Read this horrible MSNBC article


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somerandomguy
February 10, 2013, 08:37 PM
http://openchannel.nbcnews.com/_news/2013/02/10/16912259-death-takes-no-holiday-tracking-gun-violence-over-one-long-january-weekend?lite&ocid=msnhp&pos=1

I vomited. I love the fact that they have to go all the way back to January to find the worst weekend. This is the most blatant gun control push I have ever seen from MSNBC. EVER. They aren't even trying to hide it anymore.

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Acelaw
February 10, 2013, 08:49 PM
the article does mention that the vast majority of these killings didn't involve assault weapons and that high capacity mags weren't really a factor.

somerandomguy
February 10, 2013, 08:54 PM
Whereabouts? Must've been hidden as I didn't see it. If it does it still doesn't excuse the fact that they were making it out to be a worse problem than it really is by including suicides and accidents in there.

browneu
February 10, 2013, 08:55 PM
Really, no dot over NYC, Chicago, or Las Angeles but one over Columbus Ohio?

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somerandomguy
February 10, 2013, 08:59 PM
Really, no dot over NYC, Chicago, or Las Angeles but one over Columbus Ohio?

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Well it's only over 1 weekend AKA 2-3 days depending on the start date. Maybe there were no murders in those cities over that weekend. I'm just as shocked as you are, don't worry. Maybe the recent rise in murders is all the gangbanging little punk thugs making up for it? Or MSNBC is trying to hide the murders that did happen so they can go "See? Gun control works!"

Grassman
February 10, 2013, 09:09 PM
State controlled media pukes!

NHCraigT
February 10, 2013, 09:11 PM
Long article, and a lot of different writers involved = far from being unbiased. Totally part of the agenda.

browneu
February 10, 2013, 10:04 PM
Well it's only over 1 weekend AKA 2-3 days depending on the start date. Maybe there were no murders in those cities over that weekend. I'm just as shocked as you are, don't worry. Maybe the recent rise in murders is all the gangbanging little punk thugs making up for it? Or MSNBC is trying to hide the murders that did happen so they can go "See? Gun control works!"

I agree, something doesn't ad up. Especially, the number Chicago produces.

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wgp
February 10, 2013, 10:50 PM
Note that most references in the article are to people killed "by" handguns. I always thought it was "by" people. Also, no apparent effort to note the number of people in the same period killed in cars, or by drunk drivers, or accidental falls, or drownings, or were killed with other forms of weapons. No effort to determine how many people enjoyed hunting or other forms of recreational shooting during the same period without death or injury (my guess it was at least hundreds of thousands). No reference to how many people prevented or stopped an assault or other crime by displaying a gun without having to fire it. No reference to how many people legally carried a concealed (or open carried) gun without incident or accident.

My undergrad major was journalism, and I doubt any editor I ever worked with would have allowed that story to be printed with such gaping holes in it, unless there was deliberate effort at a biased story.

happygeek
February 10, 2013, 11:02 PM
The article states they got their #s purely from media sources. So a young blonde woman being killed by her boyfriend in OR makes the news, whereas a bunch of gangland homicides in Chicago don't, and hence aren't in MSNBC's story.

mokin
February 10, 2013, 11:14 PM
This is what we're up against. The media wants as much knee jerk mileage as they can get per story. The antis don't have the infrastructure we do to communicate what bills are being proposed or heard on the scale we do. They just have MSNBC, Huffuington Post, Slate, etc. to do thier dirty work. That being said, gun control isn't as huge of an issue for as many liberals/progressives as it is for us. They are much more interested in women's rights, immigration, health care, poverty, etc. If we stay focused and keep the pressure on our representatives, we still have a chance.

foghornl
February 11, 2013, 08:39 AM
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Trent
February 11, 2013, 08:54 AM
Hell, I'm going against the grain here - but I *LIKE* that article.

It's probably the most compelling article ever put together for why we need Concealed Carry!

