finally wore through something- as I never had this problem before.
I doubt it. Mine will throw H335/W748/BLC-2 type ball powder all day long without spilling a kernel. H110 works ok til it starts the ole snap, crackle, pop, then starts leaking on every pull.

Mine's only used to drop H335, and it's leaked it from the time it was new, and is still leaking it after thousands & thousands of drops.

For the first thousand or so drops that bugged me and I took it apart a few times to tighten it and "fix" it but couldn't "fix" it.
It's most likely fixable. Just could take more effort than it's worth. I have fixed two using buffing compound. Slather a bit into the halves, then twist away. One was so bad I made drill adaptor to do the turning. They're both 100% with everything I've tried, except H110.

biogenic
February 7, 2013, 01:59 AM
The Lee is notorious for leaking, it is almost as bad as a Dillon.

Really ??? "as bad as Dillon" ? How can you even compare Lee with Dillon ? :fire: Never saw my 550 "leak"...

blarby
February 7, 2013, 03:16 AM
The measure will "wear in."

At last stock I'm at almost 21k rounds through this one- if its not broke in by this point, its never gonna get it.

This unfortunately is not a new measure, nor the 1st, 2nd, or 50th time its been loaded with h-110.

I've taken it apart completely again, and its still doing it :<

RE-15
February 7, 2013, 08:15 AM
It was only $25, consider that. I tweaked the three I own and they work perfect. If I loose .05 cents worth of powder while loading, it is a "almost perfect powder". Good enough for me.

Rollis R. Karvellis
February 7, 2013, 12:06 PM
All three of my Dillon's have leaked small ball powder's, it is just the way it is. The Dillon's are very good, but will leak. Despite what the Dillon ad's say, they are not perfect.

Hondo 60
February 7, 2013, 01:00 PM
Back when I was using a Lee PPM, it leaked all over.
I bought a Uniflow & that stopped.

Yes, that's an expensive fix, but I'd REALLY rather not have powder all over.
It be way too easy to ignite.

GLOOB
February 7, 2013, 02:42 PM
If your PPM ever worked with H110 without leaking, in the past, you don't have a problem with your measure. You got one of the really good ones. Trust the rest of us, here. :)

I could probably get mine up to H110 level, but I'd need to buy a more aggressive grinding compound. With my polishing compound it would take hours to get to all the low spots where a H110 spec could squeeze it's way in, even using my drill adaptor.

It's much easier to polish away the high spots. When you're left with little depressions, here and there, you have to grind away 95% of the surface to get those out.

Considering how small W748/H335 is, I'm happy my PPM's work with those ball powders just fine and leave the H110 for dippers.

H110 is just an annoyingly fine powder. I've read "Lee is crap. My X brand measure never leaks" many times. But with H110, specifically? That's the question. If you think your measure is perfect, try H110 before you toot your own horn. You might be disappointed. Pouring fine sand-like particles into any type of precision machinery is a gamble.

So far, I'm counting only one endorsement for H110, being the Chargemaster.

ScratchnDent
February 7, 2013, 06:58 PM
My PPM leaked AA#7, the finest powder I've used. Disassembling, cleaning, and liberally dusting the insides of the rotor with graphite, then tightening it down good solved the problem.I don't know if it would pass the H110 test, though!

blarby
February 7, 2013, 07:10 PM
Sand is coarse compared to H110 :p

I dont think my lee is crap- just wondering what finally caused it to let go.


So, who regularly uses what powder measure with H110, with NO leaks ?

dragon813gt
February 7, 2013, 10:50 PM
RCBS Chargemaster :)
I rarely use manual dispensers since I bought it. No leaking and it works with all powder types. It is more money but worth it.


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GLOOB
February 7, 2013, 11:23 PM
So far, I'm counting only one endorsement for H110, being the Chargemaster.
Yep. I already counted you, from your first post. :)

BullfrogKen
February 7, 2013, 11:56 PM
I use an RCBS and Lyman measure. Neither of them leak with any of the fine ball powders I've used.

JEB
February 8, 2013, 12:08 AM
you think thats bad, try some AA#7. when i was trying to use my PPM with #7 i could drop 10 charges and have enough powder on my bench to load the 11th! h110 leaked so bad i could hardly turn the drum, no matter how tight or loose the screw was. finally i got an RCBS uniflow and never looked back.

problem solved.

JEB
February 8, 2013, 12:20 AM
*UPDATE*

Just for the sake of this thread, i went and ran a full hopper of h110 through my uniflow to check for leaks. just as i expected, there was not a single one and it ran smooth as silk. i would highly recommend this measure for the fine powders.

C.F. Plinker
February 8, 2013, 12:24 AM
Sand is coarse compared to H110 :p

I dont think my lee is crap- just wondering what finally caused it to let go.


So, who regularly uses what powder measure with H110, with NO leaks ?
When my Dillon wouldn't work with H110 I started using a Bonanza Benchrest measure. No problems at all. It measures accurately and never has leaked even a little bit.

armarsh
February 8, 2013, 12:35 AM
My Lee Auto Disk does not leak with H110. My PPM did leak, however.

BullfrogKen
February 8, 2013, 09:41 AM
The Auto Disk uses an entirely different method to dispense powder. I have one and it's never leaked either.

Pete D.
February 8, 2013, 09:46 AM
welcome to lee reloading equipment owndership.
Not just Lee, I have a Redding Match Grade 3BR measure....it leaks the fine powders.

Pete

jcwit
February 8, 2013, 12:44 PM
Solution? Don't use fine powders, or use a dipper when using fine powders.

Or maybe just put up with the leaking.

Nothing made by man reaches total perfection.

4season
February 8, 2013, 09:25 PM
My Lee measure had the same problem. I bought a Lyman measure and haven't had a problem since.

12Bravo20
February 8, 2013, 09:41 PM
It's not just powder measures for metallic cartridges that have problems with H110 or any fine grain powder. I reload 410 shot shells with a MEC 600 and get leaks when using H110 and Winchester 296.

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