So this is what your supposed to do, because guns are inappropriate.


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Screamin'Eagle
February 11, 2013, 05:43 PM
http://gizmodo.com/5980520/how-to-defend-your-home-without-firearms

So, what, you think you're better than Batman? The Caped Crusader's out there protecting an entire city without packing heat but you can't defend your little abode without a gun? For shame! Here are four methods for protecting you and yours without exercising the Second Amendment.

...Improvised weapons

Why use an improvised weapon when you can use a real one? Not to mention Batman is a superhero fantasy.

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lashylash
February 11, 2013, 05:47 PM
Not to mention a billionaire with access to high end R&D toys.

Jim, West PA
February 11, 2013, 05:50 PM
I just use the force. :rolleyes:

bainter1212
February 11, 2013, 05:58 PM
I just plan on asking the home invaders to please not steal my stuff and rape my wife. Politely, of course. After all, we live in a civilized society, right?? Everyone we all meet on a day to day basis is reasonable and sane, yes??? We have to give criminals a chance, cause after all, they're people too........:rolleyes:

OpelBlitz
February 11, 2013, 06:29 PM
Not to mention it's a comic...

:rolleyes:

hey_poolboy
February 11, 2013, 06:41 PM
I have a readily swingable blunt weapon. It's made by Springfield Armory and says 1911-A1 on the side. It's heavy too. Once I bludgeon the intruder with it I can put in a mag to defend myself against the "authorities" that will come to arrest me for owning a gun and having the nerve to defend myself and my family with it as they take the perp to the hospital to be fixed on my dime so that he can then sue me because he only broke into my home to take stuff, not hurt me.....

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Rocketmedic
February 11, 2013, 07:00 PM
Screamin' Eagle, I'm glad I'm a signature contributor!

My "improvised weapon" is the bayonet on the end of my Mosin. I just identified my precise stab point with the muzzle flash.

BSnyder
February 11, 2013, 07:19 PM
My "improvised weapon" is the bayonet on the end of my Mosin. I just identified my precise stab point with the muzzle flash.

I really don't even want to imagine touching off a Mosin in a house.

Ky Larry
February 11, 2013, 07:20 PM
I have a monitored alarm system, outside motion detector lighting, two attack trained Yorkies, and I keep all doors and windows locked. Also, I keep a Winchester 12ga Home Defender loaded with buckshot under my side of the bed and my better half keeps a Colt Det. Spl. .38 on her night stand.This is how we do it. I couldn't care less what libtards do.

12gaugeTim
February 11, 2013, 07:22 PM
Oh wow.

I'm used to stupid people. There are a lot of stupid people. But this is on a whole new level.

Is it bad to write an article about how to protect your home with particular focus on the non lethal? No. Is it bad to chastise people for using a gun? Is that a question that even needs answering?? Maybe the author was born without self preservation tendencies, but that doesn't mean he should endanger the lives of others by talking to them like they have the fighting skills of a DC superhero.

If going toe-to-toe with a potentially drug-crazed home invader while armed with little more than a large stick and some adrenaline doesn't seem like a situation likely to work out in your favor, ranged chemical weapons like pepper spray, mace, or bear repellent can help you even the odds.

He admits that his self defense advise is bunk, and then suggests "evening the odds" by adding a ranged weapon.. You guessed it! Mace! Because mace is definitely going to stop a home invader so high he can't even feel pain.

somerandomguy
February 11, 2013, 07:22 PM
Suprised they didn't advocate for putting up gun free zone stickers. :rolleyes:

EBK
February 11, 2013, 07:25 PM
"ranged chemical weapons like pepper spray, mace, or bear repellent can help you even the odds."

Umm I am not using any of those indoors.

"You should avoid excessively long or thin weapons like bo staves or kendo swords as they will inhibit your movements in the close quarters of your apartment"

Does he realize a baseball bat is just as long as a Kendo Stick? Yet he reccomends a baseball bat.

