Arkasas SB131 (CHCL privacy bill)


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r1derbike
February 6, 2013, 11:52 PM
This worthy bill has been introduced, but Gov. Beebe is opposed to it. Given the the absolute chaos elsewhere, we MUST convince the Governor it is absolutely essential he is on board. Gov. Beebe also opposes OC in Arkansas as well.

We Arkansas' permit holders must change his mind, and quickly, as he realizes not the implications if he vetoes this Bill.

Contact information is also in the link below:

http://www.nraila.org/legislation/state-legislation/2013/2/arkansas-senate-passes-concealed-carry-license-privacy-bill.aspx?s=&st=&ps=

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Outlaw Man
February 7, 2013, 12:01 PM
Fortunately, my Senator is behind this. Can't say the same for my Rep. :mad:

I've been trying to decide about emailing Beebe and what I'd say. I really want to tell him the only way I'd consider not supporting this bill is if he allowed a Constitutional Carry bill to go through. AT LEAST, people would have the option of keeping off the list.

It's not a fair compromise, though. I don't understand the logic of not supporting this bill unless you really want a list to be published in the papers.

baz
February 7, 2013, 01:30 PM
Well, this bill has to clear the House before anyone worries what Beebe will do. I just checked the Legislature's website, and it has been referred to the House Judiciary Committee, but I don't see any hearings or anything scheduled on it yet. I have not been actively involved in this legislation (unlike the "Church Carry" bill), so I have no idea of its chances in Committee in the House. The "Church Carry" bill went through in a breeze. I would think that the "Arkansas Carry (http://www.arkansascarry.com/)" people are as in the loop on this bill as anybody. Their biggest priority is Open Carry, but I don't think anything has even been filed on that, so I would think that this would get some attention because it has not only been filed, but has passed the Senate.

sanforb
February 7, 2013, 01:37 PM
We will get rid of obeebe soon. I think this will pass pretty easy. We will have to see what the gov does.

Kim
February 7, 2013, 10:04 PM
Watch out for Halter. He is a lefty. He ran to the left with outside money and tired to primary Blanche. She won but lost the General cause of her vote for Obama Care. He must not win.

r1derbike
February 7, 2013, 11:26 PM
Here is the reply, I got from the Guv's office today:

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Dear Mr. XXXXXX-

Governor Beebe has received your recent e-mail. The Governor does not answer mail electronically, but he has seen your message and appreciates knowing your thoughts about concealed handgun license information laws. The current law was the result of a 2009 Legislative compromise, which has served the state well for the past four years in protecting both the privacy of permit holders and the state’s Freedom of Information Act. The current law states that only names and zip codes, not street addresses, are available to interested parties. Governor Beebe is satisfied that this protects gun owners without weakening Arkansas’s very important FOIA, known to be one of the best in the nation. Thank you for writing to our office. Please let us know if we can be of assistance in the future.

Sincerely,

XXXXXX XXXXXXXX

Special Assistant for Agency and Legislative Affairs

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I'm assuming this reply is indicative of a veto for the bill...in other words, it was passed-off to a minion for disposal.

baz
February 8, 2013, 08:48 AM
I'm assuming this reply is indicative of a veto for the bill...Well, might that not depend on how strong the vote is? If it is strong enough to suggest an override, maybe he might just sign it. And, the reply just reiterates his current public stance, so who's to know what kind of jawboning might be going on behind the scenes. While Beebe may be term limited as Governor, might he not have aspirations for further political office, say a U.S. Senate run, someday? If so, he'll be thinking about his 2nd. Amendment "Credentials" and he would know that a vote against this could come back to haunt him.

