Pump for Trap shooting


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Arizonagunrunner
February 11, 2013, 02:52 PM
I am just now getting into trap shooting. Just want to have some fun. No competition or anything like taht. Just some at ease trap shooting.
My question is:

Is my 12 ga pump good to use. I have a S&W 3000. It has has a 26in barrel with fixed IC for a choke. I am going to use 7 1/2 shot as the load.

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Hapworth
February 11, 2013, 03:00 PM
For casual use, a pump is fine for busting clays. Lots of guys have gotten very good running one for trap with a little time and practice.

Improved cylinder might be a touch open for anything you're not hitting fairly fast, but it's certainly doable.

Go out and have fun. :)

Outlaw Man
February 11, 2013, 04:28 PM
I shoot trap for fun, mostly, but I also use it as practice for the occasion when I can shoot some real birds. For rhat reason, I use my 870. I've never gotten a single weird look or comment, even with the magazine extension I'm usually too lazy to take off.

Hunterdad
February 11, 2013, 05:13 PM
I think you're going to get really frustrated shooting an IC choke. It's way to open of a choke and you'll have way less birds break. If its all you have, then roll with it, but I'd bet you'll be looking to get something with a tighter choke really soon.

throdgrain
February 11, 2013, 05:25 PM
I've never understood that. I cant see why you think you will break more clays with a tight choke than a more open choke, indeed I'd say quite the reverse.

You may get more dusted, clean breaks with a tight choke, but not more breaks generally.

I shot English sporting clays for a year or so every week with a fixed skeet choke 1100, and can't say that I missed anything through lack of choke. Lack of skill on occasion sure, but not choke :)

riverdog
February 11, 2013, 05:41 PM
True, but IC is a very open choke, good for Skeet (done that) but something a tad tighter would be better for Trap.

I started shooting Trap using a Rem 870 with a fixed full choke barrel and upgraded to a ribbed barrel with choke tubes. Dropping from Full to IM choke was a vast improvement, but more open than that would be too much IMO.

Maybe IC would work if you shot heavy hunting loads to get the shot density up. Dunno, never tried that.

Personally, if all I had was a fixed IC choke with a pump, I'd go for Skeet. The choke is right and Station 7 doubles are a blast with a pump; I've shot Skeet with that Rem 870 using 26' barrel with IC choke tube.

Hunterdad
February 11, 2013, 06:07 PM
Shooting skeet and shooting trap are very different. Trap is generally a farther distance from the bird to the shooter. The longer "shot" is in the air, it spreads out more. I started shoot trap with a MOD choke and averaged a 12-14. Bought a full choke barrel and jumped to a 17-19.
That's just my opinion from my experience.

oneounceload
February 11, 2013, 06:44 PM
From the 16 yard line, you should be fine. If you decide to get serious, you will be getting something else, like the BT-99 and a M, IM,or F will suffice as you progress and move backwards

DaleCooper51
February 11, 2013, 07:47 PM
As long as you don't let them get too far out, an IC is fine.

Shoot what you have and have fun.

StrawHat
February 12, 2013, 11:11 AM
I am not a trapshooter or even a skeet shooter (unlike our President). I thought the marks indicating choke on a barrel were merely guides, not gospel. I was under the impression that you should pattern a shotgun to see what and where it is hitting. Like I said, not a shotgunner.

Sav .250
February 12, 2013, 11:33 AM
Trap.........one at a time, no problem.

Furncliff
February 12, 2013, 12:29 PM
Arizona, I'm not an expert, I'll just pass on something that helped me. After not hitting and not hitting with my 20 ga Win pump FC, I made up a special frame and patterned the gun with several loads. All it told me was... it looks OK (40yards). Still couldn't hit. Maybe it's me not getting on the gun correctly (I had not used a shotgun in a looong time)? So I set a few birds on some scrub oak bushes so that they were at 40 yards about 4 ft of the ground and edge on, just like they were flying away. Helped me get on the gun properly and might help you decide if the IC is going to work for you.

Just a thought.

twofifty
February 12, 2013, 12:49 PM
Arizona, if you are trapshooting clays launched from an ATA sanctioned traphouse, the target's initial velocity is about 42 to 45 mph. With the open chokes, any delay in getting onto target means a more sparse pattern the target can fly through.

oneounceload
February 12, 2013, 01:58 PM
Now for some facts...

