Dick Cavett is attacking the 2A on the NYT


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SuperNaut
February 9, 2013, 11:14 AM
Dick Cavett has been writing a series of OP-ED's about guns. (http://opinionator.blogs.nytimes.com/2013/02/08/more-on-guns-with-readers/) He is taking a very condescending and superior tack in these articles. While simultaneously parroting long-debunked arguments, numbers, and positions. I highly recommend logging on and informing him of his errors.

I took my treasure back to my hotel and spent an hour or more in front of a full-length mirror being, alternately, Conrad Veidt, Ivan Triesault, Eduardo Ciannelli, Walter Slezak and probably 10 other of those splendid European actors who always seemed to be playing Nazi officers in the war movies of the ’40s and ’50s.

And you might as well know the worst: I slept with it.

I think the degree to which this resembles a sexual confession is not entirely coincidental. Learned (two-syllable pronunciation) papers and studies exist on the sexuality of guns, focusing always on the rather obvious phallic resemblance of the hand-held gun and the male organ; comfortable grip, extension, ejection, consequences of improper use … the list goes on.

Here is one of my many replies to his OP-ED

I'm not surprised that someone who fetishizes an inanimate object would think that the same object has supernatural power to cause crime. It isn't the fault of the person pulling the trigger, it is the talismanic gun.

Dividing violent crime into "gun crime" and "other crime" is transparent manipulative rhetorical sophistry . Concern over the manner of death rather than just the death itself exposes the bias and agenda of the typical anti-Constitutionalist.

"But I love the Constitution" the communitarians deviously protest. "We aren't going to take away your guns" the politicians protest, while simultaneously taking them away. "This is for your own good" the social engineers say, while pretending that the previous assault weapons ban actually worked.

Rainbows, Unicorns, and Magical Thinking disguised as progress.

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scaatylobo
February 9, 2013, 11:22 AM
Of all the hollyweirdo's he is the last one to even read his poop in print.

He was a has been over 3 DECADES so why bother as to his 'opinion'.

But you did a great job of noting his mental problems and mentioning them.

His fixations are very disturbing and we should all be very happy that he dislikes guns,he might "sleep with one" and that paints a very disturbing picture.

Good answer to a mental case though !!

ApacheCoTodd
February 9, 2013, 12:03 PM
Really, I thought he was dead, such is his irrelevance.

As far as "...very condescending and superior..." that was always his stance before the camera. Years ago I remember thinking that old DC tapes must be like "preaching from on high" to Jon Stewart as their styles were so similar I could see him watching and re-watching them over & over as a true believer.

As far as his (DC's) tired old attempt to marginalize firearms ownership as a form of sexual compensation (physical or emotional) and thereby embarrassing folk at least into silence rather than defending themselves... that's just the saddest, oldest and most sophomoric (sophomoronic?) of academic fact-fleeing arguments.

Everything those goatied, leather-elbow-patch-wearing, smug, self righteous, elitist snobs don't understand, appreciate or down right loath goes back to sex on the part of those whom they attack for an activity or ownership.

"What's he making up for?" Is their lame old mantra to end an argument.

Maybe his next epic interview with a has-been can be a love fest with Sly(me)-Stallone.

gym
February 9, 2013, 12:13 PM
As long as Johnny Carson doesn't come out against it. But really, who listens to Dick Cavet.We can't fight these folks 1 at a time. they have connectons to get air time, we don't, you should appeal to whoever gave him the spot and ask for equal time if anything.

jerkface11
February 9, 2013, 12:22 PM
Who?

Fishslayer
February 9, 2013, 01:22 PM
Is he still alive? Good for him.:rolleyes:

gc70
February 9, 2013, 01:44 PM
Given Cavett's self-declared history of mental problems, I am surprised the NYT would publish his articles on guns.

