Best round for 200+ Yd shooting.


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CoyoteSix
February 9, 2013, 01:00 AM
Hey all!

I've gotten an itch to hunt my deadly enemy, Steel, at long distances.

Just brain storming and debating right now about what the best round would be for this kind of work.

My first to thoughts were .223 or .308, but they're not available just yet so they're out of the picture for now.

I'm very open to Varmint cartridges. And very open to cheap rounds, I've used steel case alot and have faith in it if it feeds fine. I know it's not the most accurate but I'm going for steel, not a brilliant kill shot on game.

I would want the range to be between 200-500yds. I'd also want to only pay between .40-.60 a round if at all possible. I'm not a reloader (YET!). The caliber I choose if I decide to this will likely be the first caliber I reload for.

Recoil is not much of a factor. I'm comfortable up to .30-06.

Throw me some Ideas THR!

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Kachok
February 9, 2013, 01:09 AM
Nowadays it is hard to find bulk ammo or any popular caliber but if you are going to start reloading the 6.5x55/260/6.5 Creedmore would make a FANTASTIC range gun. I bought bulk 6.5x55 for dirt cheap and have been reusing the brass ever since, cost me $0.65 a shot new and about $0.40 to reload with the good stuff.
243 is cheap to reload too, I would not go smaller then the 6mm bore if you are going to be shooting any kind of distance seeing as the ballistics fall off sharply below that .243 caliber.

788Ham
February 9, 2013, 01:16 AM
Go with the '06 then !

Centurian22
February 9, 2013, 01:28 AM
I would say .308. Why are you saying its "not available yet"? You can always go for a mosin nagant in 7.62x54r. Pre craziness rounds ran .25-.30 per round. I would definitely recommend getting into reloading. I am loading match grade .308 for under .50 per round compared to as much as $1.50 per round from a LGS. Best of luck.

Kachok
February 9, 2013, 01:40 AM
The 30-06 is always a fine choice, it has the added advantage of being amongst the easiest to reload so not a bad place to start if you are learning how. Unlike some of my short action cartridges I have found the 06 to be both forgiving and versatile. Just buy a pound of 4350 and Serria bullets in the weight of your choice and the 06 will deliver. 6.5x55 is almost as easy RL 19 for the 120-130gr stuff and RL22 for anything heavier, it shoots every bullet weight so well it takes my #1 spot for my most versatile rifle.

savanahsdad
February 9, 2013, 01:45 AM
22lr and aim high :D,,,,,

200+ yards ?? I'm good out too 400 yards with my 270win's my 7mm-08, 7mmWSM or my 25WSSM I would not try it with my 32, 44's or my 35's you should be good with any 22-250 up to a 300mag
I think we should ask "what else are going to ues this gun for?"

CoyoteSix
February 9, 2013, 03:00 AM
@ Centurian: Right now .308 is amongst one of the disappeared calibers like .223 and 9mm. Atleast around here. I do have a MN 91/30, but I'm not gonna kid myself into thinking I can ping a plate with open sights.

@ Sav-Dad: Other uses? Might do some Coyote hunting with it, It is also gonna serve as my "Psuedo-Sniper". It's gonna be the gun that I take up with me on a hill and play Sniper with in the desert. I'll be hunting these:http://store.actiontarget.com/evilroyline/at-evil-roy-practice-target.html.

I've had my mind set on this project for a while. I'm slowly procurring the gear I need for it. Ex: Rests, Camel Paks, The Tripod mounted portable steel targets in the above URL, I just recently got a nice new Laser Range Finder and a good set of Binos. It's getting close to me actually having to buy the rifle soon!

I had originally planned on a plain Jane AR15 with a nice Leupold on it. But that might not happen for a while now. So I'll settle for a cheap Savage/Ruger/Remington until than.

savanahsdad
February 9, 2013, 03:28 AM
what are those targets rated at ? GunsAmerica Blog did a report on some of those last summer , I don't remember the brand , but most wont take a hit from 2600fps 180gr or a 3000fps 130gr, and you can drop a coyote with under a 75gr , so I'm thinking 243 or smaller , maybe a .25 cal



this would work 179386 in 25WSSM :neener:

Trent
February 9, 2013, 08:56 AM
I can't find a reliable supply of 223 or 308 bullets for reloading right now (I got a few boxes off midway recently, but the "big bulk packs" have gone the way of the dodo).

