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yotesmoker
February 8, 2013, 06:42 PM
Been a reloader for many many years and now want to reload for a rifle.If I just neck size how is the primer removed.Do I use a different die for each procedure?

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243winxb
February 8, 2013, 06:59 PM
Standard neck dies have an expander with a decapper. Soon or later you will need a full length die. Need A FL die, Neck die, seating die. Or just use a 2 die set, FL and seat.

MEHavey
February 8, 2013, 07:52 PM
"....now want to reload for a rifle....I recommend starting with the standard two-die set of rifle dies.
The re-sizer die decaps, resizes (everything) and then opens the
neck to proper ID, all in one operation.

I suggest not messing w/ neck-sizing until a bit further down the
road -- and even then you will still need a full-length resizer after
4-5 firings,

4season
February 8, 2013, 07:56 PM
You can get by with a neck sizer, and bullet seater for a while if you are loading for a bolt action and have plenty of brass. Of course you want to make sure you trim to length, and check your cases for any cracks or weak spots. But if you want to get the most life out of your brass you will want to full length size your brass ever so often. You didn't mention what cartridge you were loading for. Some belted magnum cases don't hold up to well with hot loads vs. target loads in .308 cases. My 260 loads have never been close to max and I have loaded the same cases 20+ times. After 5 or so neck sizes though they start to get hard to chamber. I full length them once and the accuracy falls off then I can neck them again. But if you are shooting max power belted magnums, you may only get 5 neck sizes before you get a belt bulge and have to toss the brass anyway.

BYJO4
February 8, 2013, 08:28 PM
I neck size only when reloading brass fired from the rifle that I will again use it in. I keep both FL and Neck sizing dies for all my rifles.

yotesmoker
February 8, 2013, 09:04 PM
I only intend to reload 7.62x39 for my cz527.I was told by some that since I would be shooting them in only one rifle that I only need to neck size.

cag215
February 8, 2013, 10:10 PM
Lee makes a universal depriming die....

ArchAngelCD
February 8, 2013, 11:56 PM
I only intend to reload 7.62x39 for my cz527.I was told by some that since I would be shooting them in only one rifle that I only need to neck size.
Even though you can neck size for the same bolt action rifle, like said above you will eventually need to use full length resizing die to bump the shoulder back into SAAMI specs.

James2
February 9, 2013, 02:20 AM
You may be able to get by with neck sizing only, but it depends a lot on the individual rifle. If you just neck size, you should try them in the gun before loading to make sure they are going to chamber and the bolt will close OK. As noted, there will be times that you have to bump the shoulder.

You can just neck size with the full length die that comes in a standard two die let. To full length size you screw the die into the machine until it hits the shell holder with the ram in full up position, then about half a turn more. ( for the spring in the press) This insures that the die will hit the shell holder and full length size the casings.

If you want to just size the neck leave a little gap of around 0.015 - 0.020 between the shell holder and die with the ram in full up position. Now your necks will be sized, but the rest of the casing won't be and the shoulder won't be bumped. Try them in the gun before loading. Its really the pits to have them all done then discover they won't chamber. If the bolt is hard to close, you can screw the die in a little at a time and size again then try it. Keep doing this until you reach a point where the bolt will close on it ok. If you still have a little space between the shell holder and the die, this is the place where you have bumped the shoulder just a little and this is the minimum amount of sizing that will allow the brass to work smoothly in the rifle. You can lock the ring now and it should always work for this rifle at that length.

When sizing rifle brass with the standard full length die, the neck begins to be sized first. The tapered part of the casing and the shoulder won't be sized at all until very near the end of the stroke, because of the taper. That is why you can neck size with the standard die if you leave a little gap as explained.

(You can buy a neck only sizer if you wish.)

One good argument for neck sizing only is that it may let the brass last a bit longer. If you have more than one rifle for any caliber just full length size them all then they will work in any of your rifles.

I hunt quite a bit, and the last thing I want is a round that is hard to close the bolt on or a flat refusal, so I always full length size my brass and still get lots of use out of them.

Try some things and see how it works for you. That is the beauty of the hobby. Just remember to be careful and always try a few before you load up a couple hundred. I hate pulling bullets.

James2
February 9, 2013, 02:30 AM
May I suggest that for starters you buy a standard two die set of rifle dies. The sizer also has the decapper/inside sizer, and sizing and decapping are accomplished at the same stroke. After you get some experience loading rifle ammo, then is the time to consider getting a neck size die. It will also have decapper/inside sizer.

Click (http://www.hornady.com/store/Neck-Size-Dies/)

stubbicatt
February 9, 2013, 09:14 PM
Generally neck sizing with a FL die can the shoulder to move forward and make chambering an issue, but with the 7.62x39 and its taper, this might not happen. Like they say, try it and see.

Hummer70
February 9, 2013, 11:59 PM
I quit using expander button in sizing years ago. Now I use the excellent Lee universal decapper and FL size the case.

Next I tumble clean in stainless steel media and then reinsert the expander button and expand the neck PUSHING DOWN rather than pulling out and you don't stretch your necks as much.

kingmt
February 10, 2013, 10:38 AM
There is 2 rifles with the same chamber in my house. My son shoots one head stamp I shoot another. His ammo will work in mine but mine won't work without a little extra force in his. He could still chamber it just with a tight bolt.

I FL all new to me brass but I have around 30 loads on our brass now with NS only. I have only lost a few pieces to neck splits.

mdi
February 10, 2013, 11:56 AM
Yes, but eventually you will have to return the shoulder to original specs. to enable good chambering. Brass stretches with every shot and eventually you'll need to "set back" the shoulder. When I tried neck sizing, I just backed off my sizing/decapping die so it just sized the neck to within a few thousandths of the neck/shoulder junction.

witchhunter
February 10, 2013, 12:41 PM
I agree that you ahould buy a FL die set and a neck sizer. Be careful when adjusting neck sizer dies. You just want to size about 3/4 of the neck, do not set the die too deep or you can cause other problems in the neck/shoulder area. The FL die can be set to just size the neck and shoulder, but you must use lube, with a neck die, you do not need lube. That can be the best part about it.

kingmt
February 11, 2013, 12:41 PM
A FL die won't NS only.

GLOOB
February 11, 2013, 09:00 PM
I'm also confused... at how such a simple question gets a whole page of answers to questions that weren't asked.

kingmt
February 12, 2013, 02:56 PM
I agree. I tired to stay out of it since the question was already answered the first time I read it. I have a hard time biting my toung when I see disinformation tho.

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