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JRH6856
February 8, 2013, 08:57 PM
Looking in my crystal ball, this is what I see.

We're going to get UBCs. These will come with an expanded and detailed NICS database. The expansion will focus on newly required mental health information

This mental health information will come from mental health evaluations to be mandated under an amendment to Obamacare.

This mandate will come because the CDC will identify irrational fear and paranoia as a causitive factor in gun violence. The diagnostic indicators for this irrational fear will be a need to own firearms for self defense, a preference for military style weapons and high capacity magazines. owning several of these weapons, stockpiling ammunition,

Any physician or mental health professinal who observes these indicators (minimum number to be dertermined by CDC) must report them for inclusion the NICS database. Such an entry in the database will result in non approval.

And because there are already a lot of irrational paranoids out there with firearms, we will have to have a national registry to find them and get them out of dangerous hands.

And that is where we are heading in 5-10 years.

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dab102999
February 8, 2013, 09:12 PM
Crystal balls are just as reliable as plactic 8 balls. Keep writing letters, make phone calls, and don't give up. Shut this down now...once it is shut down push legislators to national carry. They want to start to refer to these proposals as gun safety and not as gun control so push the powers to make it just that. Educate your friends and the public on gun safety.

ETXhiker
February 8, 2013, 09:18 PM
Just be glad we live in Texas, Micro. Because that crap isn't gonna play here. But, yeah, that is a plausible way the statists will approach it. The next year or so will tell the story. Let's all stand up in every way we can.

Sam1911
February 8, 2013, 09:31 PM
I like Justin's comments to a similar thread a month or two ago:

Can we pretty, pretty please with sugar and strawberries on top stop with all the damnable loser talk around here?

For crying out loud, the forces of anti-gun bigotry haven't even brought a bill to the floor for discussion yet, and some of you are busy rolling over and peeing on yourselves in an act of submission.


There's lots of work left to do and the future is not yet in the bag. Claiming that you KNOW some miserable piece of filth will be passed smacks of knock-kneed quailing in the face of a fight that -- by all current measures we're CRUSHING.

You want to boo-hoo about how bad it will all be for us once we finally fail? Save it for crying in your pillow at night. Here, we man up and FIGHT!

JRH6856
February 8, 2013, 09:45 PM
Don't claim that I KNOW it, just that I can see it coming. We (and the NRA) opened the door early by calling attention to mental health. I'm less worried about UBCs requiring a registry to be effective than I am about what mental health info will be there and the criteria used for the determination. And I never turse the CDC when guns become a health issue.

We need to stop it now, but I hear too many people we depend on calling for a greater focus on mental health without expressing concern for where it may lead.

The law I worry about most is the law of unintended consequences.

elephant_man
February 8, 2013, 09:47 PM
Neato.

larryh1108
February 8, 2013, 09:57 PM
I see a lot of comment for a national carry permit. That scares me because it would mean the feds would have the say so if it's yes or no (ability to carry) and when they tie in mental health issues as well as having the name of everyone with this permit in a database,,,, well, I'm not comfortable with that. Yes, each state that issues permits has their own database but that is a lot different than giving the power to the almighty feds, all nice and neat in one computer for quick and easy access. If they allow national carry it would have to mean that every state honors every other's state permit.

mljdeckard
February 8, 2013, 10:00 PM
Well, let's just give up then. Obviously we've already lost.

I swear, if I had to share a foxhole with some of you guys, I would throw you out as soon as the shooting started. Focus. Keep your feces conglomerated. THEY ARE NOT WINNING. Don't ever play poker, you can't take the pressure.

JRH6856
February 8, 2013, 10:31 PM
No, we haven't already lost, but we could still lose even though we are winning on some fronts. I would rather try to anticipate what might be coming than wait for it to sneak and bite me. Seriously, countering the gun grabbers is like playing 3 or 4 games of whack-a-mole at the same time.

2ifbyC
February 8, 2013, 11:06 PM
I have read your post and it’s not logical. Ironically, it is as paranoid as the people you deemed to be paranoid because of their desire to stockpile arms & ammunition.

