Had someone ask me for Primmers yesterday


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grubbylabs
February 11, 2013, 01:13 PM
It took all I had not to laugh at him. And the only reason why I did not was because he is somewhat of a friend.

Like most of you all the shelve around me are empty and I only have about 1500 large pistol primmers. The real depressing thing is that I just got about 2,000 pieces of once fired 45 brass from a LE practice range, all Federal brass. That means I am at least 500 short on primmers:(

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hueyville
February 11, 2013, 01:48 PM
I have purchased primers three times for people that asked and on all three occasions said persons failed to complete the deal and take possession. At least with my quarterly stocking order arriving on schedule I am super heavy on primers. All sizes on shelves local except small rifle. Have to drive 30 minutes south or 45 minutes west to get those. My area is super fat with gun shops and the run has not been big enough on components to completely empty everyone's shelves.

kingmt
February 11, 2013, 02:01 PM
I'd give a friend my last dolor of they needed it.

clocker
February 11, 2013, 02:45 PM
Yup. I won't be stupid with giving, but have offered a number of friends who are new at reloading to help them out by giving them primers and powder. I don't have a lot of it, but the friendships are worth more to me than the components. On the other hand I know that these guys will use and appreciate it vs try and resell or waste.

Hmm sounds similar to my thoughts about welfare and helping people in general.

hueyville
February 11, 2013, 03:01 PM
A real friend and I would have split that down the middle with no questions, his decision how to pay me back or not. A somewhat friend would have given him 500 and said to replace them when he found some, a stranger and I would have sold them 500 at current market expecting it may be the beginning of a new friendship. I gave a friend 1,000 CCI #34's a couple weeks ago because they were specific to his need and he did not have time to drive to Athens. I may never hear about them again, he may hand me a replacement box some day, or he may come pull my wife's truck out of the ditch one rainy/snowy night. I don't care. Its only a few primers.

ArchAngelCD
February 11, 2013, 04:19 PM
It took all I had not to laugh at him. And the only reason why I did not was because he is somewhat of a friend.

Like most of you all the shelve around me are empty and I only have about 1500 large pistol primmers. The real depressing thing is that I just got about 2,000 pieces of once fired 45 brass from a LE practice range, all Federal brass. That means I am at least 500 short on primmers:(
1500 isn't very many, too bad we don't live closer or I would get some to you and I wouldn't laugh at you either. I have more LPP than I can use in the foreseeable future. (a little over 10,000)

leeggen
February 11, 2013, 04:34 PM
Hope your area doesn't get hit like Tn. Can not find a spp in 200 miles. We live in mid state. Shelves have lpp srp and lrp, no smp. An don't seem to know when any will be in.

mayassa
February 11, 2013, 04:37 PM
Grubbylabs check your inbox, I could use some brass

grubbylabs
February 11, 2013, 04:38 PM
If I had surplus I would sell freely to him, my cost not current. If he were family I would give freely. While this guy is somewhat of a friend, he is the last minute kind of guy, always waits till the last minute to do stuff.

tightgroup tiger
February 11, 2013, 04:59 PM
I have a lot of primers also, counted them last night, somewhere around 13,000.

That might sound good but when there are no bullets to buy what good are they.

I have about 4k bullets but when they are gone that will be it until this crazyness is over.

Can't even buy a bullet mold now, I'm cutting back from shooting once a week to once a month and when that runs out, well, I won't be the only one sitting at home wishing.

I am going back to shooting lead but the lead bullet suppliers are getting into the same problem as the jacketed and plated companies are in now. Just placed an order last night for another 1500 9mm that are 6wks out for delivery. Another few weeks and that will dry up also.

Reefinmike
February 11, 2013, 07:11 PM
It never hurts to help a fellow out, they may come back to help you in the future. Bartering has been a very helpful tool as of recently. I recently sold my AR for a very fair price in this market(only made a couple hundred bucks vs the $1500 others were making), the guy didnt have all the money I was hoping for so he offered 4 boxes of ppu 380. At first I refused the offer, but got to thinking and realized i could very easily recoup the extra $60 so I put em up on armslist. the guy I sold them to was ecstatic to get the ammo as he was out of ammo and his wife was taking her ccw class a few days later. I wanted to even out my primer stash as I had more srp than I needed and not enough lpp to last me through to the next PV order so I put an ad up and within minutes I had someone wanting to swap. He was about 45 minutes away and offered to do all the driving which saved me some coin so as he was driving, I rounded up about 50 empty 223 casings, a can of varget with about 2.5 ounces of powder left and 25 loaded rounds that I set aside because they were too short in oal and told him the powder load but instructed him to not trust me and pull em. he was thrilled that he could finally get some ammo for his AR loaded up

