Advise on 9mm cast


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MGRAY
February 7, 2013, 09:29 PM
I have been loading Berrys plated 115 for my 9mm with very good results. Now with the shortage of the plated bullets, I have thought about trying some lead cast bullets. I live about 30 minutes from S & S Casting and can pick up bullets there. They have .356 in 115, 125, 147, and 160. Anybody have a good recipe to share? Thanks....Marty

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bds
February 7, 2013, 09:35 PM
Try 125 gr lead CN/RN/SWC with 3.8-4.0 gr of W231/HP-38 or Promo/Red Dot.

Big Nugget
February 7, 2013, 11:57 PM
I've been shooting S&S 147 sized to .357 in my CZ phantom over 4.4 gr of HS-6 with a OAL of 1.144. Averages 910 FPS over my chronograph.

Can't say enough good things about S&S. They seem to be really good guys and Jim is great to do buisness with!

ArchAngelCD
February 8, 2013, 12:17 AM
I have been loading Berrys plated 115 for my 9mm with very good results. Now with the shortage of the plated bullets, I have thought about trying some lead cast bullets. I live about 30 minutes from S & S Casting and can pick up bullets there. They have .356 in 115, 125, 147, and 160. Anybody have a good recipe to share? Thanks....Marty
One of my favorite 9mm range loads is a 124gr LRN bullet over 4.0gr W231. Not too heavy a load but heavy enough to cycle the slide. Max charge on the Hodgdon site id 4.4gr so it's not near the top end of the pressure range. I'm sure you will like that load...

DeadFlies
February 8, 2013, 11:08 AM
I shoot a 115 LRN over 4.5 grains of Unique. Soft, easy, and cheap. It's waaaaay under the minimum recommended starting charge (Lee says 5.1 grains, I think) but it still cycles the massive slide of my C9 every time.

Actually, I don't even weigh the charges any longer. One .5cc scoop (averages about 4.3 grains for me) of Unique does it. No scales, no powder measures, no leading, no worries. YMMV.

TonyT
February 8, 2013, 12:51 PM
When I shot lead bullets in 9mm it was the 147 gr. with 3.3 to 3.5 gr. W-231. 3.5 gr. was the max load per W-W 14th edition manual. That load provides ca 900 fps and avoids the leading which results from shooting the lighter weight lead bullets at over 1000 fps.

mdi
February 8, 2013, 01:11 PM
Slug the barrel of your gun to see if .356" is big enough. Many 9mm barrels aren't .355". I shoot my cast Lee 125 gr. RNFP, sized to .357", over 4.0 gr. W231 in my FMK.

bluetopper
February 8, 2013, 08:06 PM
Don't forget plentiful and inexpensive Green Dot powder. It is superb for 9mm cast bullets.

Loc n Load
February 8, 2013, 08:53 PM
Been shooting cast RN and the Lyman conical in the 9mm since the 70's....have shot thousands of these loads....usually over 3.5 gr's@ Bullseye.....has worked flawlessly in Smith's, Browning's, Berrettas, Sigs and Glocks ( with after market) barrels.

J_McLeod
February 8, 2013, 09:12 PM
My favorite cast load is a 147gr over 4.8 gr of HS-6. Low recoil and accurate.

LUCKYDAWG13
February 8, 2013, 09:34 PM
125gr boolit and 3.8gr of Bullseye works well in my 92fs

chris in va
February 8, 2013, 10:32 PM
I can't believe nobody asked the obvious...

What gun are you using? Some can't shoot lead safely.

Sauer Grapes
February 8, 2013, 10:34 PM
3.2 gr. of universal with 147 bullit. 3.8 gr of universal with 125s'
I wish someone had a recipe for American Select in 9mm.

ArchAngelCD
February 8, 2013, 10:51 PM
I can't believe nobody asked the obvious...

What gun are you using? Some can't shoot lead safely.
Since the OP asked about loads for a lead bullet that's what information I provided.

AABEN
February 8, 2013, 11:08 PM
I can't believe nobody asked the obvious...

What gun are you using? Some can't shoot lead safely.
I have been shooting lead in all of my guns for years and no trouble!! I pour my bullets for all my hand guns and some long guns.

jjjitters
February 8, 2013, 11:29 PM
It would be best to push a slug(lead fishing sinker) down your barrel and mic(not calipers) it to see what it actually measures. Quite a few 9mm barrels are over the standard .356. Get you cast bullets .001-.002 over what you measure for less likely of leading and a bit better accuracy. I cast and then size most of mine to .358", only one barrel takes .357".
140-147gr bullets are my most accurate over AA#5,WSF or SR7625.

MGRAY
February 9, 2013, 12:02 AM
Thanks for all the imput. I apreciate you guys sharing your experience and expertise. I stopped at S&S today and picked up some samples in various weights. Looking forward to road testing what I have. BTW, my range gun is a Desert Eagle with a 4.5" barrel. I do plan to slug the barrel as advised above. Marty

greyling22
February 9, 2013, 12:10 PM
baby eagle perhaps? if so, don't they have poly rifling like a glock and lead is supposedly a no-no? That said, my cousin shoots lead through his baby eagle in 40 without kaboom issues. No idea what his accuracy is since he shoots at big steel plates.

Some people have great success with lead 9mm. several have posted here. You also don't have to look hard to see people who couldn't ever get it to work right. I have struggled with 9 more than all my other calibers combined and then doubled. I Still haven't found a load that will shoot under 3 or 4" at 10 yds. I can get factory win wht box under an inch all day long at 10. At least I resolved the keyholing issues......


good luck.

bluetopper
February 9, 2013, 12:33 PM
Sauer Grapes, if you can't find American Select data for 9mm use Green Dot data. There data is almost identical, if not identical, within the margin of error. They both are excellent powders for 9mm cast bullets and from my years of experimentation with them, the most accurate at 25yds. with my two 9mm 1911's.

grisy11
February 9, 2013, 01:15 PM
I use 4.3 greendot and i love it in my Ruger sr9c

bds
February 9, 2013, 02:13 PM
I wish someone had a recipe for American Select in 9mm.
Sauer Grapes, if you can't find American Select data for 9mm use Green Dot data. There data is almost identical
There's no current 9mm load data from Alliant for Green Dot but there's load data for American Select (http://www.alliantpowder.com/reloaders/powderlist.aspx?page=/reloaders/powderlist.aspx&type=1&powderid=2&cartridge=23)
9mm Luger 115 gr Speer GDHP American Select OAL 1.125" Max 5.4 gr 1,102 fps
9mm Luger 124 gr Speer GDHP American Select OAL 1.12" Max 5.0 gr 1,053 fps

2004 Alliant load data (glarp.atk.com/2004/2004Catalogs/2004AlliantPowderSM.pdf) for American Select and Green Dot

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