:)

Carl N. Brown
February 11, 2013, 09:07 AM
The NAS 2004 "Firearms and Violence: A Critical Review" NAP 2005 noted in the section on gun buybacks that in year 2003, handgun homicide involved 1 out of 10,000 handguns. So on a typical weekend, handgun homicide would represent much less than 1 out of 1,000,000 handguns. (The handgun homicide numbers and rates have gone down since 2003.)

Why won't they show what the owners of the tens of millions of handguns not used in gun violence did with their guns that weekend?

TenDriver
February 11, 2013, 09:11 AM
I love how under the self defense category they label the bullet receiver the victim. Sorry, but in a self defense shooting the victim is the shooter.

llll1lll1
February 11, 2013, 09:22 AM
Noliberty's response was epic

MedWheeler
February 11, 2013, 09:40 AM
I read it, too. I find it difficult to believe Chicago wasn't omitted on purpose; there is no way they could not have found mention of at least one of the several shootings that took place there that weekend. The article certainly had an agenda, and would not have been produced if not for the current political situation.
That being said, some of the cases were indeed tragic. In fact, probably all of them were tragic to at least someone.

Trent
February 11, 2013, 10:17 AM
That being said, some of the cases were indeed tragic. In fact, probably all of them were tragic to at least someone.

I would think that in every case where someone dies unexpectedly, that is true.

December 29 2010 I got a call from my grandfather that my uncle had a bad accident, family was being called in to the hospital. I had a 22 minute drive, jumped in my wife's truck and went.

Three blocks from the hospital I got another call from my grandfather saying my uncle had passed away. I could hear my aunt screaming in the background.

I didn't even SEE the car that I turned in front of when pulling in to the ER parking lot. Did a lot of damage to my wife's SUV.

I asked the police officer that responded to give me more information about what happened to my uncle, he said "I'll get you out of here so you can be with your family as soon as possible."

I get released from the accident scene and walk in to the ER. Ask the front counter where my family was, they pointed me over to a private conference room door.

I walked in, and see my aunt, grandfather, and other family members sitting in the room crying. My aunt is covered in blood up to her elbows.

Turns out, my uncle had shot himself accidentally.

So, yes, these things are horribly traumatic to the family.

Eventually, life goes on.

Akita1
February 11, 2013, 10:43 AM
Hell, I'm going against the grain here - but I *LIKE* that article.

It's probably the most compelling article ever put together for why we need Concealed Carry!

:)
+1 Trent. Did you read the comments? Apparently a lot of RKBA folks read MSNBC too!

Trent
February 11, 2013, 11:48 AM
Even though their articles have an anti-gun slant, I follow both CNN and MSNBC news feeds.

Speaking of my dearly departed Uncle, one of his favorite sayings was from an old song, "the hypnotized never lie."

I consider both news feeds a primary intelligence source for RKBA enemy activity. :)

Hokkmike
February 11, 2013, 12:34 PM
MSNBC is known for misleading editing, etc. They should be reminded often about how this effects their credibility.

somerandomguy
February 11, 2013, 01:26 PM
I read it, too. I find it difficult to believe Chicago wasn't omitted on purpose; there is no way they could not have found mention of at least one of the several shootings that took place there that weekend. The article certainly had an agenda, and would not have been produced if not for the current political situation.
That being said, some of the cases were indeed tragic. In fact, probably all of them were tragic to at least someone.
To someone, sure. But when 2 two thugs waste each other, it's kinda hard for anyone to actually shed a tear. Not saying I don't care or anything, but that's just the way it is. It certainly beats having a little kid shot off his/her bicycle on the sidewalk in a drive-by, that's for sure.

Deltaboy
February 11, 2013, 01:30 PM
Shameful behavior by the Media.

MedWheeler
February 11, 2013, 08:32 PM
To someone, sure. But when 2 two thugs waste each other, it's kinda hard for anyone to actually shed a tear.

Not really. They always seem to have family that does. However, the tragedies for those families' loved ones begins long before their deaths.

7mmsavage
February 11, 2013, 10:15 PM
the article does mention that the vast majority of these killings didn't involve assault weapons and that high capacity mags weren't really a factor.
At first I thought that was a good thing. Then I realize, that's just another way for them to say that all guns are bad, not just "military style, assault, high cap. Etc etc."

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