But I scored 1,000 Sierra 7mm 140gr spitzer projectiles the other day at a pawn shop for a princely sum of 15c a bullet. :)

Having oddball calibers is a great thing in a sellers market. It means I can still go have fun while 99% of the people are fighting over components for a handful of bore diameters.

dubbleA
February 9, 2013, 09:09 AM
The .223 will do everything on your list, no other cartridge listed comes close.

Cheap ammo, cheap to reload, low recoil, rifles in .223 come in many different flavors..... What's not to like?

SharpsDressedMan
February 9, 2013, 11:01 AM
I became disenchanted with the .223 round when my shooting at 200 yards was being blown 10-12" off the target with irregular gusting winds. This was back in 1980, right after I had bought an AR-15. Every now and then I miss that sleek, vintage rifle. But then I thnk of how more effective the .30 cals are at keeping bullets on the target, and I just sigh and let the .223 go.

Jenrick
February 9, 2013, 11:39 AM
5.45x39 will easily go out to 400 yds, 500 is quiet doable too. 7.62x39 is starting to become popular in bolt guns as well. Either of these cartridges is dirt cheap right now, and for minute of plate will shoot quiet well.

-Jenrick

Kachok
February 9, 2013, 11:44 AM
Hey DoubleA. Cheap ammo, for the 223!?!? Where are you shopping, my friends around here are chomping at the bit to pay $1 a pop for the crappy stuff, I can get quality high powered rifle ammo for less then that. The 223 might be cheaper once the dust settles in a couple years but right now it is just plain crazy expensive.

Centurian22
February 9, 2013, 12:28 PM
Kick, check out the "Sniper 101" series by "TiborasaurusRex" on you tube. It's up to over 30 vids in the series now but watch the first few to start. It covers caliber and rifle selection better than any other video or advice I've seen. Hope it helps.

Flatbush Harry
February 9, 2013, 12:30 PM
For 200+ yard steel silhouette shooting, anything .223or bigger is fine. A lot depends on what you like...from bolt action, single shot (e.g., Ruger No. 1, Trapdoor Springfield in .45-70), lever action, etc. I use all of my rifles for target shooting and practice, in field positions and from the bench or mat, so caliber and action type (and your eyesight) should determine things. In iron sights, I particular enjoy shooting a Garand M1 in .30-06 and for single shots, my Ruger No. 1 in 6.5x55 SE. With my handloads of 40.0gr of VV N550 powder under a 139 gr Lapua Scenar bullet or a 142gr Sierra MatchKing, it's one of my most accurate (and fun) rifles. All my hunting rifles get scopes and get work at that distance...indeed, all are sighted in at 200 yards.

As a reloader, I can enjoy a lot of practice. One to consider if you are hand loading is the .45-70 using lead bullets. You don't have to cast them and they're cheap. You can load up or down (Ruger No. 1s in .45-70 can use nice comfortable 19,000 PSI loads useful for the old trapdoor springfield and are strong enough to take a load just about equal to a .458 Win Mag (with jacketed bullets) if you feel so inclined. You can find nice old Trap Door Springfields and Marlin 1895 Cowboy Action Shooting lever actions in that caliber for almost any target game you'll ever want.

I would also agree on the .30-06...it's had 106 years of use for development and load data and components are cheap, available and fun to experiement with. As an example, my M1 Garand match load of 47.0gr of IMR 4895 under a 168gr BTHP match bullet shoots beautifully from one of my huntinting rifles (0.5-0.6" 3-shot groups are the norm at 100 yards) but will not do better than 2 MOA out of my favorite Win M70. One day, just for giggles, I made up rounds with 47.5gr, 48.0gr and 48.5gr for the Winnie using the same bullets...48.0 gr of IMR 4895 and 168gr Sierra MatchKing or Nosler Custom Comp gives me 0.75" or less at 100 yards and has turned my Winnie into one of my favorites.