But meanwhile, it has to get through the House, and I'm wondering if that's going to be a struggle. My bet would be that if it gets through the House with strong support, Beebe will sign it. If it just squeaks through the House, I'd still think it possible he might sign it, for political posterity's sake.

r1derbike
February 8, 2013, 08:56 AM
Well, might that not depend on how strong the vote is? If it is strong enough to suggest an override, maybe he might just sign it. And, the reply just reiterates his current public stance, so who's to know what kind of jawboning might be going on behind the scenes. While Beebe may be term limited as Governor, might he not have aspirations for further political office, say a U.S. Senate run, someday? If so, he'll be thinking about his 2nd. Amendment "Credentials" and he would know that a vote against this could come back to haunt him.

But meanwhile, it has to get through the House, and I'm wondering if that's going to be a struggle. My bet would be that if it gets through the House with strong support, Beebe will sign it. If it just squeaks through the House, I'd still think it possible he might sign it, for political posterity's sake.
It ain't over 'til the fat lady sings! The governor is on record as saying he would veto any OC legislation crossing his desk.

baz
February 8, 2013, 09:51 AM
It ain't over 'til the fat lady sings! The governor is on record as saying he would veto any OC legislation crossing his desk.You are right about that; it ain't over until it's over. But the privacy bill and OC are very different things. I'm wondering if we'll even see an OC bill introduced, let alone passed and put to he Governor to sign or veto. We're midway through the session, I think, and no bill has been filed (that I'm aware of). That suggests to me a difficulty finding sponsors. I'm not holding my breath on OC. But I think the privacy bill has a good shot at becoming law.

Spats McGee
February 8, 2013, 10:03 AM
I think baz has it right. Governor Beebe may oppose the privacy bill, but if it gets strong support & lots of votes for its passage, I'm not sure he'll veto it. OC may be a different story, but I'm also unaware of any OC bills having been introduced. I hope to check bill status later, and I'll update on both of those issues if I can.

r1derbike
February 8, 2013, 12:19 PM
I would be quite happy with a blackout of CHCL permit information for the state. Even the name and zip code public information gives clever puzzle solvers enough information to make me uneasy.

I certainly hope it comes to pass. OC is not a big thing with me. Even if it passed, I wouldn't do it, just to keep others from attempting to relieve me of it, for whatever reason. I'd feel the need to be hyper-vigilant if OC'ing.

baz
February 8, 2013, 03:57 PM
On the privacy bill, I'm going to watch for action in the House, and consider trying to contact some people who may be "in the know" to see if we need to get some supporters to show up at a committee hearing. I really haven't thought much about this before now, but I think there is a flaw in Beebe's (and anyone who agrees) thinking about why this should be subject to FOIA. I am not a government agent/employee. So why should my private info be subject to an FOIA request of a government agency? Is info that DFA has on me subject to FOIA? If not, why not, and why should the info that the State Police has on me because I have a CHL any different?

Added: can I ask DFA for the addresses of everyone who owns a Mercedes? (Could be useful info for burglars, I think.)

Outlaw Man
February 8, 2013, 06:21 PM
Baz, I'm not sure about the DFA, but that makes sense. The FOIA was put in place to give the government transparency, not private citizens. How quickly do you think he'd be acting to stop it if someone tried to publish a list of all the welfare recipients in the State?

Let me know if they say there needs to be supporters there for the committee. I'm close enough to come down there if I need to.

BGD
February 8, 2013, 09:13 PM
I have sent some email's asking for support on this. Haven't seen any replies.

r1derbike
February 9, 2013, 03:17 AM
Thanks for all help on this. No reason any of our personal information should be out there. ASP and County Sheriffs already have that info in their databases, for their purposes.

Kiln
February 9, 2013, 04:35 AM
I love how the media in Arkansas is spinning this as the evil government trying to not to be transparent and blocking access to public record. I read it in the paper at work a couple of days ago.

This is ridiculous and it is the media's (albeit in a different state) fault that this has to be done in the first place to protect people's privacy from them!