Brilliant!!!!!!!!

sota
February 11, 2013, 07:33 PM
I love seeing articles like this. it reminds me to dry fire and do another "walk through" of my house.

Yelovitz_503
February 11, 2013, 07:35 PM
By the time I got to the end of this article I still couldn't tell if he was being serious... I like how he admits that home security systems simply alert people something has happened, they don't actually prevent anything or have direct response capabilities. It just boils down to some people choosing to protect themselves and others choosing to trust other people to protect them... personally I'm in the first camp.

I'm all for helping your fellow man, but I absolutely refuse to rely on someone else to be there when I need them and I'm far more comfortable having the option to help myself.

I like my chances with a gun, thank you.

EDIT: I also think it's ridiculous how people don't want to acknowledge the deterrent effect of a gun. Any burglar in a house is going to leave a hell of a lot faster if he hears a 12 gauge being pumped down the hall versus hearing some little yap-dog sniffing him begging for a treat.

Stress_Test
February 11, 2013, 07:36 PM
Okay, any time someone cites a comic book as a basis for their serious argument, they've automatically lost credibility. :rolleyes:

Course I've seen similar "logical" thinking before... a while back, regarding the women-in-combat issue, someone stated that women can be effective in combat because the sniper in Full Metal Jacket was a girl! :rolleyes:


And these people vote?!

somerandomguy
February 11, 2013, 07:51 PM
Okay, any time someone cites a comic book as a basis for their serious argument, they've automatically lost credibility. :rolleyes:

Course I've seen similar "logical" thinking before... a while back, regarding the women-in-combat issue, someone stated that women can be effective in combat because the sniper in Full Metal Jacket was a girl! :rolleyes:


And these people vote?!
Yeah, if superheroes were so great then why has Phoenix Jones gotten beat up repeatedly? Hehehe

sniper5
February 11, 2013, 07:51 PM
"Okay, any time someone cites a comic book as a basis for their serious argument, they've automatically lost credibility. "

THIS!!!!!

12gaugeTim
February 11, 2013, 07:54 PM
I wonder if Timmy wrote that article?

So his legacy lives on... Timmy was actually fairly logical in most approaches and was willing to listen to reason. This author is on a different tier.

Solo
February 11, 2013, 07:58 PM
So, what, you think you're better than Batman? The Caped Crusader's out there protecting an entire city without packing heat but you can't defend your little abode without a gun? For shame! Here are four methods for protecting you and yours without exercising the Second Amendment.
Batman is a genius with decades of martial arts training, unlimited wealth, wonderful toys, and a traumatized psyche that drives him to beat criminals to a bloody pulp night after night. I don't think anyone else is.

With a sense of smell 100,000 times more sensitive and hearing range four times that of a human's, not to mention superior low-light visibility, dogs make for wonderful intruder early warning systems. And even if you opt for something as small and unintimidating as a Bichon Frisse, its high-pitched yipping will easily rouse even the deepest sleeper and ward off all but the most determined burglars.
Wait. When did Batman have dogs? Wasn't that Superman's thing?

He admits that his self defense advise is bunk, and then suggests "evening the odds" by adding a ranged weapon.. You guessed it! Mace! Because mace is definitely going to stop a home invader so high he can't even feel pain.
Should have suggested supplementing the Mace with an actual mace; 1d8 piercing and bludgeoning damage works great to deter aggression.

Course I've seen similar "logical" thinking before... a while back, regarding the women-in-combat issue, someone stated that women can be effective in combat because the sniper in Full Metal Jacket was a girl!
Now if he had talked about female Soviet snipers and pilots during WW2 on the other hand...

miller.lyte
February 11, 2013, 08:09 PM
I am not entirely convinced the article was written seriously. The writing style, for one, is on par with an 8th grader's. Actually, I'd rather just believe it's a joke, anyway. :banghead:

I could get on board with the article if it was more along the lines of "what else you can do to supplement your security in addition to firearms," though.

bobmcd
February 11, 2013, 08:19 PM
"ranged chemical weapons"

My ranged chemical weapon dispenses lead.

somerandomguy
February 11, 2013, 08:24 PM
Fake and lame. The person who wrote that article HAS to be a troll or someone who thinks it's possible to do the matrix and dodge bullets. NOBODY can be that stupid unless they are related to Chris Mathews.