I would note that Mike Venturino wrote an interesting article in Guns magazine a few issues back on old military sniper competitions using period-correct rifles. I'm intrigued enough so that I may look at Creedmor's or another replica of a 1903-A3 or -A4 with a replica 2.5x scope. This is a .30-06 so I'll be good to go. The Moisin-Nagant in 7.62x54R is also a good bet here because of price and cheap ammo. You can find Mauser K98k replicas (overpriced) or Mitchell's Mausers (even more overpriced) but 8mm Mauser ammo isn't cheap. 1896 Swedish Mausers are wonderful (6.5x55) and the Swiss K31 is very nice as well...the problem with them is that you really need to handload to make them remotely practical.

Just a few thoughts...YMMV and they may be worth exactly what you paid for them.

Good luck,

FH

BCRider
February 9, 2013, 12:54 PM
If you're building up a rifle of this sort you may as well do your research starting from scratch.

There's a good set of 7 videos on You Tube called "Sniper 101". It's a set of instructionals about long distance shooting. The great thing is that he doesn't try to sell you on any specific sort of ammo. Instead he provides a very neat way for you to sit down and list all your requirements, then to list the capabilities of various ammo which you might be considering and others in the same ball park and arrive at a suitable short list of options. The tables take into accout things like BC of the bullets, effective range if you'd be hunting with the gun, and to some extent the effect of cross winds on each. It's well worth the time to watch the whole set even if the "action" is rather classroom like and somewhat repetitive seeming at times. Just don't get trapped into HIS examples. Do your own charts up.

I'd also suggest that you realistically consider how many rounds a day you'll be shooting and how the recoil from them affects you at the moment. Out of the blue I chose 7mm-08. As it happens it would not be a horrible long range round at all. And by any normal consideration it's quite a moderate recoil. But if I try to shoot 20 to 25 of them over a couple of hours my shoulder is most definetly somewhat shocky after the first 10'ish shots and my finer motor skills go away. A heavier gun and good shoulder pad would most certainly help. But it's something to consider when you're planning your system. Even with a heavy gun I would expect something like a .30-06 to bring on the same shoulder shakes in me after the first 10 to 12 rounds set off. The "moral" of this tale is that a round which is fine for a few shots may be a little too hot of a recoil for someone if the round count jumps up a bunch for the day.

CoyoteSix
February 9, 2013, 02:17 PM
@Sav-Dad, I paid $20 extra for the "Heavy Duty" models. The Heavy duty models are rated for High cal rifle rounds, they're fine up to .30-06 I believe.

@Everyone Else: I'll definitely check out those videos! Also, what are some nice "Odd ball" Calibers that are on the cheaper side and dope wind well?

velojym
February 9, 2013, 02:20 PM
I like .243 for this. You'll hit 200yds with almost boring regularity, and with the low recoil, you'll soon be looking for longer ranges to shoot, and this caliber will travel right on out with your ability.
I also like that I'm still finding relatively inexpensive .243 on the shelves while everyone else is scrambling for dribs and drabs. I also just picked up a couple boxes of .45acp at Walmart yesterday, too. Not a round of 9mm in sight. Muahahahahahaha.

No .22lr, though. Good thing I stocked up a modest supply.

CoyoteSix
February 9, 2013, 02:23 PM
For the AR15 Gurus here!:

What are some good oddball calibers for the AR15?

I like the concept of an AR15 in .243, or even .30-06! Any oddball caliber will work.

Does Springfield's M1A come in .30-06?

HOOfan_1
February 9, 2013, 02:26 PM
I like the concept of an AR15 in .243, or even .30-06! Any oddball caliber will work.


Won't work...they are too long for an AR15. .243 will work in AR10. .30-06 is too long for AR10

browningguy
February 9, 2013, 02:47 PM
If you want to shoot winning scores then go with a 6 or 6.5mm. 6.5 Creedmore, .260 Remington are both very good , and almost identical rounds.

savanahsdad
February 9, 2013, 03:32 PM
@Sav-Dad, I paid $20 extra for the "Heavy Duty" models. The Heavy duty models are rated for High cal rifle rounds, they're fine up to .30-06 I believe.

@Everyone Else: I'll definitely check out those videos! Also, what are some nice "Odd ball" Calibers that are on the cheaper side and dope wind well?
good for a 30/06 , cool , go with a 300win mag , and lets us know how there warranty is :) lol....

