Is the price for 223/556 going to go down?


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joeyabc123
February 8, 2013, 12:29 AM
I understand that they may have a high capacity and combat rifle ban in the works and I understand having a shortage of 20+ round magazines but y the shortage in ammo they can't ban ammo right?

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BP44
February 8, 2013, 12:35 AM
They can ban, regulate, and ration ammunition as they see fit........


What is an AR without ammo....... Currently a $1500 paper weight.
Ammunition is the key and it has already been suggested to heavily tax, limit people "stocking up", and just plain make it so expensive it's hard to get.
:)

mopar92
February 8, 2013, 12:36 AM
Because every guy who owns an AR is paranoid about an ammo shortage and we( me too) bought all we could...

mljdeckard
February 8, 2013, 12:39 AM
*chortles*

joeyabc123
February 8, 2013, 12:44 AM
I was able to order 7.62x39 I got 1,000 round but been unable to get at least 500 223/556 and I am not paying $1 a round for it

GLOOB
February 8, 2013, 04:02 AM
Yes.

stubbicatt
February 8, 2013, 04:09 AM
Eventually prices and stock will return to normal.

nathan
February 8, 2013, 08:13 AM
That is the irony today, an AR rifle cost too much and ammo are outrageously high. Might as well get a shotgun or bolt action rifle topped with a quality scope. Both cost $1 per round or shell .

beatledog7
February 8, 2013, 09:06 AM
Yes, ammo prices will fall, then rise, then fall again, ad infinitum, right up until ammo is banned. Then only the bad guys will have ammo.

Gold will reach $2400/oz by mid summer. Buy Now!

The Cowboys will be Superbowl champions in 2014.

Miss Arizona will be crowned Miss USA and will go on to be Miss Universe in 2016.

A colt named "Hi-Cap Ban" will win the Triple Crown in 2017. No, he's not been born yet, but if I could tell you how ammo pricing will go, I might just as well make these other predictions while I'm at it.

UnderTheGun
February 8, 2013, 09:25 AM
To say definitively yes is not possible but if history repeats itself my expectation is that it will return to the previous prices or at least close.

carbine85
February 8, 2013, 11:39 AM
I have seen this panic buying before and I don't play in these markets. Things will return close to normal in a few months. The panic buyers will have an effect on the normal prices but most will have overpaid and loose their a$$.
Example- Wideners just emailed me with a fresh stock of 5.45x39, same price as before so I bought another 1200 rounds.

cougar1717
February 8, 2013, 12:40 PM
Absolutely. I looked at ammoseek today: 30-06 is cheaper than 223 Rem. Just think about that - the 30-06 has twice the amount of brass, twice the powder, three times the bullet weight - for about the same price. It's a false economy, a blip where increased demand has far outgrown supply. In a few short months, the price will drop when supply increases. People will fill their gullet full and without meaningful government regulation (to think our government will try to ban a caliber is silly) the price will return to reasonable levels.

HOOfan_1
February 8, 2013, 01:26 PM
They can ban, regulate, and ration ammunition as they see fit........



They can do whatever we allow them to do

bdgackle
February 8, 2013, 05:00 PM
I would think a hi-cap ban would result in falling prices for .223.

10 round mag dumps burn less ammo than 30 round dumps. On average, range use of ammo should drop slightly with smaller mags. Supply and demand, right?

Sock Puppet
February 8, 2013, 05:08 PM
I would think a hi-cap ban would result in falling prices for .223.

10 round mag dumps burn less ammo than 30 round dumps. On average, range use of ammo should drop slightly with smaller mags. Supply and demand, right?

Nice thought, but no. I believe folks have seen the "true colors" of our government representatives and will continue to stock up until they are comfortable. Many of us take for granted having a decent supply of ammo because we know how quickly one can go through it at an event or over a weekend. Many AR buyers are new shooters who are buying because they feel they need to buy now, and they are realizing they need the ammo to go with their new hobby. I don't forsee prices near where they were a few months ago for at least a year.

commygun
February 8, 2013, 05:26 PM
The price? We can't even find it here, never mind pay for it.

nathan
February 8, 2013, 05:55 PM
5.45 Russian still beats all of them . Im glad i got one tin before the Sandy Massacre showed its ugly head. I dont why after i sold my Cz 82 i had the urged to order a tin .