ZeSpectre
February 11, 2013, 08:30 PM
Layers of protection
LAYERS
with one of those layers being my long distance 0.357" hole-punch.

Nickel Plated
February 11, 2013, 08:39 PM
Besides the anti-gun slant, I find it to be a useful article. Many people make the gun the only part of their home defense plan. When in reality there are many other aspects that should come into play way before the gun does.

The whole Batman thing is silly though. Kinda points to the antis delusion when they talk about Batman like he's an actual person "out there, protecting a whole city" Sure I don't need guns, I'll just use my giant mech-suit to fight the bad guys like in <insert favorite robot anime here>
Apparently me using a gun is horrible and immoral while blasting through a city in a tank and a motorcycle equipped with cannons is totally cool.

I really don't even want to imagine touching off a Mosin in a house.

Upside is you'll only have to endure it for one shot. Won't be much of a house left after that nuclear explosion of a muzzle-blast. Plus if you miss you'll both be deaf and blind so that fight is pretty much over :p

HOOfan_1
February 11, 2013, 08:56 PM
I am not entirely convinced the article was written seriously.

Pretty sure the first line of it wasn't written seriously. I have read a lot of tech sites over the past few years. HardOCP, Dailytech, anandtech. The users and in the case of HardOCP, the administrator are usually pretty pro gun, or if not pro gun they are very Libertarian and believe in all the amendments. HardOCP is run by some guys who are as fanatical about their guns as they are about their tech.

Dnaltrop
February 11, 2013, 08:59 PM
I can't wait for his follow up article " How to clean up an indoor jumbo-size Bear mace discharge" after his dog alerts at the front window and he trips over a footstool.

ShamboPyro
February 11, 2013, 09:01 PM
Has anyone else realized that batman gets his ass kicked in EVERY movie before getting the bad guy?

Spdracr39
February 11, 2013, 09:10 PM
I would just as soon shoot them as try to hit them with a bat.

JRH6856
February 11, 2013, 09:32 PM
The guy has some good ideas. I'm going for the moat with crocodiles. :scrutiny:

mljdeckard
February 11, 2013, 09:33 PM
Note my signature line.

jbkebert
February 11, 2013, 09:34 PM
In an emergency I will grab my hand held wireless device for safety. It was made by Kimber and says .45acp on the barrel.

mljdeckard
February 11, 2013, 09:35 PM
*in Sheldon voice*

"I'm Batman!!"

mokin
February 11, 2013, 09:56 PM
"Gun free zone" stickers.... I like that.

Texan Scott
February 12, 2013, 12:30 AM
If I toss a lit stick of dynamite down the hall, does it count as a ranged weapon?

RaceM
February 12, 2013, 12:51 AM
Time to clean the rust off the cavalry saber, I guess. And the bear traps.

RetiredUSNChief
February 12, 2013, 02:02 AM
"Buy a home security system"

I have a home security system. It's called door locks, window locks, exterior lights, attentive neighbors, a dog, a phone, and various impliments of destruction including (but not limited to) such things as baseball bats, kitchen cutlery, various hand and power tools, and (of course) my guns.


"Fortify your perimeter"

Done, as part of the above.


"Get a cute dog and an ugly stick"

Done. The dog is a black Pug. A sensitive alarm system and an utterly deadly trip hazard in the dark of night.

I've got three kids. There are planety of sticks and clubs around the house in the form of various sporting goods and...well, sticks and clubs.

Saying edged weapons is a "definate no-no" is absolutely moronic. ANY weapon of opportunity is better than none and I'll not turn down anything in time of need.