There are many holes in your vision and I will mention but a few:

What legal process under a revised ObamaCare will be used to force all people to receive a medical evaluation for mental illness? If not all, then how does one become a candidate for examination, e.g., a recommendation by a podiatrist during a routine examination? What percentage of these paranoid people goes undetected? Angry people have killed others, how are they detected?

Do you seriously believe that a national registry will keep guns out of the hands of “dangerous” people? You cannot guarantee the safety of people in a free society, let alone any society. Gun registration is the first step in total gun confiscation.

The future is what you plan it to be not what is gleamed through a crystal ball. People who are successful are so, not because of luck, but because they planned and looked for the right opportunity to arrive. Contacting your representatives will have a far greater impact than crystal ball gazing.

You are concentrating on the wrong problem to solve. The best that will occur would be a “feel good” solution that will have no effect on gun violence. And that solution will infringe on our 2A rights.

JRH6856
February 8, 2013, 11:18 PM
2ifbyC, please show me some gun control measures that you think are logical.

No, I don't believe a national registry will do anything but help take guns out of the hands of law abiding citizens. But it isn't what I believe that really matters as I will not be writing or passing the law.

As to how it becomes a part of Obamacare, after reading all 1500 or so pages of the act and seeing what is in there now, I'm sure anything is possible. Would it be logical? Make sense? Why would it need to? Obamacare doesn't make any sense now and it is already law.

Sambo82
February 8, 2013, 11:35 PM
I understand what Micro is saying; pro gun folks (esp the NRA) need to cool it with the "lets just focus on banning guns for the mentally ill" argument. If the Fed.gov get to determine what constitutes poor mental health, any one of us may be on that list. To an anti gun person, all gun owners are "gun nuts".

JRH6856
February 8, 2013, 11:59 PM
To an anti gun person, all gun owners are "gun nuts".

Exactly! To an anti-gunner (and I have talked to lots of them), anyone who wants to own a gun, especially for self-defense is thinking irrationally, and anyone who does own a gun demonstrates their mental instability by the very act of owning one. Owning more than one just compounds it.

What is worse, there are enough Doctors and mental health professionals that feel this way to cause serious problems. And the CDC has a history of finding guns to be a public health issue, that is why they are prohibited by law from promoting gun control—a prohibition the anti-gun crowd want to remove.

psyopspec
February 9, 2013, 01:32 AM
I work in finance and found out early on, the hard way, that I did not have your gift for predicting the future. Could you fire up your crystal ball to let me know where the markets will be in the near to intermediate future? That way I can let go of the conservative risk management strategies that have allowed me to continue in this field and pursue my dream of unmitigated wealth. I promise here and now to donate 40% of my after tax profits that come from your solid predictions to the NRA-ILA. Thank you in advance.

JRH6856
February 9, 2013, 02:26 AM
Predicting where the markets will be is easy. Predicting which vehicles will take them there and which will crash and burn on the way? That's the hard part.

As to the predictions in my OP? You don't know how much I hope I'm wrong.

BHP FAN
February 9, 2013, 03:24 AM
elections have unintended consequences. I hope you're wrong too, man.

Ragnar Danneskjold
February 9, 2013, 04:49 AM
As soon as I get back from this last deployment, I'm joining you fellas in the great Republic of Texas. This stuff, and not just gun, is coming to a head fast and I know where I want to be when it really comes down to the wire.

Bobson
February 9, 2013, 05:14 AM
Bill O'Rilley says gun registration is a good thing and everyone wants it including gun owners.
I was wondering what that tingling was.