Coop45
February 9, 2013, 01:50 PM
Golly, gee whiz he surely changed my mind with his brilliant insight. Not!! Once a bottom feeder, always a bottom feeder.

gym
February 9, 2013, 05:01 PM
If they have a "name" and can be used by the Anti's you can be sure they will be, even though some younger memberrs don't know who he is, I can assure you he still has an audience of know it all psudo bookchair liberal scholars who think he is a brilliant man.
he was like Jack Parr or Johnny Carson, if you need a more recent reference point you are too young to drive, lol

BHP FAN
February 9, 2013, 05:20 PM
Like John Stewart, only not as funny.

Nickel Plated
February 9, 2013, 05:58 PM
Quote from the link:

Doesnít it appear to be that the best thing you and I, as Americans, can do as protection against getting shot at any moment is to, without delay, move to any other country on the planet? So it would seem.

HOLY HELL!! They've finally figured it out :eek:

By all means, PLEASE, pack your **** and GO!!!! Preferably to England or China. I'm sure you'll love it there.

Akita1
February 9, 2013, 10:24 PM
I went and commented on the article with some fact-based logic and how fruitless demonizing people who disagree is; even tried to show how logical, thoughtful debate has led to a plausible system of laws that has worked here for a couple of hundred years. As expected, attacked right away with emotional, non factual diatribes.

There has been no logical progression of their position, just the same all-or-none crap over the last 20 years. Seems that we're winning this debate - pretty sad when the Old Grey Lady parades Cavett out to opine on the matter.

blaisenguns
February 9, 2013, 10:29 PM
I legitimately have no idea who that is, and if I did I doubt his opinion would matter to me. BTW whoever he is he is nuts, he has a NAZI fetish. Sick.

Texshooter
February 9, 2013, 10:31 PM
Thought he was dead.

At the very least, TOTALLY irrelevant lil man.

ta - ta.

Deltaboy
February 9, 2013, 11:33 PM
Poor dick is still spouting his leftist agenda. If I remember he was anti Nam.He needs to move to Cuba.

gym
February 9, 2013, 11:55 PM
Dick Cavat was a well spoken politically engineered comic/host, he did interviews and had a talk show like the tonight show, in the 60's. Maybe into the early 70's. At the time he was an elitest hippie who was a Buckley type. For 10 -20 years he was a pretty impressive guy, interviewing just about everyone and looking like a Harvard Law professor, with the tweed jackets and cordory pants and loafers.
He was a well respected host for a while there, but faded out in the 80's kind of like that other guy withe the political stand up bit who had his own show for years. "can't think of his name". He just is not relavent, and probablly suffers from dimensia by now. They are puling all of the old conservatives out of the closet. he was a comic, actor comedian and had the Dick cavet show, which like I mentioned was like the jack par and johnny Carson show.

jerkface11
February 10, 2013, 12:33 AM
Ok who is Jack Par?

pendennis
February 10, 2013, 12:37 AM
Ok who is Jack Par (sic)?
I hope you're kidding. But, if not, Jack Paar is the father of late-night television. He was Johnny Carson's immediate predecessor.

michaelbsc
February 10, 2013, 12:45 AM
I hope you're kidding. But, if not, Jack Paar is the father of late-night television. He was Johnny Carson's immediate predecessor.

Come on. Everybody can't be old like us. Hell, our species would die out.

Remember, Johnny Carson is already dead. And Jack Parr was his predecessor.

michaelbsc
February 10, 2013, 12:49 AM
kind of like that other guy withe the political stand up bit who had his own show for years. "can't think of his name". He just is not relavent, and probablly suffers from dimensia by now. .

Do you mean Frost?

Voyager
February 10, 2013, 01:03 AM
Dick Cavett has been writing a series of OP-ED's about guns. (http://opinionator.blogs.nytimes.com/2013/02/08/more-on-guns-with-readers/) He is taking a very condescending and superior tack in these articles. While simultaneously parroting long-debunked arguments, numbers, and positions. I highly recommend logging on and informing him of his errors.