AABEN
February 9, 2013, 03:46 PM
Hey all!

I've gotten an itch to hunt my deadly enemy, Steel, at long distances.

Just brain storming and debating right now about what the best round would be for this kind of work.

My first to thoughts were .223 or .308, but they're not available just yet so they're out of the picture for now.

I'm very open to Varmint cartridges. And very open to cheap rounds, I've used steel case alot and have faith in it if it feeds fine. I know it's not the most accurate but I'm going for steel, not a brilliant kill shot on game.

I would want the range to be between 200-500yds. I'd also want to only pay between .40-.60 a round if at all possible. I'm not a reloader (YET!). The caliber I choose if I decide to this will likely be the first caliber I reload for.

Recoil is not much of a factor. I'm comfortable up to .30-06.

Throw me some Ideas THR!
IF you want a good all round gun look at the 270 you can use light bullets are heavy ones. Look up info on it it has less recoil it will shoot flatter than the 30.06 for you can use light bullets. Good luck

Offfhand
February 9, 2013, 03:48 PM
.260 Remington

savanahsdad
February 9, 2013, 03:54 PM
For the AR15 Gurus here!:

What are some good oddball calibers for the AR15?

I like the concept of an AR15 in .243, or even .30-06! Any oddball caliber will work.

Does Springfield's M1A come in .30-06?
like HOOfan said those are too long, as for cheep odd balls ? can't think of any , but if you want a high power long range AR15 check out the line up of WSSM"S ( 223WSSM, 243WSSM, 25WSSM, 30ossm, but not cheep, I went with Olympic k8 target match in 25WSSM with a Shepherd V1A, 6-18x 40mm on top, keep in mine, I hand load , I think my next uper will be in 6.8mil spc. (short 270) alsol not cheep ,
If this is something you plan on doing soon, you may to stick with a bolt action, as AR odd ball stuff is just going nuts $$$$$$$$ Olympic Arms is out of stock on all AR's as of yesterday,

TexasPatriot.308
February 9, 2013, 04:25 PM
I'd say my favorite, the .308, but the 7mm-08 does an amazing job and I love this round too.

vaupet
February 9, 2013, 05:09 PM
6,5x55 of course
Where is kachok when you need him?

HOOfan_1
February 9, 2013, 05:43 PM
6,5x55 of course
Where is kachok when you need him?

In the second post

dubbleA
February 9, 2013, 06:57 PM
Hey DoubleA. Cheap ammo, for the 223!?!? Where are you shopping, my friends around here are chomping at the bit to pay $1 a pop for the crappy stuff, I can get quality high powered rifle ammo for less then that. The 223 might be cheaper once the dust settles in a couple years but right now it is just plain crazy expensive.
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In the San Antonio area as of yesterday Feb 8,2013 Walmarts had plenty of .223 Rem ammo. The lower priced stuff was a whooping $7.97. Area Academy's also have plenty of .223 but limit the amount you can purchase.

I would bet your whatever you want, truck, gun collection, gold, cash, house that I could walk into anyone of the 50+ area wallyworlds and pick up more 223 ammo in a variety of brands/loads and cheaper than 6.5x55 any day week period.
Not that the 6.5x55 is a bad round it's just not as popular and available as the 223 and never will be. Yes the dimunutive 223 will do everything the OP listed and it will do it cheaper with either factory or handloaded ammo.

Cee Zee
February 10, 2013, 04:05 AM
I just bought some quality .223 Wednesday at a LGS. I don't buy the cheap stuff because I'm not into spraying lead unless it's really cheap (like 7.62 x 39 or cheaper when it is cheap). I stay stocked up because I learned my lesson 4 years ago. I bought plenty while the price was low. But I see .223 ammo that's no more expensive than it was a year ago. You just have to look in the right places.

CB900F
February 10, 2013, 01:58 PM
K-D-D;

Here's another very enthusiastic vote for the 6.5 X 55mm Swedish Mauser. The round has won 1000 yard Palma competitions, and is known for not only it's stellar accuracy, but modest recoil as well. Recoil is a serious factor when shooting long strings at extreme distances.

The cartridge is easy to reload for and will return good load development with outstanding accuracy. If you get a mil-surp gun, just check the stock disc & have someone interpret it for you if necessary. Ammo is not hard to find, even these days, and the cost is reasonable. But, if you handload your own, you may find that steel to be waaay too easy.

