1911 vs glock (or xd)


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gibson_es
February 7, 2013, 12:25 AM
Been reading on this. Its something i dont have enough knowledge with i guess.

I first owned an xd 45 compact. I loved it. But i couldnt carry it concealed because no matter how i tried i always printed.

Then i got a colt commander 1911 in 45 acp as well. Loved the feel. It felt better to me then any glock or xd or revolver. And it was thin enough i could conceal it . But it didnt feed hollow points too good. Tried all kinds. And i was sure to have a malfuntion every 50-100 rounds. Only with hollow points though. So now that's gone.

Right now im thinking on a wilson combat. But that's a steep price. However, once a gun is owned. The price doesnt effect how well it will save your life.

That said. I want a gun i can carry and not worry about. Im not talking maintenance. Im talking what it can handle and still function. One thing i like about glock is how much abuse it can take. While i dont plan on dropping guns from helicopters any time soon. It would ne nice if i go to the mud hole or if im in the swamp or i dive out of a boat for something that i can ttust it to work if i have to use it before i get home to clean it. And im not sire how the 1911's colt or wilson either one can do with these things. My colt i got used 13 years after it was made. It may not be the guns fault. So im also considering a new xse colt.

Any thing out there showing what any of these can handle? I looked for articles and youtube videos. Not alot out there. I did find one that didnt end well for the sig 1911 as far as testing goes. I have never been a big fan of glock. But when it comes to safety i am willing to put my feelings aside. I also am thinking aboit the XDs.

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mljdeckard
February 7, 2013, 12:56 AM
If you can't carry an XD .45 c without printing, you need a new gameplan.

Did you have the commander looked at to see if it needed to be throated?

gibson_es
February 7, 2013, 01:07 AM
No i did not. I was not familiar with that at the time. Not in its entirety anyway.

savanahsdad
February 7, 2013, 01:10 AM
I was at the range tonight , I took my S&W mod 19-5 ( 357mag) my Super BlackHawk (44mag) , my Braco 380, and my S&W 1911 (45ACP) a friend and his wife brought a XD 45 full size , a XD 40 and Bersa 380. , winner for the night was my S&W 1911 , shooting 200gr cast SWC , after they left I shot a 3" group at 30' , OH that was a 25 round group, the funny thing was the first 5 rounds were 3" and the other 20 rounds stayed right in there ,


so I vote 1911 , and there is a Glock 17 in my safe , and it has spent most of the last 13 years there ,

Autolycus
February 7, 2013, 01:13 AM
I would just trade the Commander in for a Glock 19 or Glock 17. The Glock is reliable and it will take a beating without being nearly as fussy as any 1911 style pistol.

gibson_es
February 7, 2013, 01:21 AM
Sorry but caliber isnt up for debate. I switched from 9mm to 45 acp a few years ago and dont care to go back. There great to have at home for the range. Maybe even shtf. But i personally prefer the 45for for edc. And home defense. (As far as handguns go)

Also, i stated that the commander is gone... so no trading in.

Firefightermdc
February 7, 2013, 01:28 AM
Glock. Just got rid of one of my 1911s (springer micro) to fund a gen 3 glock 36. Single stack .45. Awesome. Xds is a great option too, just like the Glock a little better

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ugaarguy
February 7, 2013, 02:17 AM
I like 1911s when they're built right, but with everybody and their brother making a clone they aren't always built right. When built correctly a 1911 is as tough and reliable as any pistol made. Wilson's are nice, but there are other excellent options in that price range. There are even some great options at lower price points. If you go back to a 1911 do plenty of 1911 specific research, and be ready to pay to play. We could fill up an entire thread on this topic alone, so I'll stop here.

If you want to skip all the research and debate, then just get a Glock, XD, or S&W M&P in .45 ACP; or a SIG P220.

I'm not a big Glock fan for personal reasons, but they tend to work really well, the price is reasonable, and there's huge aftermarket support for them.

I like the XD pistols a little better than the M&P pistols; but S&W offers a pretty substantial discount to LE, active & retired military, and disabled veterans through their LE distributors, so I own M&Ps. I like all the options such as interchangeable back straps, thumb safety or no thumb safety, and magazine disconnect or no disconnect S&W offers on the M&P series. You can really get what you want feature wise with an M&P. The M&P pistols are the only line that even approaches Glocks, SIGs, and 1911s in aftermarket support. If they made the M&P Shield in .45 ACP I'd be all over one.

