MI SB 112 a mixed bag for concealed carry on school property...


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ezkl2230
February 7, 2013, 09:16 AM
On January 30, Sen. Green introduced SB 112 to address concealed carry on school property. It has been sent to the State Senate Judiciary Committee. This is what it says:

(i) AN INDIVIDUAL LICENSED UNDER THIS ACT TO CARRY A CONCEALED
PISTOL MAY CARRY A CONCEALED PISTOL IN A SCHOOL OR ON SCHOOL
PROPERTY IF THE CHIEF EXECUTIVE OFFICER OR SCHOOL BOARD OF THE
SCHOOL HAS AUTHORIZED THE CARRYING OF CONCEALED PISTOLS IN THAT
SCHOOL OR ON THAT SCHOOL PROPERTY BY INDIVIDUALS OR EMPLOYEES
LICENSED UNDER THIS ACT, AS DETERMINED BY THE CHIEF EXECUTIVE
OFFICER OR SCHOOL BOARD OF THE SCHOOL. A CHIEF EXECUTIVE OFFICER OR
SCHOOL BOARD SHALL NOT DISCHARGE, DEMOTE, SUSPEND, THREATEN,
HARASS, OR IN ANY OTHER MANNER DISCRIMINATE AGAINST A TEACHER,
ADMINISTRATOR, OR OTHER EMPLOYEE IN THE TERMS AND CONDITIONS OF
EMPLOYMENT BECAUSE THE EMPLOYEE CARRIES A CONCEALED PISTOL UNDER
THIS SUBPARAGRAPH.

This is what it does:


It gives Gov. Snyder some of what he wanted. Gov. Snyder wanted schools to have "...clear legal authority to ban firearms on their premises if they see fit to do so." That would have been ALL firearms carry - OC (which is currently legal on school property with a CPL) AND CC. SB 112 gives the school supt./emergency manager or school board the authority to ban concealed carry by both school employees and everybody else.
It appears to give the school supt./emergency manager the authority to override the school board if the board elects to allow CC but the "Chief Executive Officer" disagrees with that decision.
It appears to give the "chief executive officer" of the district the authority to unilaterally ban concealed carry without even taking it to the board in the first place.
For those school districts that choose to allow concealed carry, SB 112 gives teachers the right to CC without fearing for their job. This pre-empts a current state law that permits all employers, including public employers, the right to ban all carry on the job.

What is does NOT do:


In its final form (which Snyder promised to sign), SB 59 would have done away with OC in a pfz completely. Snyder demanded that in exchange for his promise to sign the bill (a promise which, of course, he broke - probably a good thing in the long run). SB 112 preserves the right to OC on school property with a CPL; it only addresses concealed carry.
SB 112 does NOT protect the right of a teacher to OC on school property with a CPL; the district can still, under current law, prohibit OC by an employee. A teacher electing to OC is still in danger of losing their job.
I am still fighting for the right to carry in a school zone. Period. Actually, I am still fighting for Constitutional Carry, but this is what we have to work with at the moment. Your thoughts on this bill? And remember - just voicing your opinion HERE doesn't accomplish much. We have to let the folks in LANSING know what we think as well.

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Ragnar Danneskjold
February 7, 2013, 09:23 AM
Seems like that will give up far more than anyone will gain. I would imagine 90%+ of school will act quickly to ban firearms. And to be honest, giving the small group of teachers possible CC without addressing CC by all adults in somewhat pointless, especially if the school board can just ban it anyways and ban the rest of us from carrying at all. None of this helps parents, coaches, volunteers, college students on campus, etc. But it could remove rights from all of those.


And I am saddened by how quickly Rick Snyder moved towards the left. I know, he's a politician and not to be trusted anyways, but after so long with Jenny, I was hoping he would be better. If there's not a libertarian running next time, I'm abstaining from voting.

ezkl2230
February 7, 2013, 09:56 AM
Seems like that will give up far more than anyone will gain. I would imagine 90%+ of school will act quickly to ban firearms. And to be honest, giving the small group of teachers possible CC without addressing CC by all adults in somewhat pointless, especially if the school board can just ban it anyways and ban the rest of us from carrying at all. None of this helps parents, coaches, volunteers, college students on campus, etc. But it could remove rights from all of those.


And I am saddened by how quickly Rick Snyder moved towards the left. I know, he's a politician and not to be trusted anyways, but after so long with Jenny, I was hoping he would be better. If there's not a libertarian running next time, I'm abstaining from voting.
I didn't vote for Snyder - I didn't trust him from the beginning, and not just because of his weak stance on the Second Amendment. His answer on his candidate profile regarding Second Amendment rights was geared specifically to hunting, and even THAT was weak. Snyder didn't move toward the left; that's where he has always been.

smalls
February 7, 2013, 12:42 PM
Just like the last bill, I can't support this one. They need to stop giving into Snyder, and just try and get their bill veto proof.

F-111 John
February 7, 2013, 07:18 PM
MAY CARRY A CONCEALED PISTOL IN A SCHOOL OR ON SCHOOL
PROPERTY IF THE CHIEF EXECUTIVE OFFICER OR SCHOOL BOARD OF THE
SCHOOL HAS AUTHORIZED THE CARRYING OF CONCEALED PISTOLS IN THAT
SCHOOL OR ON THAT SCHOOL PROPERTY BY INDIVIDUALS OR EMPLOYEES
LICENSED UNDER THIS ACT,

I daresay that not a single school district in Michigan would authorize concealed carry, so all this law would do is eliminate the open carry by CPL holders "loophole."

I'd rather have the law we were promised, which was for CPL holders who obtained additional training (NRA Personal Protection Outside of the Home course) to carry concealed in all "pistol free" zones. Period.

palmrose2
February 8, 2013, 07:12 AM
Just like the last bill, I can't support this one. They need to stop giving into Snyder, and just try and get their bill veto proof.

And there you have it. Many bills around the country end up taking more than they give. Many of those same bills are endorsed by the NRA. That is one of the reasons the NRA doesn't get my money.

ezkl2230
February 8, 2013, 03:42 PM
I received the following response from Sen. Green's office today:

SB 60 does not confer on the CEO of a school the authority to override a school board or to enact policies regarding licensed carry of a firearm more strict than state law, plain and simple. Concealed carry would be banned under state law. The provision explicitly allows a board or CEO to opt-in, not opt-out as the governor proposed.

If a superintendent defies the wishes of a school board…well, as a former member of a board, I can tell that is up to the board to deal with. But this bill doesn’t provide either of them with authority to undermine preemption. It is just one step.

Ryan

So the bill doesn't actually say what it clearly states.

smalls
February 8, 2013, 05:48 PM
And there you have it. Many bills around the country end up taking more than they give. Many of those same bills are endorsed by the NRA. That is one of the reasons the NRA doesn't get my money.

I also could have sworn that I saw a statement made by MCRGO that when they reintroduced this bill they wereNOT going to give in to any of Snyder's requests. Could be wrong, but I think I saw a FB post about it.

Airbrush Artist
February 8, 2013, 07:14 PM
The Buckeye Fire Arms Association here in Ohio will pay for 24 Teachers and other selected school employees to go through the first 3 day Tactical Training in the event of a shooter Scenario in School .there have been to date 1,400+ sign Up ,I being one of them, Hopefully i will get the call, I made the point in a letter that school Bus Drivers such as myself Have a need as well ,We are a target daily as much as teacher if not more so being in the public, the only pre-requisite is a CC&W Permit of which I have... 1,400 is a staggering Interest I'd say.to all the school boards in Ohio

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