Mr_Polite
February 9, 2013, 05:50 AM
Texas is quickly becoming a purple state

lilguy
February 9, 2013, 07:50 AM
Liberalism is like cancer, left untreated it eventually kills its host. I will tell all you sleep walking free staters, as leftists trash their home base and leave for greener pastures, they will move to your home areas and finish you off ,sooner or later.

beatledog7
February 9, 2013, 08:16 AM
Texas is quickly becoming a purple state

Sadly true, and not just of Texas. Virginia supported Democrats in the last handful of major elections, even though it used to be solidly Republican, no doubt in no small part due to a huge military presence. Voters from DC, Maryland, etc. who didn't like the policies of those places (the policies they said they wanted) moved to Virginia, where things were better, then voted for the same crap from which they fled, poisoning the political waters here as well.

It seems odd that people who vote for escalating government power, once they actually feel the effects of that increased government power, flee from places where it has the greatest influence and flock to places where it has less, then quickly set about recreating the conditions from which they fled.

This could happen to Texas as well. I hope I'm wrong, but I remember the lyrics of the classic Eagles song, "Call someplace paradise: kiss it goodbye."

Gun rights, like all Constitutional rights, are under siege from many angles and on many fronts. It's up to us to either fight back and win the survival of these rights, or lie down and surrender them. Of course we might fight and still lose, but at least we'd know we fought, and knowing that means we can fight again.

Trent
February 9, 2013, 08:35 AM
You want to boo-hoo about how bad it will all be for us once we finally fail? Save it for crying in your pillow at night. Here, we man up and FIGHT!

Damn straight.

Listen, men (and the occasional lady who happens by). I'm going to offer a little advice. Take it or leave it, but before you so casually discard the advice I am about to offer, consider my (abbreviated) history.

My father shot himself in the head when I was 7, in our driveway, as I watched from the neighbors window. I still have the gun he used, my uncle got it out of evidence and cleaned it up, gave it to me over a decade later. My step father was an abusive *****, who I still bear physical scars from. My mother and step father were cocaine dealers. I ran away from home when I was 14, moved in with my grandparents.

I developed a drug problem in high school. Dropped out of high school.

Classical logic would say I was "doomed to fail."

Found out I was going to be a father soon after. Cleaned myself up. Been clean ever since. Got my GED. Started a computer company. Fought for and was awarded custody of my children. (DAMN hard thing for a single father to do in IL).

20 years later, my net worth is closing in on 8 figures, I have 5 wonderful children, a beautiful wife who is understanding of my hobbies and quirks, and I live my life to the beat of my own drum.

My advice:

#1 There is no such thing as an unwinnable fight.
#2 There is no such thing as a lost cause.
#3 There is no such thing as helpless, or hopeless.
#4 There is absolutely no limits to what you can do, other than what you impose on yourself.
#5 No one, ever, will tell you what you can or cannot do. You have free will. You impose your own restrictions.

I am a proud man, an honest man, and an honorable man. I will NOT bend to the will of someone who wants to deprive me of my rights, of my property that I have worked hard to attain, or the heritage of my children who I have spent a great deal of energy and time raising.

So stand up and sound off like you got a pair.

And quit wringing your damn hands and worrying about the sky falling.

It'll still be up there tomorrow!

Now, get your ass in gear and make your voice heard. LOUD.

/end of rant

Hokkmike
February 9, 2013, 08:38 AM
The future is what we make it.

SaxonPig
February 9, 2013, 08:49 AM
Our Congressman spoke at a rally yesterday and said there is no mood in Congress for any gun or magazine ban or for universal checks. May get voted in the Senate but won't even come up in the House. Hope he is right.

beatledog7
February 9, 2013, 09:15 AM
You go, Trent!

r1derbike
February 9, 2013, 09:35 AM
I wrote my first letter to a president this morning about 2:00AM, and it was basically a quote of some of the bill of rights, present facts from the FBI Uniform Code, and a complete and utter gentleman's bashing of Dianne Feinstein's disarmament of America campaign spanning decades, wasting taxpayers' money, and not addressing the true, evil murderous killers, using firearms in gun free zones.

It was respectful, factual (gave footnotes where needed), and will certainly land in a place where sane, rational opposition to present flawed legislation lands; squarely in the round-file, after being read by an aid sympathetic to Mr. Obama's et al misguided cause.