"Yes in the face"

No, you moron. I don't do chemical defense like mace and pepper spray in a closed area like a house. That's stupid in my opinion. The last thing I want to do is incapacitate myself at the same time. I suppose it has it's place, but I don't put stock in it under these circumstances.


As a "replacement" for one's guananteed legal right to keep and bear arms and to use them in self-defense, I find this article to be stupid in the extreme.

As a logical, common sense extention of being prepared via a layered system of home defense, which also includes passive defense measures, it's great.

pockets
February 12, 2013, 07:03 AM
Wait. When did Batman have dogs? Wasn't that Superman's thing?
There have been several over the decades.....'Ace' the Bat-Hound started in the 1950's.


I can't wait for his follow up article " How to clean up an indoor jumbo-size Bear mace discharge"
I can't wait for his posthumous follow-up article "How to clean up blood from the carpet after my funeral".
He's welcome to use whatever defensive tool he prefers....and I'll use the tool I prefer.
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foghornl
February 12, 2013, 07:44 AM
My favorite 'Impact Weapon" is the the butt end of my US Rifle Cal .30 M1, followed very closely by the butt end of my M-44 Mosin-Nagant

Manco
February 12, 2013, 11:43 AM
Pretty sure the first line of it wasn't written seriously.

Undoubtedly, but what does it mean? I'm not even sure how to interpret the first line: "So, what, you think you're better than Batman?" :confused: Well, the truth is that I'm not nearly as good at ninjutsu and obtaining nonexistent (in real life) high-tech equipment as Batman, which is precisely why I need a gun more than he does (not that he couldn't use one or ten himself). If I thought I were better than him, then maybe I'd (foolishly) avoid using guns, too.

Keeping the latter in mind, perhaps the writer of this piece is supposing that readers do think that they're better than Batman, and if so, then we wouldn't need to use firearms. :scrutiny: This interpretation would actually make the article pro-gun, while showing us alternative means by which to defend ourselves (useful because some of these can be layered). While it is obviously intended for humor, I'm suggesting that the first line could actually be calling out those who refuse to use guns.

jbrown50
February 12, 2013, 12:27 PM
Obviously the author meant this to be more satirical than anything else.

If we could choreograph life like a movie or tv show then there's a lot of things we wouldn't need (or have) besides firearms.

It just epitomizes the kind of fantasy land most antis prescribe to.

Fred in Wisc
February 12, 2013, 01:24 PM
Solo- old school cool props for the 1d8 of mace damage!

fastbolt
February 12, 2013, 01:28 PM
I leave the tech-savvy blogs to the younger folks, myself, so I'd never have seen the linked opinion piece.

FWIW, since both of my 30's-something kids are either in the tech field, or married to someone involved in it, I still manage to keep abreast of what they & their friends & co-workers think about various current topics. I enjoy seeing them work out and develop their own opinions and use their own reasoning abilities.

Interestingly enough, it seems the desire to own firearms is as strong among their generation as it was among mine. I'm always getting calls or having someone among their friends ask me for information about some firearm or other that they'd like to buy.

Naturally, not everyone's learning and reasoning curve is without some occasional bumps ...but on the other hand, there are just so many folks of all age groups that really are better off not availing themselves of the opportunity and right to own firearms. :scrutiny:

Coop45
February 12, 2013, 01:31 PM
Isn't jumping out from behind the door and shouting, "BOO" still an effective way to scare off home invaders?:D

GojuBrian
February 12, 2013, 01:32 PM
That's a pretty hard one to dispute....I mean batman can do it for gimmeneys sake........ :rolleyes:

MTMilitiaman
February 12, 2013, 01:40 PM
That settles it! I've seen the light. Instead of the Mossberg 12 gauge under my bed, my plan is now to confront the intruder in only my underwear and a red cape!