Lethal Threat
February 9, 2013, 08:59 AM
I got the same form letter back also.

baz
February 14, 2013, 04:21 PM
Received a "Do Pass" in the House Judiciary Committee today, but I don't see yet that it was voted on.

r1derbike
February 15, 2013, 01:48 AM
I saw that as well. Probably enjoying too many valentine treats to vote today...

Now if Beebe will sign it, once it appears on his desk...

r1derbike
February 15, 2013, 01:57 AM
I may remember getting to witness house/senate proceedings. Our 6th grade class took a trip to Little Rock to see our government in action.

One old goat was folding paper airplanes out of his copy of some bill, and flying them toward the front. We were all impressed, but our teacher was horrified!

This was in 1966. I hope things have gotten better since then.:eek:

baz
February 15, 2013, 10:36 AM
Do you know what "Do Pass" signifies? Does it now go to the House floor, or does it still require a roll call vote of the House Judiciary committee? I don't know much about the finer points of the legislative process.

Outlaw Man
February 15, 2013, 10:59 AM
Baz,

It means that the committee recommends that the House pass it. Next step is a full vote from the House.

Assuming it passes with no amendments, it will then go to Beebe's desk, where I predict it will sit without a signature until the time passes that it will automatically become law.

r1derbike
February 15, 2013, 08:01 PM
http://nraila.org/legislation/state-legislation/2013/2/arkansas-urge-your-legislators-to-protect-the-church-protection-act-and-support-right-to-carry-confidentiality.aspx

baz
February 15, 2013, 10:40 PM
The NRA-ILA alert also relates to HB1284. I just sent an email to the sponsors of HB1284, and all the other members of the Judiciary Committee. I'll post something about it in the other thread about HB1284.

r1derbike
February 16, 2013, 12:19 AM
Thanks, Baz

BGD
February 16, 2013, 07:38 PM
I hope open carry becomes a reality. The thing I like about open carry is that if your concealed weapon inadvertently becomes momentarily visible you can't get into trouble. Hopefully these bills will have enough support to override any veto. That is how concealed carry got passed in Kansas. If this keeps up we definitely need to replace our governor next election.

baz
February 16, 2013, 10:17 PM
If this keeps up we definitely need to replace our governor next election. Beebe is out in any event. He cannot run again because of term limits. But I cannot help but think he'll eventually set his eyes on a federal office (Senate, most likely, which is what Bumpers, and Pryor, governors before him did--Clinton skipped the Senate, and made for the White House). But as red as Arkansas has become, he'll have a tough time doing that as a Democrat, especially if he tarnishes his 2nd Amendment credentials along the way.

Outlaw Man
February 18, 2013, 06:10 PM
Looks like the House vote was delayed until tomorrow.

baz
February 19, 2013, 03:44 PM
It passed the House. Just pulled this off the Ark Legislature web site:House 2/19/2013 2:10:39 PM Returned To the Senate as passed.
House 2/19/2013 2:10:36 PM EMERGENCY CLAUSE ADOPTED

baz
February 19, 2013, 04:30 PM
More action in the Senate:Senate 2/19/2013 2:56:16 PM ORDERED ENROLLED
Senate 2/19/2013 2:55:59 PM Returned from the House as passed.We should see it sent to the Governor next.

The vote in the House was 83-3, with 13 not voting. Beebe opposed the bill, but with the strong support in both houses -- 24-9 in the Senate -- it should be veto proof. He'll probably just let it go into effect without signing. With the emergency clause, that would be in 5 business days (includes Saturday, but not Sunday).

Update:Senate 2/19/2013 3:45:40 PM DELIVERED TO GOVERNOR.
Senate 2/19/2013 3:45:29 PM Reported correctly enrolled and ordered delivered to the Governor.

Outlaw Man
February 19, 2013, 06:29 PM
I suspect you're right. It's about as veto proof as it could be.

That said, if I don't move before then, I know who I'm going to have to work on getting replaced. My Rep was one of the three and has yet to respond to my emails.

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