At least it didn't cost a stamp and envelope, but I had to get it off my chest, as stately as possible. It actually felt good to be able to express my self, without a team of jack-boot thugs breaking down my door, because it wasn't what the White House wanted to hear. It was a personal plea, basically, from the heart, and an honest assessment where I think all this gun nonsense is headed (as if I was saying something he didn't already know).

I'm awaiting a reply, but don't expect one. If I do get one, I'll post it here yea or nay.

larryh1108
February 9, 2013, 10:01 AM
I, too, wrote the President several weeks back when NYS passed their insane laws. I wrote it professionally, formally and with the respect his position has earned. I pointed out many of the things pointed out here. I also stated that he would become known as the President who fractured America like none since Lincoln. I don't think any President wants to be known for that but he will be if he pushes his agenda.

I mailed it in a full sized envelope so it would not be folded. I included my name, address, email and phone number to show I wasn't a faceless radical. I expected an intern or secretary to read it and put it in a file with the thousands of other letters they must get weekly. I hoped for a form letter from them stating they have the letter and will consider it (yadda yadda). To date, I have not received anything in return. However, I don't expect anything nor do I believe I will receive anything but I did what I felt was right.

gym
February 9, 2013, 11:20 AM
Honestlly, I think we have come a long way in the past 6 weeks. We went from losing it all, to not losing anything. So why would anyone be thinking that we lost the war. We won the largest battle and have the enemy on the run, now we must keep up the preassure and drive the wooden stake through their heart.

psyopspec
February 9, 2013, 11:54 AM
Honestlly, I think we have come a long way in the past 6 weeks. We went from losing it all, to not losing anything. So why would anyone be thinking that we lost the war. We won the largest battle and have the enemy on the run, now we must keep up the preassure and drive the wooden stake through their heart.

You're right, we've made a lot of good progress against our political opponents. We're still not doing so great on the enemy of doubt from within. Throughout the charge we've had seers and prophets utilizing their jedi powers to predict the end times, throw up their arms, and paint a picture so bleak as to infer we should all quit in the face of futile resistance, weep for the past, and fear for the future.

Predicting where the markets will be is easy. Predicting which vehicles will take them there and which will crash and burn on the way? That's the hard part.

My donation to the NRA-ILA is ready to be put to work on Monday morning when the markets open. I'll even give to any non-extremist pro-gun organization of your choice that isn't GOA, as they don't want my money. There's no need to worry about "the vehicles that will take them there", given that there is no shortage of Exchange Traded Funds that directly mirror whatever index you're going to make your prediction on. That is, if you know where the markets will be, I can tell you where the corresponding ETF will be. So, what price target are we looking at? Which index? What timeline?

larryh1108
February 9, 2013, 11:56 AM
As well all know, the politicians took advantage of a tragedy to push thru their agenda. I seriously doubt they figured how firm we are in our resolve in light of the tragedy. The only thing that is a concern is the states pushing thru their own versions of "gun control". Hopefully, these will be fought and won in court.

As has been said, Obama has put more guns in American's hands than anyone I can think of and these added gun owners also vote. We gained a lot more than a moral victory, IMO. It's not over yet but all the reports I've read show our emails, letters and phone calls have worked. We have to keep it up.

gym
February 9, 2013, 12:14 PM
Maybe he does want som kind of conflict, as far out as it sounds, it sure was easy to see this coming. Once you give people a cut off date they obviouslly are going to buy anything they can before that date.
Not to feed in to conspiracy theorys but it does make sense that we would end up here with more guns and ammo in private hands than ever before.

JRH6856
February 9, 2013, 12:37 PM
Geez! The future is what we make it. But if we don't make it, others will because they too are always trying. It looks like the AWB is dead. probably magazine bans as well. We may get UBCs or we may not. We are winning some battles, but don't make the mistake of thinking we have won the war. What I described is a possibility we must be aware of and do what we can to stop it before it gets started.