Here is one of my many replies to his OP-ED
I have quietly observed a good many such as yourself, attempt to dress down, out intellectualize, and eventually out shout, the marxist/leninist Hollywood entertainer super-citizen class as they ridicule, and demean not just the nation and what made it great, but the poor fools that have made them wealthier then any collection of humans in the entire history of humanity itself.

I cannot help but wonder, how many of you continue to finance these degenerates lavish lives, by subscribing to their cable networks, purchasing their music, literature, motion pictures, tickets to live performances ect..ect..ect...

This Hollywood sub-culture, including all of its tendrils into the electronic news/media, music, and gaming industries, is comprised of the most disloyal, amoral, dysfunctional, drug addled, subversive parasites in all of human history. And yet I look about and see that not very many of you have the sand to just say, screw them!

You want to hit them back, then stop feeding them your money, I think thats a pretty effective strategy. Though to be honest, I'd be surprised if just one out of every twenty of you were capable of disconnecting from these parasites.

r1derbike
February 10, 2013, 01:38 AM
A mentally-ill Dick Cavett preaching gun/uniform fetishism? Doesn't this seem oxymoronic, if not a laughable tragedy of age induced alzheimers?

I bet he's got an old rubber suit thrown-in that box of military uniforms, he dons as well.

I'd love to hear the commentary while admiring the mirror, mirror, on the wall reflection.

r1derbike
February 10, 2013, 01:40 AM
Do you mean Frost?David Frost, if memory serves?

Steve Allen was my favorite Tonight Show host, behind Johnny Carson, of course, But Steve started it all, so he has mojo points.

2ifbyC
February 10, 2013, 01:48 AM
This reminds me of Saddam Husseinís scorched earth policy as a last ditch effort to win the Kuwait war. The antis are scouring the earth in search of any anti-gun propagandist that they can prop-up or wheelchair onto the media to give some hope of relevance to their cause.

It is a sad strategy. As stated before, it means nothing other than they are losing the war. And it makes fools of those who may be hanging onto any hope of credibility.

Okiegunner
February 10, 2013, 03:16 AM
OK...Look guys, I am old, OK?

I can remember when I was in 5th grade, we watched a film in class featuring Dick Cavett. It was about STDs...just saying.

michaelbsc
February 10, 2013, 03:57 AM
David Frost, if memory serves?

Steve Allen was my favorite Tonight Show host, behind Johnny Carson, of course, But Steve started it all, so he has mojo points.

Yes, David Frost. There was actually a recent dramatization of the Frost - Nixon interviews, the process of the making of them rather than the interviews themselves, that was excellent. Can't recall who played Frost and Nixon off the top of my head.

meanmrmustard
February 10, 2013, 09:15 AM
Quote from the link:



HOLY HELL!! They've finally figured it out :eek:

By all means, PLEASE, pack your **** and GO!!!! Preferably to England or China. I'm sure you'll love it there.
Hell yes!!!

I'm going to wager crime in America goes down drastically when the Libs leave.

Because, all the gun toting criminals will follow them: they'll be easy prey no matter where they go!

blaisenguns
February 10, 2013, 12:16 PM
Yes, David Frost. There was actually a recent dramatization of the Frost - Nixon interviews, the process of the making of them rather than the interviews themselves, that was excellent. Can't recall who played Frost and Nixon off the top of my head.

Frank Langela played Nixon and he was phenomenal, and some British actor played frost he was ok.

gym
February 10, 2013, 12:40 PM
No there is a nother one in between, must be 50's or 60's now, also did a few movies, OK Dennis Miller. It came back to me. He will be next I bet

Guy B. Meredith
February 10, 2013, 08:04 PM
Okay, I decided I had to reply to Dick's comments. I hope the last paragraph gets by the NYT moderator--it is pretty well subdued compared to the original. I did run it by the THR staff before posting here.


Pretentious pseudo intellectualism and verbal flatulence seem to be a high art here.

Whether this conversation demonizing firearms owners is in ringing academic tones or uneducated Southern drawl coming through white sheets the bottom line is the same: stereotyping, irrational fears, prejudice and willful ignorance. Bigotry. Firearms control laws have a fine history of racism and the current suggestions for laws that punish the responsible 99.5% for the sins of the .5% fall right in line with that history of bigotry.

