Hornady not shipping bullets to suppliers?


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ole farmerbuck
February 6, 2013, 08:00 AM
This an email I got from wholesale Hunter yesterday. I ordered 1000 55gr Z-max bullets a while back when they emailed me that the ones I wanted were in. They had over 2500 and I ordered 1000. It took them a while but this what I got from them.
We apologize but we must cancel your order. The items are out of stock and have been temporarily discontinued by Hornady.

Hornady is not producing the component bullets for consumers at this time. All component bullets they are
producing are going to produce more loaded ammunition.

This was a decision made by Hornady to help meet the demands of consumers trying to purchase loaded ammunition; because of this, we will not have any component bullets from Hornady for the foreseeable future.

A full refund will be issued to your account. Please allow 2-3 business days for the refund to be posted.

Once again, we apologize for any inconvenience this may have caused.

Thanks,
Wholesale Hunter

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bikerdoc
February 6, 2013, 08:16 AM
I suspect powder and primers will follow.

del4
February 6, 2013, 08:22 AM
Yeah, I was shocked when I actually found 150g sst's. It was the last box. Components are thin. I am seeing more loaded ammunition though.

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Walkalong
February 6, 2013, 08:29 AM
Some of this happened the last time. Ammo gets done first, components second. I hope everyone bought a little extra the last three years. :)

thomis
February 6, 2013, 08:32 AM
Interesting status report from Valley Guns in West Virginia:

Status of gun industry

Attention F.B. fans: to follow will be several IMPORTANT Info updates about the status of the gun industry currently, followed by an INVENTORY UPDATE: We traveled to Texas for Industry meetings concerning the shortages, here's what we were told.

Smith & Wesson-is running at Full capacity making 300+ guns/day-mainly M&P pistols. They are unable to produce any more guns to help with the shortages.

RUGER: Plans to increase from 75% to 100% in the next 90 days.

FNH: Moving from 50% production to 75% by Feb 1st and 100% by March 1. Remington-Maxed out!

Armalite: Maxed out.

DPMS: Can't get enough parts to produce any more product.

COLT: Production runs increasing weekly...bottle necked by Bolt carrier's.

LWRC:Making only black guns, running at full capacity...can't get enough gun quality steel to make barrels.

Springfield Armory: Only company who can meet demand but are running 30-45 days behind.

AMMO: Every caliber is now Allocated! We are looking at a nation wide shortage of all calibers over the next 9 months. All plants are producing as much ammo as possible w/ of 1 BILLION rounds produced weekly. Most is military followed by L.E. and civilians are third in line.

MAGPUL is behind 1 MILLION mags, do not expect any large quantities of magpul anytime soon.

RELOADERS... ALL Remington, Winchester, CCI & Federal primers are going to ammo FIRST. There are no extra's for reloading purposes... it could be 6-9 months before things get caught up. Sorry for the bleak news, but now we know what to expect in the coming months

sota
February 6, 2013, 08:39 AM
On the bright side, once things catch up all these companies will be thoroughly in the black. maybe it'll spur some new toy innovations from them.

oh and you can add H&K to that list. we've been trying to get another group buy going for the HK45 this time and we've basically gotten...

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tgzzzz
February 6, 2013, 09:07 AM
On the dark side, I can imagine some scenarios where Feds could excise/luxury/? tax ammo makers out of existence. Nationalization is a plausible nightmare. Think Amtrak. USPS. I have a bad feeling this UBC issue has been planned for this second term, where a loss wouldn't hurt Progressives too much, and the footwork to try again is a well-trod path.

Cat-skinning 101

ole farmerbuck
February 6, 2013, 01:13 PM
Now I dont know what to think. I just got 1500 Hornady bullets that I ordered on 12/7. Must be shipping some.:banghead:

Avenger29
February 6, 2013, 01:25 PM
thomis, that is going around the internet and no sources cited.

That said, as far as ammunition goes, due to the high demand production of loaded ammunition is being favored over components, so powder, primers(which were def short supply in '08), brass, bullets are all going to loaded ammuntion which only makes sense.

As far as the line about .mil and police ammo, .mil ammo is produced by Federal/ATK at the Lake City plant and they still have to fill their contracts for that regardless of what the crazy market is doing. Same thing for manufactures that have LE contracts- those contracts must be filled because the manufacturer bid on it and agreed to supply the ammunition per the contract schedule...or lawyers get involved.


The only thing that is really surprising about this shortage is the disappearance of .22 ammunition. Sure would be nice to be able to get some!

slowr1der
February 6, 2013, 01:26 PM
I noticed that Midway also says the Z Max bullets are discontinued by the manufacturer so I don't know.

That said, I ordered some 150 grain Hornady SP bullets back in mid December and they are still backordered. I'm hoping to get them, but things aren't looking good.

.22 ammo being hard to find doesn't really surprise me. I remember it being very hard to get back in 2009 as well.

c.latrans
February 6, 2013, 01:42 PM
A shooting buddy and I split 1000 180 grain interlocks just before the Sandy Hook fiasco, and we have been trying without luck to order a lot of 165's ever since. Guess this explains it!

Bubbles
February 6, 2013, 01:49 PM
It's been reported several places that sales of components will go to commercial ammunition manufacturers first, and anything left over after that will be available for private reloaders.

mdemetz
February 6, 2013, 02:59 PM
Also Berry's (http://www.berrysmfg.com/products.aspx?n=279012)

cowtownup
February 6, 2013, 04:27 PM
I wonder how Hornady will handle their bullet promotion for those who have bought their presses and other loading components?

ny32182
February 6, 2013, 04:33 PM
There are reputable reports of several companies streamlining what they are producing now, such as magpul going to all black plastic stuff for the time being; I suspect the motivation is less down time for swapping products and thus more throughput.

Since the "Z-max" bullet was surely meant as a joke from the start, they are probably "temporarily discontinued" to focus on getting as much of their high volume stuff out the door as possible. Zombie killin' will have to get done with ordinary FMJ or ballistic tip. :rolleyes:

mgmorden
February 6, 2013, 05:52 PM
I suspect powder and primers will follow.

Most of the powder companies aren't ammo companies.

There are plenty of bullet companies that aren't either. I'm not sure Montana Gold, Precision Delta, or Zero for example ever go into pre-loaded ammo except for specialty outfits.

Primers are a concern though as those all come from ammo companies.

OldMac
February 6, 2013, 09:29 PM
I bet Ford And GM wish a senator and Barry would start talking about banning cars because of the unacceptable amount of injury/death caused by drunk/pilled drivers. Imagine running every US car plant and parts manufacturer a full capacity and every car lot and parts store sold out as the trucks are unloaded. While it may be inconvienent for the consumer, this sellers market and max production is a manufacturers wet dream. Hornady and the rest of the industry will be stronger after a year of max production and profit. Consumers can rest assured that their investment in ammo, guns, or reloading components is likely more stable than keeping dollars while the printing presses run 24/7.

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