B!ngo
February 8, 2013, 11:01 PM
Please, for the sake of all of us, refer to proposed legislation as a ban on standard-capacity magazines (i.e. 30 rounds). High-capacity magazines are 40-100. Low- or limited-capacity magazines are 10 rounds are so.
It's a lot tougher to make a case against the ban of high-capacity magazines than to prevent the ban of standard-capacity magazines.
Yes, it's just words, but this has all turned in to a war of words.
B

I would think a hi-cap ban would result in falling prices for .223.

10 round mag dumps burn less ammo than 30 round dumps. On average, range use of ammo should drop slightly with smaller mags. Supply and demand, right?

tc54
February 9, 2013, 06:45 AM
this too will pass, as the house will not pass any assault weapons bans. too many dems and repubs up for re-election in 2016.

just remain patient. stocks will return to pre-sandy levels in less than a year.

mopar92
March 23, 2013, 01:01 AM
They are already coming down and ar parts availability is up.

jmr40
March 23, 2013, 07:39 AM
When I got my drivers license gas was $.45 per gallon. Within a few months it went over $1.00/gal. People kept saying it would come back down as soon as the panic was over. It came down a little, but the trend over the last 40 years has been upwards dramatically. I predict the same with ammo.

AlbertH
March 23, 2013, 08:02 AM
When I got my drivers license gas was $.45 per gallon. Within a few months it went over $1.00/gal. People kept saying it would come back down as soon as the panic was over. It came down a little, but the trend over the last 40 years has been upwards dramatically. I predict the same with ammo.
Supply, demand, fear, rumors, and corporate greed. The fear buying, new gun ownership and hoarding has put a strain on the ammo supply thus causing increased pricing. The ammo manufacturers have taken their plants to "full utilization" in an attempt to keep up with the demand. When that demand finally subsides they will start cutting their manufacturing output to their normal utilization because overtime pay cuts into profits unless the companies raise prices to compensate for the increased production costs.

Everyone needs to think like a businessman in order to understand the way business works and ask themself, what would I do, would I eat those added costs and reduce my profit margin, or would I pass those increased production costs along to the customer.

I am producing all I can and still can't seem to keep up with demand so I must be selling the stuff too cheaply would be most every business owners answer. Now that the demand is slowing down, I can either cut my profit margin or I can cut back on the overtime, cut back from running 24 hours a day to just one shift if necessary and actually increase my profit margin by maintaining the same pricing I am currently using. Hey, I am in business to make money and as long as people will pay my asking price, I can't be over charging.

Welcome to ECON 101 and the way FREE MARKET ENTERPRISE works in the USA.

Al

hentown
March 23, 2013, 08:51 AM
I hope the prices stay up for a while...at least until I get my class 6 license and am able to sell a few thousand rounds at a substantial profit. :D

jmr40
March 23, 2013, 09:51 AM
Welcome to ECON 101 and the way FREE MARKET ENTERPRISE works in the USA.



I have boxes of 223 ammo with $3 price tags on it. People are now paying $20 for the same box of ammo. Once the public is conditioned to paying those prices they will feel they are getting a bargain when it drops down to $15.

Ammo makers will not significantly lower their prices even after the craziness subsides. They have already established that people will pay the higher prices. They will just continue at prices close to this and make more profits.

Same is true with gas prices. There is no reason for gas to be selling for more than about $2.25/gal. But the oil companies have estabilished that people will still pay close to $4/gal and feel they are getting a bargain at $3/gal.

Welcome to PSYCHOLOGY 101

Torian
March 23, 2013, 10:15 AM
Prices are coming down slightly on ammo, and significantly on AR-15 / M4 type builds.