back when 223 brass was going for $200+ I made a chunk of change by cleaning up the range and selling them locally for $110/k someone I ended up selling 3500 to lived a street down from the house I grew up in. he was happy to have brass for a good price and invited me out to shoot his 500 s&w snubby next time he hit the range.

not hating on you grumulkin because I dont know how much you shoot and if it were me shooting about a thousand a month, id be weary on giving up a third of my stock to someone who may be ungrateful about it.

grubbylabs
February 11, 2013, 08:03 PM
I know what you mean I just traded another friend 100 223 bullets for my 45 brass I just got. Neither one of us were to worried about making any thing on it, and in fact I offered the bullets before he even asked for any thing in return for the brass, he was just going to give the brass to me. I am sure I came out a head, but if no one has 223 bullets and you need some...IF he asks for more I would probably give them to him just because.

Like I said the guy who wanted the primers is a last minute kind of guy. He is nice and I enjoy being around him and helping him out, but when I only have 1500 to load 2,000, it does not make sense to give away.

GLOOB
February 11, 2013, 08:32 PM
I have a lot of primers also, counted them last night, somewhere around 13,000.

That might sound good but when there are no bullets to buy what good are they.

I have about 4k bullets but when they are gone that will be it until this crazyness is over.
If you're willing to shoot cast, then don't worry. If it comes down to it, plenty of casters will trade bullets for primers, or even lend you a mold.

hueyville
February 11, 2013, 08:48 PM
I just left a LGS after hours visit. He let me sit at his computer which was logged into two of his distributors sites. I got to look up every thing of interest and see actual availability and price to a moderate size retailer. For example his price for 8 pound kegs of Unique was 98.00, primers 16.00 standard to 24.00 match. Everything I personally put in the cart and pushed the buy button said would go out before end of week UPS ground. There were shipping and hazmat but split up between lots of items was not bad. He is so busy and tired he told me just to do my own order and gave me a budget to stock what I thought he needed to add into inventory. These guys are tired as I have not written a shop order in 20 years for anyone. Bottom line is his distributor prices are only up 5 to 11 percent of pre panic on components. The real problem is demand has exceeded the industries employees ability to physically load and ship boxes. All the manufacturers are still making the same stuff with the same materials. Nothing has been outlawed or taxed extra yet. We are the ones creating the shortage by buying too fast. Nothing more than that. I just saw with my own eyes real inventory at distribution level. They don't want to hire and train new employees knowing all panics end. Thus it is just a matter of demand slowing a bit. That said I have to call a few friends see if they want an extra keg of Unique or other I ordered.

wankerjake
February 11, 2013, 08:53 PM
I had a friend mention to me today he needs a few small pistol to get started. He's a beginner and was just starting to gather equipment when this mess hit. I'm glad I can help him out, but mostly am glad I stocked up so I don't have to worry much when things like this happen.

KansasSasquatch
February 11, 2013, 09:03 PM
hueyville it sounds like I need to make a drive out to where you're at and haul home what I want to shoot for the year. I have a buddy at Ft. Benning I could visit while I'm out that way.

LUCKYDAWG13
February 11, 2013, 09:14 PM
out by my i can get all but SPP i cast my own so im good on boolits
as for powder i use a lot of Bullseye so 8 lbs will go a long ways

Otto
February 11, 2013, 09:42 PM
I gave away 350 pieces of 45 brass, a pound of 231, #3 shellholder and 200 FMJ bullets to a young paramedic learning to reload. Strangely, he was able to buy LP primers at our local Cabelas but everything else was sold out.

