New to loading .45 ACP


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ATLDave
February 8, 2013, 09:39 AM
I've loaded a fair amount of 9mm, .38spl, .357, and 10mm (along with .223 and .308 rifle cartridges), and I'm just about to start loading .45 ACP. Other than following the published data (of course), any particular quirks of this cartridge to be aware of? Seems very straightforward and fairly forgiving from what I've read (other than huge case capacity making double charges easy with many powders).

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Blue68f100
February 8, 2013, 09:55 AM
Just be aware that there are 2 primer sizes now. This requires sorting in most all cases of range brass.

bds
February 8, 2013, 09:59 AM
At first I didn't like the small primer pocket 45ACP cases but when my lot of Tula SP primers experienced FTF, I found they worked OK in 45ACP brass. So instead of trading them off, now I keep all the small primer pocket cases and use with Tula SP primers.

When life gives you lemons, you make lemonade. :D

http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?p=7840156#post7840156

edfardos
February 8, 2013, 10:21 AM
its just like your 9mm. Getting the crimp right is the hardest part. .469-.471.

edfardos

hueyville
February 8, 2013, 12:47 PM
Not only do you have the mixed primer size issue, if you acquire some of the brass with large primer pocket and super large flash hole that is used with the "non toxic" ammo it can be reloaded but will act a bit squirrely if mixed in with a batch that has standard primer holes. I only see a few odd examples of it in brass from a local indoor range. I segregate it out into the bucket of trade brass. I also put all the 45 brass with small primer pockets that I get into the trade bucket. Have enough 45 large pistol primer brass to last two lifetimes even at my high volume. It is easier for me to use just one type and trade the rest with someone who doesn't mind using it.

TonyT
February 8, 2013, 12:57 PM
Nothing magical about loading 45 ACP. My favorite 50 ft-25 yard bullseye pistol load was 3.8 gr. HS-700X, Rem LP behind a 185 gr. LSWC seated 0.937" base to shoulder at ca 720 fps - very mild and accurate load. If you pick up range brass segregate the small primer from large primer variety. Lots of data on the powdder manufactuers webstes for many bullet weights.

Shmackey
February 8, 2013, 01:10 PM
It's one of the easier, more forgiving cartridges. Wide mouth, low pressure, extensive info.

I like WST for light stuff and PP for hot.

JSmith
February 8, 2013, 03:02 PM
Good topic - I'm about to start loading .45ACP also. I plan to use Berry's 230 gr. plated RN bullets with ~4.75 - 5.0gr. of W231. Will that work OK?

Bio-Chem
February 8, 2013, 03:23 PM
Don't remember off the top of my head, but i think I use 5.2grains with the W231. 4.7 seems a bit low. Anyone else have a double check on that for what they use?

bds
February 8, 2013, 03:53 PM
You can use higher charges of W231/HP-38 but 4.8 - 5.0 will work. I have used lead load data with Berry's regular plated bullets with good results (jacketed for TP bullets).

Legion489
February 8, 2013, 04:26 PM
Personally I like 5.4 gr of 231/Lead or plated 200 gr SWC for IPSC shooting. ALWAYS check ANY load you see on the net against a manual! Also, HODGDON P-38 and Win 231 are the EXACT SAME POWDER! Again, check with Win/Hodgdon before taking anyone's word for this stuff! There are a LOT of liars and fools on the net who want you to get hurt or fail to make up for their being fools and scum, so don't trust anyone, check it out for yourself. Possibly no one here would steer you wrong, but if you doubt it happens, I'll be happy to point out a few sites and posters on them who gladly screw over beginners for "the fun of it".

JSmith
February 8, 2013, 04:37 PM
I use Hodgdon's site for W231 data (that's the only powder I currently use.)

For W231 with 230-gr. bullets, data.hodgdon.com shows 4.2 - 5.3 gr for FMJ, 4.3 - 5.3 for LRN. 4.7 - 5.0 is midrange, so I thought I'd start there and add a couple of tenths if need be.

Furncliff
February 8, 2013, 05:52 PM
When I started loading .45acp I was having crimp problems. A separate crimp die was the fix for me.

rdhood
February 8, 2013, 07:04 PM
I've been loading 5.2 gr W231 with MBC 230g lead softballs. I use Lee dies, including the factory crimp die.

BYJO4
February 8, 2013, 08:36 PM
Loading 45 ACP is one of the easier calibers and should have no problems. Just be sure to keep your brass sorted if you have both SP and LP cases.

jibjab
February 8, 2013, 11:29 PM
when my lot of Tula SP primers experienced FTF,
It would seem the Tula SP primer are quite hard, makes me wonder if their SPP and SRP are one in same :confused:

JSmith
February 9, 2013, 10:11 AM
Legion489 said: Possibly no one here would steer you wrong, but if you doubt it happens, I'll be happy to point out a few sites and posters on them who gladly screw over beginners for "the fun of it".

One major thing I like about this site is that everyone checks everyone else - "liars and fools" get called out pretty quickly. I depend on THR for good advice and honest opinion.

I don't doubt that happens elsewhere. What sites do you avoid?

bds
February 9, 2013, 09:04 PM
when my lot of Tula SP primers experienced FTF
It would seem the Tula SP primer are quite hard, makes me wonder if their SPP and SRP are one in same
That's what I suspected initially (Tula repackaging known lot of Wolf SP primers that had harder cups and selling them under Tula brand). But when I test fired some Tula SR primers in the same Glock 17 I used for the Tula SP primer thread (http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?p=7806985#post7806985), the primer cups were different color and whey all fired. (use of SR primers in 9mm Major match loads (http://www.brianenos.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=137715))

Tula SP primer that failed to fire
http://www.thehighroad.org/attachment.php?attachmentid=154938&stc=1&d=1324182038

CCI/Tula SR/.223 primers all fired in the same test pistol
http://www.thehighroad.org/attachment.php?attachmentid=154977&stc=1&d=1324243701

chris in va
February 9, 2013, 10:28 PM
45 has been the least problematic cartridge I've loaded. The only thing I do is use a FCD to put a mild taper crimp on the finished round, and seldom does it ever iron out any imperfections...unlike my 9mm. Very easy.

ArchAngelCD
February 9, 2013, 11:09 PM
I load for the 45 Auto and I charge 5.5gr W231 under any 230gr bullet and it's my favorite 45 load. It's a fairly low pressure round and like said above, it's easy to load for...

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