You can currently get lake city M855 for 70 - 75 cents a round on gunbroker (buying in bulk / 500 rounds or more), and most AR-15 / M4 type builds for between 1200 - 1600 depending on what you are looking for.

There are still those who are seriously trying to gouge (over 1 dollar per round), but their auctions are getting ignored for the most part. The market is starting to stabilize again...but it's happening at a slow pace.

ApacheCoTodd
March 23, 2013, 10:25 AM
Yup - plus, as in the past, fellas who've over extended themselves with current prices will be walkin' around the shows selling at a discount.

of course

We have an eternity left yet of an excessively aggressive government used to getting its own way and being childishly punitive when it doesn't... so there's that.

joeschmoe
March 23, 2013, 03:09 PM
they can't ban ammo right?

Correct.
They can ban, regulate, and ration ammunition as they see fit..
They can do whatever we allow them to do


Both incorrect. The 2nd protects our right to arms. That includes ammo. "Well-regulated" means to keep in good working order. That protects our right to ammo as well.
The federal government has specifically enumerated powers. It is not an all powerful king that can just outlaw/allow what ever they feel like. This is a Constitutional Republic. A representative democracy of limited powers by the people based on a founding document. We did not grant them those powers. They cannot take them.

The same document that gives them their powers, also limits them. They don't get one without the other.

hentown
March 24, 2013, 12:29 PM
The government absolutely can trample our Constitutional Rights, until a credible force compels them to stop. Unfortunately, the Justices paid to actually interpret the Constitution frequently don't interpret it the same way we do. ;)

Justice Roberts and those dimwits with whom he voted on Obamacare have opened the door to Congress's unlimited right to tax. What's to stop them from taxing ammo @ $5 per round? They're currently about to make felons out of millions of us honest, law-abiding Americans with the so-called universal background check.

joeschmoe
March 24, 2013, 02:21 PM
The government absolutely can trample our Constitutional Rights, until a credible force compels them to stop. Unfortunately, the Justices paid to actually interpret the Constitution frequently don't interpret it the same way we do. ;)

Justice Roberts and those dimwits with whom he voted on Obamacare have opened the door to Congress's unlimited right to tax. What's to stop them from taxing ammo @ $5 per round? They're currently about to make felons out of millions of us honest, law-abiding Americans with the so-called universal background check.

No. Please read the Constitution. Congress does have very broad power to tax, but they cannot tax fundamental rights like arms, speech or voting. They cannot place a special tax on ammo.

Torian
March 24, 2013, 02:42 PM
You're getting taxed for the privileged or using your cell phone or internet connections for exercising free speech, are you not?

In the courts, nothing is for certain...for example:

According to Supreme Court Chief Justice Roberts, he completely rejected the Obama administration’s argument that the individual mandate was constitutional under Congress’ power “to regulate commerce...among the several states.”

Guess what, it got approved anyways. What is considered "Constitutional" these days is far more subjective than any of us would like it to be.

Taxing ammunition would not necessarily be a barrier to obtaining ammo, no more than your requirement to pay a 100 fee to obtain your CCW permit. It can and will happen.

lmccrock
March 24, 2013, 03:46 PM
No. Please read the Constitution. Congress does have very broad power to tax, but they cannot tax fundamental rights like arms, speech or voting. They cannot place a special tax on ammo.
Um...there is already an 11% Federal Excise Tax on ammunition in the USA. Are you talking about something else? Also, 11% on long guns, 10% on handguns.

According to Supreme Court Chief Justice Roberts, he completely rejected the Obama administration’s argument that the individual mandate was constitutional under Congress’ power “to regulate commerce...among the several states.”
He said the mandate's penalty was constitutional because it was a tax, which Congress may levy, hence the law was not overturned.

bushmaster1313
March 24, 2013, 10:35 PM
Yes

To about $350 plus $25 shipping for 500 rounds

http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.aspx?Item=333639797

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