"In the name of justice I command you to withdraw from my abode! Go, and live in peace villan!" *Gives wide-eyed creeper stare and makes sound effects of lasers shooting from my eyes....*

Carl N. Brown
February 12, 2013, 01:49 PM
Holy Batman! Where did I leave my utility belt?

The author of that article apparently doesn't realize that a strong ideological thread in the antigun movement for generations, back to at least 1924, is that guns are immoral because self-defense in any form is immoral by their ideology (a mix-mash of Hobbes and Weber that neither Hobbes nor Weber would recognize)?

At 65, I can reasonably operate a firearm. To think I had the unarmed combat skills of da-da-da-da-da-da Batman! would be seriously deluded.

I have read other articles advocating that women use spraycan oven cleaner on an attacker. Luckily for my sister (and for the home invader who under estimated her) she used a .357 and only had to flash a revolver before his eyes rather than burn his eyes out with oven cleaner.

Carl N. Brown
February 12, 2013, 01:56 PM
Isn't jumping out from behind the door and shouting, "BOO" still an effective way to scare off home invaders?

I have thought of rigging my house with some Paranormal Encounters special effects gimmicks. Or at bedtime dress the family up like the Firefly family from Devil's Rejects instead of wearing boring PJs to bed. You know, make a intended burglary into American Horror Story: Home Invasion.

Akita1
February 12, 2013, 01:59 PM
Not to mention a billionaire with access to high end R&D toys.
Plus, in some cases, his body armor is bulletproof (except the sonic suit I think, can't remember - it's been a while).

Akita1
February 12, 2013, 02:03 PM
Holy Batman! Where did I leave my utility belt?

The author of that article apparently doesn't realize that a strong ideological thread in the antigun movement for generations, back to at least 1924, is that guns are immoral because self-defense in any form is immoral by their ideology (a mix-mash of Hobbes and Weber that neither Hobbes nor Weber would recognize)?

At 65, I can reasonably operate a firearm. To think I had the unarmed combat skills of da-da-da-da-da-da Batman! would be seriously deluded.

I have read other articles advocating that women use spraycan oven cleaner on an attacker. Luckily for my sister (and for the home invader who under estimated her) she used a .357 and only had to flash a revolver before his eyes rather than burn his eyes out with oven cleaner.
One of my wife's friends told her to keep hornet spray by the bed because it shoots far…great idea for the kids. She chose her Lady Smith instead.

bolus
February 12, 2013, 02:10 PM
That's a lot of recommendations for wasp spray. LOL

Screamin'Eagle
February 12, 2013, 04:15 PM
That's a lot of recommendations for wasp spray. LOL

But it's a felony to use it for purposes other than what it is intended for...I think I'll stick with my guns.

Screamin'Eagle
February 12, 2013, 04:17 PM
Obviously the author meant this to be more satirical than anything else.

You would think so, but after looking at some of the replies by the author to comments on the gizmodo page, I'm not so sure. I am confident the author was being fairly serious, which is the scary part.

Ehtereon11B
February 12, 2013, 05:13 PM
Firearms are cheaper and a better deterrent against an occupied home invasion. Alarms can be cut and circumvented. Its hard to argue with a 12ga loaded with 00 or #4 buck.

*Rips open shirt: Nerd magic* Batman DID carry a gun back in the 60's and 70's comics but stopped carrying it because of political waves of the country against illegal guns. Looking at the old comics they are reminiscent of Colt.

JRH6856
February 12, 2013, 07:39 PM
I always liked The Phantom. He carried 2 1911s

gunsandreligion
February 12, 2013, 08:00 PM
I like areosol deterents myself. Ive once watched a rather idiotic person spray starter fluid over a lighter. Sure it will light your home on fire, but it doesnt seem that there are any better non gun solutions. Maybe keep a can of muriotic acid to throw it in a intruders face. How come in a effort to claim there are tools more as good as guns, people will make themselves look like idiots and will rely on ineffective solutions that present more danger to themselves?

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