The classic metal frame SIGs are just great pistols. They're reliable, durable, and tend to be very accurate. They have great acceptance in military and LE use, so holsters and aftermarket support are superb. I prefer their DAK and DAO models, but most folks like the standard DA/SA better. Their frame mounted de-cocker on the DA/SA models is the best execution of such a feature on the market in my opinion. If you're willing to spend 1911 money and carry a metal frame pistol I wouldn't overlook SIG.

After some early design revisions the Ruger SR series pistols have also been excellent. I don't care for their huge loaded chamber indicator, but I'm a big fan of the low profile frame mounted safety, and very slim overall profile of the SR series. Holster selection and aftermarket support aren't as good for the SR series as for XD and M&P pistols, but there are still good options available. Ruger added a .45 ACP model to the SR series this year, so I'd keep an eye on reviews as those get out and folks get some rounds through them.

You have plenty of very good options, so take your time and find what works best for you.

2zulu1
February 7, 2013, 02:30 AM
There are a lot of reliable production 1911s to choose from, currently, Colt is at the height of their game and Springfield Armory is in there too. I like my Colt XSE and wouldn't mind having a SA MC Operator.

http://www.10-8performance.com/pages/Choosing-a-1911-for-Duty-Use.html

My main 1911 carry these days is in 38 Super.

Girodin
February 7, 2013, 02:36 AM
As a general rule the poly framed striker fired guns are going to be easier to maintain than a 1911. I say that as someone who owns and really likes 1911s. As between which of those poly framed striker guns there are a whole bunch of really good choices, choices that go well beyond Glock and the XD. The good news is that you really can't go wrong with most of them. The bad news is that means there are a lot more guns worth looking at. While some people will insist this make or that make or a particular model is per se better than they others, I think they are up in the night. Much of it comes down to tastes and preferences although there are some comparable constants between them.

Try to check out Glock, XD, M&P, Walther, etc and see what strikes you. Then learn to use that gun well. One you may want to give a hard look is a Steyr. It is very similar to a glock in a lot of ways. However, I cannot tell you how many avowed glock haters, have shot mine and come away really liking it. Some have even gone out and bought one. I describe it in various ways, but one description I sometimes use is, a glock for people who hate glocks. I don't allege it is per se better than glock or an M&P, etc. But I do like mine a lot and as of now choose to carry it instead of the glock it replaced, or any of my 1911s, or various other guns (which includes several other viable carry guns from most of the major manufactures).

You could probably go with any of the guns you are talking about and be happy. Its more a matter of learning to shoot and run the gun well.

Walkalong
February 7, 2013, 07:36 AM
I really like the XD/XDM guns, but I prefer 1911s. Only the individual can decide which platforms they like/prefer over others.

All fine guns.

MarshallDodge
February 7, 2013, 07:49 AM
Polymer pistols in 45 tend to be very thick. The new XDs is an exception.

Like others have said, a well built 1911 can be reliable. I usually recommend to someone that purchases one to shoot it hard with all the different ammo that they plan on using. If it doesn't run then send it to a competent 1911 gunsmith for a reliability package. Competent is the key word.

KenW.
February 7, 2013, 07:50 AM
I carried a full-size 1911 on-duty and off for more years than I can remember. Switched to the XD45c because I wanted a gun with a rail. Now I have the 1911 and three XD pistols (and a j-frame, BHP, GP-100, etc).

If you can't carry the XD45c concealed, it's your choice of holster-belt combination and manner of dress more than the gun. Especially with the flush magazine.

tarosean
February 7, 2013, 08:47 AM
If you can't carry the XD45c concealed, it's your choice of holster-belt combination and manner of dress more than the gun.

I'm gonna agree with this. While I don't own one its a small enough gun it shouldn't be a problem.

What's your body type OP? What position where you trying to carry it? IWB or OWB? Type of holster?