900F

rodregier
February 10, 2013, 08:57 PM
If you want to obscure, 222 Remington should do the trick. It set benchrest records in the past, so it's certainly accurate enough.

Cee Zee
February 10, 2013, 09:36 PM
I saw some .222 today and some .22 Hornet. I bought a box of the Hornet to shoot in a rifle I'm stashing for my landlord.

CoyoteSix
February 11, 2013, 01:57 AM
How would a .30-.30 out a Marlin 336 do at 300yds? I won't be doing 500yds of course. But I'd settle.

CB900F
February 11, 2013, 09:33 AM
K-D-D;

Uh, a typical 170 grain bullet has the ballistic coefficient of a brick and the trajectory of a rainbow. It'll leave the muzzle at something around 1900 fps with a B/C of well under .2. That means at 300 yards it might be doin' 1000 fps & might have 400 ft. lbs. of energy. Numbers that really aren't fair to a game animal. Particularly when there are much better choices available for hunting at that kind of range.

Let's contrast the above with my fav load for the 6.5 Swede in a modern action. Muzzle velocity is 2700 fps & energy is 2266 ft lbs. At 300 yards velocity is 2200 & energy is still over 1500. B/C on that bullet is .520. Or, the .30-06: MV 2900 fps at 2800 energy
& 300 velocity is 2150, energy 1540 & B/C is .349.

The flatter shooting Swede & ought-6 retain enough energy to cleanly kill medium sized game animals at that range. A good rule of thumb is to be able to put a thousand pounds of energy on the target. Another factor is the mid-range trajectory of the bullet you're shooting. Both the ought-6 & the Swede are much flatter shooting than the thutty-thutty, and therefore it's easier to hit what your shooting at when you don't know the exact range.

900F

Nwflycaster
February 11, 2013, 11:24 AM
If you're talking single shot bolt action and not looking for across the coarse type of shooting, you would be hard pressed to find anything better than a 6BR for 200 - 600 yard shooting.

PaperPlateTargets
February 11, 2013, 12:18 PM
I might of missed it in the replies above, but I loved my 22-250 and I didn't see it mentioned. Now I'm curious. Bad round?

CoyoteSix
February 11, 2013, 12:57 PM
To clarify all I'll be hitting is steel, no game. I'm also looking for something economical.

Trent
February 11, 2013, 01:05 PM
22-250 a bad round? No frigging way.

Bullets are cheap, so it's economical. You go through powder a little faster than 223, but the powder isn't the most expensive component so the effect this has on your cost per round is fairly insignificant.

If you are BUYING ammo it's gonna be costly, but that's true of any accurate, match grade rifle round, so an irrelevant point.

As far as accuracy?

The very FIRST time my wife shot a rifle, I set her down with an off-the-shelf, unmodified Savage 112 in 22-250. It came from the factory with a heavy, weighted stock, very stable. The only thing I did to the gun was put nice glass on it (Leupold VariX Mk3).

Her first 5 shot group that she'd ever fired, I could cover with a dime at 125 yards.

In fact, we made a game out of it, and I started taping dimes up on the target. She got so bored with shooting bullseyes that we started shooting currency instead. She handed a bunch of dimes and quarters out to her friends, later as souvenirs. She was able to place the round close enough to the edge - on demand - to use them for keychains. :)

And that was her first day ever holding a rifle.

I shot one-hole groups with it all day long at 100 yards. So can she, now.

She still has several of those coins, 12 years later, on her truck's keychain.

22-250 is NOT going to disappoint you, accuracy wise.

savanahsdad
February 11, 2013, 02:06 PM
I might of missed it in the replies above, but I loved my 22-250 and I didn't see it mentioned. Now I'm curious. Bad round?
great round , that's on my short list right next to a 243win, I was thinking about getting a 22-250 AR uper , thinking that would be a blast !

Trent
February 11, 2013, 04:13 PM
Well, there's a drawback to 22-250 (and I imagine the 6mm benchrest cartridges suffer the same problem)...

They get mighty boring to shoot if you can't stretch them out.

I mean, the first time you put a 10 round group together at 100 yards that's one hole (or a ragged hole at 200), it's really cool.

