friend of a friend got a mountain lion today


PDA






Clark
February 12, 2013, 12:37 AM
It was on a ranch in Eastern Montana along a river.
I have hunted on that ranch for white tails in 2007.
Lewis and Clark camped there in 1805.

If you enjoyed reading about "friend of a friend got a mountain lion today" here in TheHighRoad.org archive, you'll LOVE our community. Come join TheHighRoad.org today for the full version!
Texan Scott
February 12, 2013, 01:44 AM
Was it posing a problem? We get 'em now and then that get old , hurt, or just otherwise develop a taste for livestock and have to be put down, but it's pretty rare. They're beautiful animals. Personally, I'd rather hunt 'em with a camera and keep the rifle on backup...

Art Eatman
February 12, 2013, 12:16 PM
You get into sheep & goat country--Uvalde, Sonora, Ozona--and any lion is gonna be a problem. :) Or a deer every week to ten days sorta adds up, as well.

There are about twenty lions in Big Bend National Park. The math is left as an exercise for the student. :D

JERRY
February 12, 2013, 12:47 PM
poor putty tat.

wankerjake
February 12, 2013, 01:10 PM
Sweet! I hope to someday get one. I've only ever glassed up one, it got away.

H&Hhunter
February 12, 2013, 04:09 PM
They are a big game animal that needs managing just like any other big game animal.

Ehtereon11B
February 12, 2013, 06:00 PM
I have a personal love for mountain lions. They were my old unit's mascot so we took many classes on how to track them, always for fun and never for killing. I have seen many through a rifle scope and never like seeing them put down if they are not a problem. Then again, they are heavily endangered and declared extinct in the area I grew up.

Art Eatman
February 12, 2013, 09:10 PM
Population varies with the area and the food supply. There have been two or three resident mama cats within a mile or two of my house, these last thirty years. One gets old, another moves in. Handsome Stranger wanders along, keeping us supplied with more lions.

Bulk catnip is an attractant, by the way. :D

blkbrd666
February 12, 2013, 09:58 PM
What exactly do you do with a mountain lion once you have one...dead, in the back of your car?

Patocazador
February 12, 2013, 10:40 PM
What exactly do you do with a mountain lion once you have one...dead, in the back of your car?
I have read in several different books that pumas are excellent eating .. supposed to taste like veal.
Mount the cat and eat it too = great combo in my opinion.

sixgunner455
February 12, 2013, 10:44 PM
They are beautiful. Population densities may vary, but they aren't gonna disappear on us anytime soon.

Hardly ever see 'em anyway. They're sneaky.

H&Hhunter
February 12, 2013, 11:52 PM
What exactly do you do with a mountain lion once you have one...dead, in the back of your car?

Is that a trick question? Exactly what do you do with a beautiful little butter eyed deer once you have one....dead, in the back of your car?

Texan Scott
February 13, 2013, 12:00 AM
I eat the deer ...

H&Hhunter
February 13, 2013, 08:56 AM
So what's your point?

Fremmer
February 13, 2013, 09:05 AM
Answer: he does whatever he wants with it.
Freedom.

Art Eatman
February 13, 2013, 12:54 PM
They're definitely yummi-tasty.

The hide can provide credibility. My wife saw one not far from her house in south Georgia. In telling of it, some guy came on with the "Now, little lady, how would you know what a lion looks like?"

As only a Southern Lady can, she cooed, "Why, it looked just like the hide draped over the couch at home."

Certaindeaf
February 13, 2013, 01:32 PM
Here in Oregon they outlawed using dogs on cats about ten years ago., for no reason.. just bleeding hearts. Very few deer and elk here now.. lots of cats though.

H&Hhunter
February 13, 2013, 02:32 PM
To me Mt lion tastes and looks like commercial pork. It is a very light meat. As with any predator make sure and cook it well done to avoid trichinosis. I have posted multiple pictures of myself with Mt Lions in the past. Mt lion hunting is one of the most challenging physical and mental games that exists in the hunting world. I deeply miss it from both a challenge prospective and for the spectacular country they live in.

Dedicated Mt lion hunters are some of the hardest, most rugged outdoors men and women you'll ever meet. It is not uncommon at all to be out over night or as a guide multiple nights with minimal gear in the dead of winter, high up in the Rockies while on the trail of a lion. It also isn't uncommon to put in 15 to 20 high country, steep and deep miles in a day. It is not for the weak willed or the infirm. A fair chase Mt Lion hunted behind dogs is one of the most prized, hard won and meaningful trophies that a hunter in North America can posses.

There is a lot of misunderstanding about the process and the stamina it takes to successfully hunt lions.

dogrunner
February 13, 2013, 03:08 PM
H&H, I have postulated the same conviction about a fair chase trophy buck taken FAIRLY in front of a good pack of dogs...........Likely it's MORE difficult than that lion....................just not as politically correct!