Aceoky
February 7, 2013, 08:56 AM
The 1911 is a time tested and proved design IMO, there are plenty of reliable "plastic " pistols to choose from, what feels best to you would be my advice. For ME that is a 1911 , it feels like it's a part of me, and the trigger is so much better even on a lower $ 1911 TO ME . I hate to say this as it's beaten to death, but it's the Ford Chevy thing, (IMO) what I prefer in a 1911 you and many others will prefer in a Glock or M&P etc.

gibson_es
February 7, 2013, 09:50 AM
As for the XD. I havr a great gunbelt. I tried a crossbread super tuck. Adjusted every way possible. And o had another holster that was all leather i picked up somewere. Neitjer worked well.. i were loose pants and shirts. Im a big guy. Amd i think my issue was not my weight per se, as big guys carry all the time. But i have oddly shaped oversized love handles and no matter what they pushed the gun handle outwards, printing. Tge 1911 it did as well but not enough to print.

Im working on the weight thing. It camr about after a broken leg and ankle 3 years ago and i sat around for 4the months were i couldnt walk. So im trying to get back to my $210 i was at before (im 6' 2") but until then......

If i go with a new colt. The xse maybe. It would be commander. If i take ot to a smith for throating/polishing and get good mags, so u guess feel it would be reliable with hollow points? And would it hold up agains mud and such and still fire reliably before cleaning?

I really would like to go with a 1911for many reasons. But the two things listed about are criteria that must be met. Gun price of the xse and mags and thraoting is much less then a wilson off the self. But if the quality just isnt there with the colt its ultimately a waist of money.

otasan56
February 7, 2013, 11:31 AM
I like my two M1911a1 pistols just fine. I use them in competition shooting matches. But for CCW I use my G17. 17 rounds of reassurance.

Skribs
February 7, 2013, 03:32 PM
Well, XDs and G36 would be up your alley if you want a single-stack .45, at least in terms of size. Probably better than most 1911s.

Personally, I think the 9 is fine. Overall there's not going to be much difference. But if you want .45, I ain't gonna argue, just state my opinion is all.

I can't speak for the durability of the 1911, but most "Glock vs. 1911" threads turn into questions of manual safety vs. passive safety. The manual safety provides some extra protection (if something goes into the trigger guard with safety on, it won't depress the trigger), but it also can provide a false sense of security ("it's on safe don't worr-" BANG). Personally I want a simple gun, so I'd go for the Glock or XDs if I were in your situation.

If you have a problem with a double-stack printing, try going up a shirt size, i.e. if you wear a large, go XL. Alternatively, if legal in your area, you can consider open carry.

Eb1
February 7, 2013, 03:48 PM
I love my 2007 XD9 4", but I cannot carry it without printing.

tarosean
February 7, 2013, 04:27 PM
But i have oddly shaped oversized love handles and no matter what they pushed the gun handle outwards, printing. Tge 1911 it did as well but not enough to print.

Are you trying at 3 o clock? You can use the "handles" to your advantage by going behind them @ 4-5 o clock...

gibson_es
February 7, 2013, 04:30 PM
Safeties are not mu concern. Part of why i started a new thread was necaiae your right, thats were they emd up. I wanted a view from a different angle. Unfortunately floroda does not habe open carry. Aa for shirt size i actually yried goong up two sizes. Tried some that were big and tall as well... no hope. Im considering getting the xse and a glock. Carrying the xse on a day to day. But when i plan to go on tje water or to the mid hole or in the woods, go with the glock...

Or maybe a revolver and not a glock. The only issue there is that the one i want is no longer made so i gotta search for it. Lol.

Im left handed. I was trying at 7-9. Any were in there. Gave a few other options a quick try like 10-11to and 6. But most effort was between 7-9... the lefties 3-5.

Eb1
February 7, 2013, 04:35 PM
If I am not pocket carrying my 731 UL 32 H&R 6 shooter. It is at 2-2:30 IWB. Makes for a quick grab, and doesn't bind when driving or sitting being a small J frame. Something to think about.

1858
February 7, 2013, 05:20 PM
Right now im thinking on a wilson combat. But that's a steep price. However, once a gun is owned. The price doesnt effect how well it will save your life.