The 7-1/2 shot will, in fact, help with the range/pattern a tad

Sorry shot size has NOTHING to do with patterns, choke does. Shot size does help at distance with maintaining a higher velocity longer - but for all intended purposes, the difference is insignificant

An IC choke can break clay targets out to a distance many would not assume it could. Is it the ideal choke for trap? Not by a longshot, but i have had my best round with an 1100 in 28 gauge and a skeet choke from the 16 - I was only there to get used to a brand new gun before heading to the 5-stand and sporting. For starting out, he'll be fine. If he wants to get serious, the 32 or 34" gun with the m or IM choke will follow soon after

danoam
February 12, 2013, 02:06 PM
My shotgun of choice for pretty much everything is my 20 gauge 870 Special Field. I use a full choke tube and either 7 or 9 shot for trap.

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throdgrain
February 12, 2013, 03:09 PM
I shoot 40 yard incoming crows with IC, and used to with fixed Skeet. I suspect you are kidding yourselves my friends.

T.R.
February 12, 2013, 05:33 PM
You can spend a stack of money on a custom trap gun and still shoot poorly. Or you can practise, practise, practise with your field pump gun and have a great time while improving your scores. Most shooters prefer #8 shot.

TR

Ehtereon11B
February 12, 2013, 05:47 PM
I have gone trap shooting with a police edition 870 12ga pump many times. I get the occasional look, namely for the side shell carrier, collapsible stock and red dot. Pump is the jack of all trades for shotguns.

oneounceload
February 12, 2013, 07:39 PM
And your experience is?? I admit, I have only been shooting competitively for 35 years, so I still have a lot to learn - why don't you cite your facts?

fromtheplaines
February 12, 2013, 10:59 PM
I started with a 12g Rem 870 and it worked just fine. I have a buddy who shots a benneli nova, and he out shoots plenty of guys with much more expensive guns. In the end you need to just find something that fits you and go with it. My favorite trap gun is a stoeger uplander 20g side by side. There is just something about that gun that clicks with me.

XD 45acp
February 13, 2013, 02:14 PM
I shoot a pump for all events & yardage... 1 gun with a fixed full choke, 30" bbl.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v326/ATAShooter/Trapshooter.jpg

Here's a little chart about shotgun ballistics that helped me alot when choosing shot size... hope it helps you too;

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v326/ATAShooter/shotgun.jpg

mgkdrgn
February 13, 2013, 03:31 PM
There are several league trophies on the wall behind me I won shooting trap/skeet with my 870 pump.

The doubles were ... um ... interesting!

dbarky
February 13, 2013, 04:41 PM
I vote for the full choke on trap, based on my experience. One thing, not mentioned, is the stock. Trap guns are a bit higher at the comb, thus making the gun shoot a bit high which is perfect for a rising going away target. You might try covering the bird with the barrel just at the moment you pull the trigger. My .02

throdgrain
February 13, 2013, 05:35 PM
Yeah but why? Do you think IC has big enough holes in it's pattern at 30 yards to miss a trap target?

2@low8
February 13, 2013, 10:47 PM
You might try covering the bird with the barrel just at the moment you pull the trigger.
My .02

I am a reasonably good skeet shooter that had no opportunity to shoot trap at my skeet club. For variety we went to a range that had both skeet and trap and after shooting a few rounds of skeet I decided to shoot some trap with my skeet gun.

I screwed in my modified choke (also moved up to 1 1/8 oz of 8 shot) and after 3 rounds of 17, 17 and 18 birds a club instructor came up to me and said that he noticed that I was using my skeet gun. He said that my gun was set up the same as a field gun and if I wanted to get better scores that I should cover the birds with my barrel at the moment I pulled the trigger (keeping the gun moving still applies here) for the same reason dbarky and MattShlock mentioned. My next round was a 23... Life was good again!

XD 45acp
February 14, 2013, 01:12 PM
That's the case. A "Trap" gun is specifically designed to break clearly visible above the barrel rising birds at about 36 yards. They are damn near useless for anything else... So don't buy one if you are not dedicated to it.

Yea, my M12 is patterned at 70/30 so more shot in the pattern is above the sightline.

oneounceload
February 14, 2013, 01:20 PM
Which makes something like the new Fabarm XLR5 Velocity a neat possibility as the rib and comb are adjustable. You can make the gun shoot 90/10 or change it incrementally down to 50/50. Makes it versatile enough to be used for all of the clay games

XD 45acp
February 14, 2013, 01:44 PM
Yea, my brother has an adjustable rib on his Perazzi..... Pretty cool...

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