But the 10th time? The 20th time? You start reaching. I was shooting pez, pennies, dimes, change, putting a bullet through each of the marks on a #10 playing card, I even shot a match in half did the same with a playing card lengthwise at 100 yards.

But it gets boring, after you run out of ideas on "little things to shoot". Golf balls at 300 yards in high wind are still fun, but my current range doesn't let me shoot anything that isn't stapled to the target stand. :(

So I haven't got the rifle out in a long time, to shoot it. Just "ran out of ideas."

However, one thing I will say - learning to shoot, and shoot well, off of a rifle like that, will transfer experience that is LASTING. If that rifle doesn't hit dead center (it really shoots like a laser beam), then YOU did something wrong.

So I really mastered all of the fundamentals on it. Breath control, hold, parallax, reading the wind (when there is markers), etc.

Buying a rifle with a cartridge as inherently accurate as the 22-250 or one of the 6mm benchrest variants is probably the best thing you could ever do, if you want to become a skilled rifleman. Because it removes ALL doubt about whether it's YOU, or the RIFLE.

That lets you focus on YOU.

But, after at time, shooting lasers gets boring. :)

CCCP
February 11, 2013, 05:46 PM
Have a look on Remington R25. Not exactly AR15

Cee Zee
February 11, 2013, 08:18 PM
He doesn't want to shoot game. He wants to shoot steel. He doesn't want to put holes in it. He just wants to hit it. For that (and lots of different varmints) a .223 is plenty good out to 500 yards. It gets pretty anemic after that but you can still hit the targets. It just won't be easy to tell that you hit it.

Trent
February 11, 2013, 08:45 PM
I've never had a problem hearing 223 hit anything metal at a quarter mile. And we've shot at everything ranging from steel poppers to cars to (full) propane cans to beer kegs to washers and dryers and other stuff I'm not allowed to talk about until the statute of limitations expires.... ;)

The problem with 223 at longer ranges, is it starts falling like a rock. It is also REALLY twitchy in wind.

But competition shooters still manage (and manage very well, to my admiration) to fire AR's on target out to 600 with sufficient accuracy that *I* wouldn't want to be in their sights.

22-250 is a little better in this regards too. When you're lobbing a projectile out at 4,000fps, wind has less time to act on it, as does gravity. It flies flatter, gets there faster, it has reduced wind drift due to speed, and arrives with a heck of a LOT more attitude.

CoyoteSix
February 11, 2013, 10:06 PM
Maybe I should've named this "Economical round for 200-300yd shooting"! :D

tech30528
February 11, 2013, 10:14 PM
I'd say go with the 30/06 too. I shoot 7.62x54r but until someone starts making aftermarket barrels for them finding a tight one is tough. It' s worth the chase though if you do. Just got 880 rounds last week for $190 including shipping. That's the up side to the old Mosin. But I've always wanted to go the other way and shoot .204. Who doesn't want to see 4000 fps?

But if you are looking for cheap the Mosin fits the bill. Mine is a little under 2Moa. Not exactly a tack driver but plenty accurate for 300 yards on bigger game. I've shot steel with it past 400. And then there's that new stock coming soon that makes it removable mag fed....

Centurian22
February 11, 2013, 11:19 PM
Tech, please tell where did you get 880rds for $190 shipped?!?!? I would jump on that in a second if its still in stock! Thanks.

coloradokevin
February 12, 2013, 05:03 AM
There are a lot of choices for the distances you're looking to shoot. Although the .260 Remington and 6.5 Creedmoor are getting quite popular for longer ranges (better ballistics than .308 Win), the .308 Win is still well within its element at the distances you're talking about shooting.

Here's why I suggest the .308 Win:

1) It's an easy cartridge to find anywhere, there are lots of components available, and lots of recipes for loads that work with many rifles have already been worked out.

2) Barrel life is great with the .308 Win

3) The .308 Win is fairly suitable for hunting most game.

savanahsdad
February 12, 2013, 02:46 PM
Maybe I should've named this "Economical round for 200-300yd shooting"! :D
don't forget."if it takes you 5 shots to hit your target then the price go's up",

hey_poolboy
February 12, 2013, 04:28 PM
My buddy and I shot steel (10"x3/8" ar500) at 425 two weeks ago. I was using my 22-250. Had no problems hearing the ding with my ears on. It was a lot of fun too. He was shooting 300 win mag.