I would suggest that you take a serious look at a Dan Wesson V-Bob if you want to carry a 1911 and not pay $3,500 for the privilege. I have a couple of Dan Wessons and they have proven to be extremely reliable regardless of the type of ammunition. I've shot a bunch of 185gr and 230gr Golden Saber JHP with no issues at all. If you decide to go the DW route, I would recommend that you contact Dave Severns and order from him since he'll make sure that everything is as it should be.

https://severnscustom.com/

Storz
February 7, 2013, 05:35 PM
If you like the grip angle of the 1911 get an XD. If you like the Glock grip get that. O carry a fullsoze G17 in a supertuck and it doesn't print.

Or perhaps one of the Kahr 45s
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Jed Carter
February 7, 2013, 06:58 PM
I carry a CCO sized 1911 made by SIG, it feeds everything. Just to be on the safe side I use Cor-bon PowRball ammunition, this will cycle even in my most finicky 1911. Sometimes it's the magazine, or the feed ramp, or the barrel throat, or just ammunition issues. If I had a favorite 1911 that would only feed Ball ammunition, I would be OK with that. 230gr ball ammunition is very effective, but may tend to over penetrate. Federal has expanding full metal jacket ammunition that also feeds well in all my 1911s.

GLOOB
February 8, 2013, 02:17 AM
Any thing out there showing what any of these can handle?
Not many people are willing to put their Colt and Wilson 1911's through truly abusive torture testing. Go figure. I think the average 1911 abuse video would be showing off an idiot scratch.

Personally, I'd be skeptical of any 1911 torture test, anyhow. Each 1911 is a gun of its own. Some are built tight, some loose. People favor different brands, different parts, and how many different brands and models of magazines, even?

The only 1911 I have extensive shooting time with jams all by itself, all the time. That doesn't mean anything to you. Same way a video showing a 1911 going thru hellnback and still working would mean squat to me.

Glocks are mass produced in the same factories, and the 4 different generations and other various pseudo-recall/upgrades are well documented in the popular press of the interwebs. The icing on the cake is many of the internal trigger and sear parts don't even need to be well-fitted to begin with. A video of one specific Glock being abused makes a bit more of a statement as to the expected performance of the Glock on your hip.

Kiln
February 8, 2013, 04:04 AM
I'm very biased in this issue because:

1. I used to own a Glock that I didn't like so I got rid of. I've only sold a couple of guns in my life and that was one of them.

2. I own two XDM 4.5" models in .40S&W and 9mm Luger and love both of them.

I find the XDM to shoot better than any of the others and the ergonomics are more comfortable. The 1911 just feels outdated as a defensive gun, it is more of a range pistol in my opinion. I like the higher capacities offered by more modern guns, even if I've got to sacrifice a little bit of power to achieve it.

CTGunner
February 8, 2013, 08:33 AM
I have 2 Wilson Combat 1911s. One is a full size and the other is a 4" Bill Wilson Carry. Both are expensive guns but like with many things in life you do get what you pay for - they are reliable and very very accurate. If I had to take one into a dangerous situation it would be the full-size gun but the 4" is serious business too. I also had good luck with Springfields. I have had very bad luck with Kimber and Les Baer. Take that as just one additional data point.

If your issue is with concealment I do not personally recommend a full-size 1911. I would go with something smaller, like a 4" with a bob tail. However, when you get into smaller 1911s consistent reliability DOES become an issue. The exception to this rule is with guns that are hand fitted like Wilson's.

My recommendation: Try a Springfield XDs in .45acp. It's a single stack gun. Very accurate and very reliable and less than $600. You can get extended mags for it too which is a nice feature.

Hammerdown77
February 8, 2013, 08:47 AM
If you want to stick with 45 and want something similar to a Commander, I'd highly recommend the Smith&Wesson M&P 45 compact. HIGHLY recommend.

A Glock 19 is about the same size though, and you carry 16 rounds of 9mm as opposed to 9 rounds of 45.

I have carried 1911s before, but I'm pretty much down to either a Glock 19 or a J frame 38 +p at this point.

Take your pick.

slamfirev10
February 8, 2013, 02:39 PM
You can use the "handles" to your advantage by going behind them @ 4-5 o clock...

lol, thanks

otasan56
February 9, 2013, 08:35 AM
Try the Glock 36, if you insist on the .45ACP. Or the Glock 30.

WinThePennant
February 9, 2013, 09:02 AM
The 1911 is a beautiful prom queen, and the Glock is a working man that gets the job done.