"All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing" but we aren't doing nothin, and in our efforts (such as focusing attention on mental health) we must be careful not to open doors we would rather remain closed.

blaisenguns
February 9, 2013, 03:15 PM
Well my fortune cookie says "Pursue what makes you happy", and what makes me happy is AR 15s, AKs, M1As, an occasional Tommy Gun, and a country that I can own these things legally and proudly!

My fortune cookie beats your crystal ball :neener:

JRH6856
February 9, 2013, 04:01 PM
Be sure to eat the cookie and not the fortune.

blaisenguns
February 9, 2013, 04:02 PM
Be sure to eat the cookie and not the fortune.

I thought you had to eat the fortune to make it come true?

JRH6856
February 9, 2013, 06:04 PM
So that's what I've been doing wrong. :banghead:

gym
February 9, 2013, 06:51 PM
Psyo, i traded for 12 yrs 12 hrs a day with 6 screens and 4 wire services. Just do the opposite of what I do and you will make money, lol
I am out of the market, in cash, we are up too high, something will happen soon and the markets will dunp again. It always looks brightest before the floor falls out.
But Trent is my new hero, whatever he says I am going with, just don't forget that trip to Vegas we palnned. And those matching ferrari's you and I discussed.

chipcom
February 9, 2013, 08:26 PM
Looking in my crystal ball, this is what I see.

We're going to get UBCs. These will come with an expanded and detailed NICS database. The expansion will focus on newly required mental health information

This mental health information will come from mental health evaluations to be mandated under an amendment to Obamacare.

This mandate will come because the CDC will identify irrational fear and paranoia as a causitive factor in gun violence. The diagnostic indicators for this irrational fear will be a need to own firearms for self defense, a preference for military style weapons and high capacity magazines. owning several of these weapons, stockpiling ammunition,

Any physician or mental health professinal who observes these indicators (minimum number to be dertermined by CDC) must report them for inclusion the NICS database. Such an entry in the database will result in non approval.

And because there are already a lot of irrational paranoids out there with firearms, we will have to have a national registry to find them and get them out of dangerous hands.

And that is where we are heading in 5-10 years.
Your crystal ball is correct, and all the phone calls and letters in the world are not going to stop it at this point.

chipcom
February 9, 2013, 08:30 PM
Well, let's just give up then. Obviously we've already lost.

I swear, if I had to share a foxhole with some of you guys, I would throw you out as soon as the shooting started. Focus. Keep your feces conglomerated. THEY ARE NOT WINNING. Don't ever play poker, you can't take the pressure.
Understanding the reality of the situation is not "giving up".

"HERE COME THE ZOMBIES!"

"Those are not zombies, they are tanks"

"WHY ARE YOU SURRENDERING!"

;)

mmitch
February 9, 2013, 08:39 PM
If, as many of us, you have ever taken an oath to defend The Constitution, none of what they do matters, our course is set.

If you do not have the honor of having sworn, you will have to decide to draw a line, or bow-down.

Mike

chipcom
February 9, 2013, 08:49 PM
Yes, the time for nonviolent resistance is upon us...abandoning the fight, our families and descendants by going out in a blaze of glory, not so much.

Sam1911
February 9, 2013, 09:02 PM
Your crystal ball is correct, and all the phone calls and letters in the world are not going to stop it at this point.Hey, wow, I've never considered doom and gloom naysaying to be a great strategy for success, but maybe you're on to something!

Hey everybody, LET'S GIVE UP!!! Resistance if futile! Who's with me? C'mon men, about FACE and RETREAT!

blaisenguns
February 9, 2013, 09:10 PM
Hey everybody, LET'S GIVE UP!!! Resistance if futile! Who's with me? C'mon men, about FACE and RETREAT!

We'll never make it! We will all choke to death on our fortune-cookie-fortunes!!:barf:

XD 45acp
February 9, 2013, 09:18 PM
True Gypsies cannot reproduce.... Their husbands have Crystal Balls....:neener:

Sam1911
February 9, 2013, 09:20 PM
All right, all right. This has gone from speculation to silly.

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