My personal preference would be .308, but since I don't have one .22-250 works just fine. I've used .270, .243, and 30-06 as well. Anything that will reach out that far will be fine and fun. Heck, I've shot steel plates at 100 yds with my 1911. That's a LOT of fun! A little tough too. :D

No, I didn't put every round on steel at 100yds, but I finally got 5/7 on target.

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NRAforLIFE
February 12, 2013, 04:35 PM
I agree with velojym; the .243 is the affordable option. Ammo is always available somewhere, which is a real plus right now. Wind drift is much less than the .22's, but if you drop back to one of those, you might try the lowly deuce (.222 Rem.). Ammo is plentiful for that cal., and cheap as well. It's a tack driver in the older guns. :)

Trent
February 12, 2013, 06:06 PM
Tech, please tell where did you get 880rds for $190 shipped?!?!? I would jump on that in a second if its still in stock! Thanks.

Here's a source, dunno if in stock. $10 higher than AIM was 6 months ago, per 440.

http://centerfiresystems.com/AM54R440.aspx

coloradokevin
February 13, 2013, 01:09 AM
Also, as far as the ding of steel is concerned, I've often found that I get a better ding out of the larger plates (10-12") than I do out of the smaller plates (4-8"). So, I think that might be a consideration as much as caliber choice is for making a sound.

Centurian22
February 13, 2013, 02:18 AM
Thanks Trent! Seems to still be in stock! Hopefully I can place an order before it sells out.

Cee Zee
February 14, 2013, 01:33 AM
that the impact has to cause to vibrate. 10" at 500 yds is going to get missed, a lot, if there's any sort of wind or mirage, and using anything but a benchrest. :-)

If you don't have a really good rifle for long range shooting you're still going to miss most of the time shooting a 10" target at 500 yards. But there are rifles that will do it consistently if the wind isn't real strong (as you said niho). I just wouldn't expect most AR's to do it. But a good bolt action will do it with any caliber .223 and above (and some technically under a .223. A .22 Hornet will probably do it.I'm sure they will if you have the right rifle.

theblakester
February 14, 2013, 03:39 AM
270 and 7mm mag are both popular and they have great long distance ballistics

savanahsdad
February 14, 2013, 04:26 AM
If you don't have a really good rifle for long range shooting you're still going to miss most of the time shooting a 10" target at 500 yards. But there are rifles that will do it consistently if the wind isn't real strong (as you said niho). I just wouldn't expect most AR's to do it. But a good bolt action will do it with any caliber .223 and above (and some technically under a .223. A .22 Hornet will probably do it.I'm sure they will if you have the right rifle.
so your saying My AR 15 in post#8 is not MOST ? awh.. your going to hurt my feeling !! lol... great budget gun too.

Aaron1100us
February 14, 2013, 04:41 AM
.22lr, way cheap and still fun.

Check out this video (not mine). .22lr @300 yards. Besides .22lr, I'd say .243, .308, 7.62x54R, 30-06. How about .338 Lapua :) ? J/K :)

http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=xAkOzr6cDx0

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savanahsdad
February 14, 2013, 05:08 AM
.22lr, way cheap and still fun.

Check out this video (not mine). .22lr @300 yards. Besides .22lr, I'd say .243, .308, 7.62x54R, 30-06. How about .338 Lapua :) ? J/K :)

http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=xAkOzr6cDx0

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338Lapua wont ring steel, it just go's CLICK, and you see light through the hole! at least at 100yards it dose , so did my 7mmWSM (1/2" thick 2'X2' steel plate)

dubbleA
February 14, 2013, 10:04 AM
The type of steel has a huge role in stopping bullets.

The 6 inch round on the left is 1/2 inch AR500 while the plate on the right is 1/2 inch A36 which is common mild steel.