Internet message boards are filled with 1911 owners who say, man I love my 1911. It's beautiful. It feels great in my hand. But... (fill in the blank). I have to buy different magazines because the manufacturer's mags don't work. I have to get it smithed because it doesn't feed right. Blah...Blah...Blah. It never ends. If it wasn't for the 1911's history, no one would want one. It's a design that can work, but it takes a lot tuning.

If you want a smokin' hot steel .45 ACP, then buy a Sig P220.

If you want a .45 ACP that works for concealed carry, then get a Glock 30 (now in Gen 4).

Steve H
February 9, 2013, 09:17 AM
My main two ccw's are a Kimber Ultra CDP II with slim grips and a XDs. No if, and or but's about either of them. They are almost identical to each other in size. Kimber does hold more rounds. IMHO best of both worlds.

HKGuns
February 9, 2013, 09:25 AM
I'd suggest not limiting yourself to those three choices and instead go to a range and handle / fire some other options.

I don't trust 1911's that are less 5" but I carry a 5" 1911 just fine, although it is large. I won't own a gLoCk and have never shot or handled an XD.

If you're willing to spend the coin required to obtain an Wilson then almost anything is possible and limiting yourself to these three choices makes little sense. You mention safety, it appears more and more people have issue keeping their fingers off the booger switch.......gLoCk's aren't exactly idiot proof, although an idiot could ND anything, it just takes less practice with one of Gaston's abominations. Also consider the Gen4 gLoCk's have a less than honorable record for reliability. (Regardless of what their fanboys will tell you.)

I'd open my list up to reliable brands like HK - Walther - FN - Colt - S&W & others. I own examples from each and more and they are all better than gLoCk. I would also throw a packable revolver into the mix just to be sure that one of them isn't what you shoot and carry more comfortably. Also, try to figure out if you like DAO, SA, DA/SA or striker fired operation best.

TheReiver
February 9, 2013, 10:15 PM
I've only been carrying for a couple of years but I've found that holster selection and a good belt are the biggest factors. Until very recently I carried a Glock 17 daily with no problems at all under a polo shirt most of the time.

Unless you're in one of those places where printing (or carrying for that matter) is illegal them don't worry too much as most people are so oblivious they wouldn't notice an RPG strapped to your back.

TheReiver
February 9, 2013, 10:22 PM
I'd suggest not limiting yourself to those three choices and instead go to a range and handle / fire some other options.

I don't trust 1911's that are less 5" but I carry a 5" 1911 just fine, although it is large. I won't own a gLoCk and have never shot or handled an XD.

If you're willing to spend the coin required to obtain an Wilson then almost anything is possible and limiting yourself to these three choices makes little sense. You mention safety, it appears more and more people have issue keeping their fingers off the booger switch.......gLoCk's aren't exactly idiot proof, although an idiot could ND anything, it just takes less practice with one of Gaston's abominations. Also consider the Gen4 gLoCk's have a less than honorable record for reliability. (Regardless of what their fanboys will tell you.)

I'd open my list up to reliable brands like HK - Walther - FN - Colt - S&W & others. I own examples from each and more and they are all better than gLoCk. I would also throw a packable revolver into the mix just to be sure that one of them isn't what you shoot and carry more comfortably. Also, try to figure out if you like DAO, SA, DA/SA or striker fired operation best.
What's "better" is purely objective my friend. Personally I like Glocks but would feel no less confident with any of your mentions. New shooters should find a sidearm that fits their hands, has an MoA with which they're comfortable, and is chambered in a caliber that they can control well and afford to practice with.
Giving personal opinion is fine but please don't berate anyone else's educated choices.

pittspilot
February 10, 2013, 02:03 AM
VBOB is the house gun, and I carry a G19. I have a good belt and holster set up for the VBOB, but weight matters and the G19 is just lighter.

I find that I shoot them about equally well.

So I guess my answer is both.

meanmrmustard
February 10, 2013, 06:34 AM
Sorry but caliber isnt up for debate. I switched from 9mm to 45 acp a few years ago and dont care to go back. There great to have at home for the range. Maybe even shtf. But i personally prefer the 45for for edc. And home defense. (As far as handguns go)

Also, i stated that the commander is gone... so no trading in.
How's about a Glock 30?

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