The stereotypes include equating firearms with violence and decent firearms owners with depraved criminals and child molesters. The willful ignorance is of the NRA's original charter and ongoing tradition of promoting safe and responsible firearms ownership and severe punishment for criminal use. The willful ignorance is failing to have a clue about current firearms sports and the quality of people who participate.

Proposed laws such as firearms bans, registration and insurance assume guilt and put a burden on the decent 99.5% while doing nothing to control the actual criminals.

Then we have Dick's comments on the phallic symbols of firearms. (As a side note, snubbies are "in".) I wonder how Dick would deal with handling a flashlight or screwdriver.

Cosmoline
February 10, 2013, 08:29 PM
Dick Cavett is still alive?! Wow

No offense to the aged, but have you noticed how many of the anti-gun zealots are.. old? I mean really old. Worn out old. Not old-in-years-but-young-at-heart. I take it as a good sign whenever I see Frank and Dianne. Even "young" ones like Waxman are getting up there. And in his case looking more and more freakish every year.

jerkface11
February 10, 2013, 09:24 PM
I remember Carson being on when I was a kid.

Akita1
February 10, 2013, 09:46 PM
Okay, I decided I had to reply to Dick's comments. I hope the last paragraph gets by the NYT moderator--it is pretty well subdued compared to the original. I did run it by the THR staff before posting here.


Pretentious pseudo intellectualism and verbal flatulence seem to be a high art here.

Whether this conversation demonizing firearms owners is in ringing academic tones or uneducated Southern drawl coming through white sheets the bottom line is the same: stereotyping, irrational fears, prejudice and willful ignorance. Bigotry. Firearms control laws have a fine history of racism and the current suggestions for laws that punish the responsible 99.5% for the sins of the .5% fall right in line with that history of bigotry.

The stereotypes include equating firearms with violence and decent firearms owners with depraved criminals and child molesters. The willful ignorance is of the NRA's original charter and ongoing tradition of promoting safe and responsible firearms ownership and severe punishment for criminal use. The willful ignorance is failing to have a clue about current firearms sports and the quality of people who participate.

Proposed laws such as firearms bans, registration and insurance assume guilt and put a burden on the decent 99.5% while doing nothing to control the actual criminals.

Then we have Dick's comments on the phallic symbols of firearms. (As a side note, snubbies are "in".) I wonder how Dick would deal with handling a flashlight or screwdriver.
They probably won't post it; I just looked and didn't see it - never trust the NYT

Guy B. Meredith
February 10, 2013, 11:05 PM
Akita1, we'll just assume I got it in too late on a Sunday... I'll email it directly to Cavett if it does not show up.

psyopspec
February 10, 2013, 11:14 PM
if you need a more recent reference point you are too young to drive, lol

I'm 29. Don't believe I've ever heard of the guy.

ReadyontheRight
February 10, 2013, 11:19 PM
Numb-Skull. Appropriately-applied.

r1derbike
February 10, 2013, 11:23 PM
Then we have Dick's comments on the phallic symbols of firearms. (As a side note, snubbies are "in".) I wonder how Dick would deal with handling a flashlight or screwdriver.Outstanding!

Guy B. Meredith
February 12, 2013, 01:49 AM
The commentary was posted today.

michaelbsc
February 12, 2013, 03:36 AM
I'm 29. Don't believe I've ever heard of the guy.

He's pulling your leg. Jay Leno - Carson's replacement (twice I think) - is already 62 years old. Born in 1950.

Johnny Carson was born in 1925 and Jack Parr 1918.

Like I said, if everyone was old like us the whole damned species would die out.

HorseSoldier
February 12, 2013, 04:22 AM
Dick Cavett escaped from whatever Haitian prison they send washed up celebrities to when they fade from view? Well I'll be . . .

Maybe they can up the ante next and get Rich Little to do an anti-gun piece.

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