Both were shot with a 338 Lapua handload of mine at 400yds, do you see a difference?

http://i49.photobucket.com/albums/f268/dubbleA/Targets/IMG_8377.jpg

tech30528
February 16, 2013, 09:16 AM
Tech, please tell where did you get 880rds for $190 shipped?!?!? I would jump on that in a second if its still in stock! Thanks.
Sorry, haven't been around in a while. The site was AIM Surplus. I got to talk to a rep there after they sent me an email that they needed proof of age to ship it. He says it is not likelt there will be any shortage of this stuff, it's still coming in in big quanitities. The one I just got was two spam cans in a wooden crate with a can opener. Still has the metal band on it.

Centurian22
February 16, 2013, 01:13 PM
No problem on the delay. Thanks for the info. Glad to hear there isn't a shortage especially in these times of empty shelves. At least I can still shoot something.

Cee Zee
February 16, 2013, 01:48 PM
so your saying My AR 15 in post#8 is not MOST

Well of course not! Everyone knows that don't they? ;)

tech30528
February 17, 2013, 09:22 AM
SGAMMO has the same deal. There seems to be no difference between the the Russian 1971 and 1986 production and the Bulgarian 1971 except the Bulgarian has a silver tip. Both 147 grain mild steel core, I see no difference at all out to 400 yards. I couldn't find the Bulgarian on 7.62x54r.net in their ammo section so I used the data for the Russian 60 over 86 head stamp and it matched perfectly. In last week's testing they are drilling 1/4 of 400 series steel at 100 yards so don't use this on someone else's plates. Don't know how far out you have to be to ring in instead of drilling it.

ID-shooting
February 17, 2013, 09:56 AM
Seems to me that ammo selection isnt as big of a deal as platform selection. If you arent worried about killing power for game, as your post indicates, any .223 and up will work.

I like to play "sniper" with my mini-30 (7.62x39). It is real satisfying to hear the 500yd gong when I am resting he rifle on my pack and I get the lob just right.

If you want bolt, 7.62x54r out of a scoped Mosin would be fun or 8mm out of a scoped Mauser would be as well. Scoping an SKS is easy. If you want American, CMP Garands in 30-06 can be found, especially for a non-collector grade that you would scope.

Modern production becomes endless in options. If current ammo availability is your primary concern, hit the local retail points and see what is available, buy all you can afford then buy a rifle that matches and is comfortable for you.

Cee Zee
February 17, 2013, 10:08 AM
Scoping an SKS is easy.

It is? What have I been missing for 21 years? The only ways to scope an SKS well are to replace the rear sight with a scope mount or to drill holes in the side of the receiver and mounting a scope on the left side of the rifle. Dust cover based scope mounts are a real pain. They move around too much.

savanahsdad
February 17, 2013, 09:39 PM
It is? What have I been missing for 21 years? The only ways to scope an SKS well are to replace the rear sight with a scope mount or to drill holes in the side of the receiver and mounting a scope on the left side of the rifle. Dust cover based scope mounts are a real pain. They move around too much.


scoped SKS , yep piece of cake 179928 now the stock work , well thats another story:)

Paul7
February 17, 2013, 10:13 PM
In the San Antonio area as of yesterday Feb 8,2013 Walmarts had plenty of .223 Rem ammo. The lower priced stuff was a whooping $7.97. Area Academy's also have plenty of .223 but limit the amount you can purchase.

I would bet your whatever you want, truck, gun collection, gold, cash, house that I could walk into anyone of the 50+ area wallyworlds and pick up more 223 ammo in a variety of brands/loads and cheaper than 6.5x55 any day week period.
Not that the 6.5x55 is a bad round it's just not as popular and available as the 223 and never will be. Yes the dimunutive 223 will do everything the OP listed and it will do it cheaper with either factory or handloaded ammo.

You can get Privi Partizan 6.5x55 for $13 a box online, which is where I buy all my ammo anyway. Last week I had a .75" group at the range with it, and I'm not the best shot. Yesterday killed this Barbary Sheep with it. Rifle was a Sako 85 Finnlight with a Zeiss Conquest scope. It dropped like lighting hit it, the round entered the left side of the face, through the neck and out the right shoulder. I won't tell you where I was aiming. :rolleyes:

hawk45
February 19, 2013, 05:10 PM
.22 cal is fun at 200yds. But in centerfire, .223/5.56 is the way to go for cheap shooting. After that .308. If you can reload I'd say .260 can do anything from 100yds to 1500yds.

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