ZeSpectre
February 11, 2013, 09:45 PM
At present I have precisely the same amount of primers and brass. I have no idea how that worked out. I admit that the latest run on materials caught me short when it shouldn't have (mostly powder in my case) because I had several jugs and discovered the ones I thought were full...were not <sigh>.

hueyville
February 11, 2013, 09:46 PM
KansasSasquatch, I am working on building a stock through all my sources to put enough in a pile to help folk that apparently don't have the resources to do it. I ordered 3 kegs of Unique this evening. I already have 1 full keg and a partial and my fall stocking order placed in December has another shipping in fall. So these 3 kegs are going to be for some friends that can't pay the inflated single pound prices the gougers are charging. My guy is paying average 7% more than pre panic and his shelf prices are up 15%. He is still cheaper than anyone else in town. When the store across the street is charging 42 per k on primers, he is fair at 33. Before panic shelf price was 29. Good for him making a few bucks to get him buy when market normalizes. Business is tough on average and this type opportunity only happens every couple of administrations. His HP-38 went from 16 per pound to 18 then 20 and now 22. People keeps buying and across the street same powder is 26. I am working a deal which may land me 10,000 total 62 grain .224 bulk copper jacket bullets. If it works, all are going to shooters at my real cost and to hoarders that never considered reloading till now, whatever they offer to pay. That will finance my helping real folk out.

I have sold 250,000 22 lr past 2 months. Some guys price marked on box. A few I gave a full brick as a gift cause I knew they were money tight. Then some, I sold at 5 times purchased price. Some folk deserve that. It is all actually evening out to a degree. I am able to put extra stock in inventory without investing my money and two new rifles. I did sell several SKS's but only to people that offered to pay a specific price. I did not counter them. They made offer, I handed rifle and watched their eyes light up when I handed them a full tin of ammo without them asking. That said, I made good money but they got better deal than expected or could get elsewhere with the 600 round ammo bonus. I have 90 bucks in each rifle with the ammo included. When SKS's went over a 100 dollar bill never bought another. So the deal is I give away freely to some, charge my invested price to others, then some pay 6 to 10 times what I have in the product. When a man who drives a Lincoln version of a Ford truck, lives in a million dollar home, wears a Rolex, etc, brags about it all and is trying to throw money at his panic till he is happy then fine. A buddy living paycheck to paycheck may get a free ammo can of ammunition because of rich last minute panic buyer. It's my version of Robin Hood, take from evil rich and give to the poor.

grubbylabs
February 11, 2013, 10:34 PM
I don't fault the shops and people who charge what they do for stuff. It is basic supply and demand. Its how we conservatives hope things will work. If its not likely that they will have more to sell for a while, then it stands to reason they need to charge a little more so they don't hurt so much when they don't have any thing to sell.

If I have stuff to share I share, but any one who reloads understands that a thousand primers is really not that much. If I had more primers than brass then I would share some.

I have been given much from members of this forum and have offered some in return. I plan on giving more to help out where I can.

ColtPythonElite
February 11, 2013, 10:42 PM
I ordered two large orders of primers last year. Some guys didn't want in on the bulk order because they didn't want to layout the cash...Too bad for them now.

dragon813gt
February 11, 2013, 10:53 PM
If that's recent production Federal brass. It's small primer and not large primer. I hope you have both just in case :)

I've stopped answering questions about reloading. And told close friends to stop telling others that I reload. I've had it with the stupid questions. And I've really had it with requests to load ammo for others. They used to tell me that I was going to blow myself up. Now they want me to load for them for free. After explaining the legal reasons I can't load for others they get mad and accuse me of not helping them out in their time of need. I hate people sometimes.


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grubbylabs
February 11, 2013, 11:00 PM
Nope all large pistol primers.

twice barrel
February 11, 2013, 11:09 PM
A friend would never expect nor want you to give them a thing; only a leech. A friend would be more than happy to pay you and pay you on time if you went to the effort to order especially on their behalf.

hueyville
February 12, 2013, 09:08 PM
You do have to wonder about whether sharing or hoarding is the right thing to do. Post in a recently closed topic says maximum output for U.S. is around a billion rounds per week. DHS just ordered 1.4 billion rounds say some sources. Other sources quoting large orders by military, police agencies, etc. Let's say the g-men were to order three months total output while legislation was proposed, debated, bargained over then passed. That would keep the market short to all but us serious about acquisition. So I don't see them taking ammo away nor components. But I do see stiff user taxes in our future. Just thinking out load and all supposition. But what if prices increased by 30% to 50% by the end of this session. How many new marksmen will grow up in a society where owning the gun is o.k. but the ammo costs keep most people from regular use of. How many will lose interest if they can't afford to shoot. How many of the next generations will take up the hobby. Got to be smarter people than me thinking stuff up even more devious than I am capable of. That said, still seeing orders go through, stuff in shipment and other arriving daily. I am squared away for any eventuality. But how many are not. By the tone of the panic most are not but the number is rising. Anyway the g-men have figured out a short term solution to jump starting at least one segment of the economy. Are we allowed to suppose in here? If not, I don't want to be a thread locker...

BullfrogKen
February 13, 2013, 12:48 AM
I've stopped answering questions about reloading. And told close friends to stop telling others that I reload. I've had it with the stupid questions. And I've really had it with requests to load ammo for others. They used to tell me that I was going to blow myself up. Now they want me to load for them for free. After explaining the legal reasons I can't load for others they get mad and accuse me of not helping them out in their time of need. I hate people sometimes.


I haven't gone to that extreme.

I've told co-workers who mention I load my own ammo to others that I load ammo for myself. I compete, and even if I didn't, I'm not in the business of loading ammo for someone else. I have a lawn to mow and dinner to cook just like everyone else.

However, if you want to get started in the past time, I will help you.

But that means they have to take an interest. Buy the equipment, and I'll happily bring a hundred primers over with a pound of powder to show them the ropes. Or come with me to the local FFL when I buy components, and buy some with me. Or get in on my bulk order.


Those who do, I help get started. Those who don't . . . well my time is valuable, too.

kingmt
February 13, 2013, 08:44 AM
Great statement. I feel the same way. I do load for one friend & would for a couple others also of asked. I've made the same offer more times then I can count but never been taken up on it. Most of the people that have asked me tolload for then have offered to pay me but I'm not going down that road. If anyone would take me up on using my tools I'd be glad to take them to there house & say them up.

Trent
February 13, 2013, 09:58 AM
I have had friends I haven't heard from in years call me up lately.

"Hey Trent, you got any 223 ammo? (or magazines, or whatever)"

Or, totally RANDOM strangers calling.

"Hey Trent, this is {insert name}, I'm a friend of {insert name} and he said you would be the guy to talk to."

(That one actually scares me a little, as word is getting out that I'm a go-to guy for guns - I've been talking with my friends about this and telling them "keep your damn fool mouth shut about my personal business")

I'm selling components in one of three scenarios:

#1 They're a close friend or family member

#2 They're a politically like-minded local shooter
(Reasons for this are mine, and mine alone, but you can speculate all you want)

#3 They're a large client in my day job and I'm scoring brownie points.


Now, as far as actual RELOADING goes, I'll go so far as to sit a friend down at my bench and give them hands on practice making THEIR ammo. But once taught, it's up to them. One new reloader in particular, though, burned my phone hours up for MONTHS with questions.

11:45 PM - Ring.. ring.. "Hey Trent, it's Dave, I just loaded 100 rounds of 223 with [insert powder charge], is this safe to shoot?"

"How many times have I explained how to properly work up your loads dude? You can't just skip to the top and load 100 rounds up ... you're asking for trouble."

tightgroup tiger
February 15, 2013, 04:55 PM
If you're willing to shoot cast, then don't worry. If it comes down to it, plenty of casters will trade bullets for primers, or even lend you a mold.

Yea, I already found a company that I could order lead bullets from and ordered what I needed. I wish I knew more people in the area I live in,(haven't lived here that long) I'm sure I could help them out with something, I have about 200 lbs of lead sitting around here from my muzzleloading days and will have to look into casting my own again unless I can find someone I could trade with.

Good idea though, I will have to start paying more attention at the range I shoot at to see who is shooting what.

788Ham
February 15, 2013, 08:20 PM
I had a buddy call and ask me last evening if I'd found any primers lately. I told him no, but I haven't really had much chance to look either. He mentioned a guy down where they have a gun show frequently, I looked the place up, called this morning, told him what I needed. "Yep, got e'm both, will be leaving for the upcoming GS @ noon." I flew down, 20 mi. one way, got what I wanted, PLUS, he had some srm primers too, one I'd totally given up on! I asked about powder, "Call me at this # at 2:30 PM, its in the trailer." I flew back down, he had the powder, gave him cash, now locked away in my stash! Nothing about today except Fantastic and thank God he had what I needed. :D

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