I'll add that I have personally jumped a fine buck at around noon, saw him but once, and never got a shot.............caught the last dog at dusk!

H&Hhunter
February 13, 2013, 06:24 PM
...........Likely it's MORE difficult than that lion.

DR,

Longer runs on deer, but easier terrain and you got all of them oxegyn molecules to breath down there too! I'm still saying my dad could beat up your dad.:);)

OilyPablo
February 13, 2013, 06:45 PM
No. They don't taste like cat.

Mountain men used to love 'em.

Art Eatman
February 13, 2013, 08:43 PM
Thinking of the story of the old bull and the young bull, I figure the best way is to tie a rag on my south pasture fence, with bacon grease on the rag. Maybe some leftovers from supper, a jackrabbit from that afternoon, and a handful of bulk catnip.

Then just sit in the truck, a couple of hundred yards off, and wait.

Saves all that running-around stuff.

:D:D:D

alsaqr
February 13, 2013, 09:43 PM
The wildlife folks in OK were very protective of their mountain lions. A friends stud horse was torn up by a mountain lion. The horse raiser called the OWDC. He was was told that killing a mountain lion would result in a prison sentence.

The OK legislature fixed that one. Mountain lions that threaten farm animals or humans may be shot.

Several years ago i wounded a big hog and was tracking it in a deep ravine. My sparse hair stood up and a feeling of being watched came over me. Sitting on the bank was huge mountain lion switching its tail and licking his face. i shot him square in the chest with my .50 muzzleloader using a 370 grain Maxi-Ball.

blkbrd666
February 13, 2013, 10:18 PM
Not a trick question. I eat deer, just never thought about eating cat...even a big wild cat. Grew up on a farm and ate some pretty strange stuff, just never any cats. Not that I would hesitate, just didn't know it was a popular or good tasting meat.

I was in Illinois once, on the Illinois river, and everyone in that little town thought a buffalo fillet sandwich was a delicacy. Hot item on the menu in the downtown restaurant!!! My buddy ordered one and I tasted it. Now I know why my grandpa told me to throw the carp up on the bank and leave them there. I never heard my grandpa's thoughts on bobcat or puma.

sixgunner455
February 14, 2013, 03:17 AM
As I said before, lions are beautiful creatures, but they aren't endangered, and there's nothing wrong or immoral about taking one. I have rarely seen one to have the opportunity to do so, but I faithfully buy a tag every year on the off chance that I may get the opportunity, or be forced to protect my dog.

That hide will be on my wall or my couch, should I ever get one.

Davek1977
February 14, 2013, 05:28 AM
Predators need to be managed like any other game animal. I have no issues with anyone legally taking a mountain lion, as they are doing mother nature a service no different than a deer or squirrel hunter. A balance must be maintained, and an unchecked population of mountain lions can have a devastating effect on game populations. Here in westernSouth Dakota, as mountian lions increased in number, elk, deer, and especially bighorn sheep drastically declined. In one area of SD...Custer State Park....30 elk calves were tagged. SIXTEEN...over half...were killed by lions within the year. 50% mortality, due to a single species of predator, is simply unacceptable

H&Hhunter
February 14, 2013, 11:01 AM
As I mentioned earlier. They are a big game animal that needs to be managed just like any other. Thanks for the supporting data Dave.:)

I worked on a lion depredation contract in central NM back in the mid 90's. Bighorn sheep had taken a hit due to brain worms. They were trying to get the populations back to healthy levels. After doing a predation study they found that we had a 96% mortality rate in lambs due to lion predation. We ran dogs in area for several years killing several lion but primarily, simply putting pressure on them to leave the area especially during lambing season.

It was successful to a degree as the depredation numbers went down by half. I'm not sure how the herd health is today in that area.

When an area is in balance in regards to predator prey numbers lions are not a probelm at all. But when they gte out of balance either way is when we start having problems. Lions are carefully managed in most western states.

Art Eatman
February 14, 2013, 01:00 PM
Some 25 or 30 years ago, a trap-and-tag program was done in Big Bend National Park. Over 800,000 acres, there. The Chisos Mountains, in the southern center of the park, are maybe 200,000 acres. The expectation for the Chisos was maybe a couple of pairs of lions.

The final count in the Chisos was 22 lions.

Deer hang around the tourist camping areas, mostly.

Lions were a problem for Texas Parks & Wildlife in the early stages of the restoration of the desert bighorn. As near as I can tell, there was a good bit of very quiet SSS. The bighorns are now above 1,400 in the various refuge areas and on private land.

cal30_sniper
February 14, 2013, 01:12 PM
Art,

What's your best guess for the number of lions on the Terlingua/State Park side of Big Bend compared to the National Park? All the hiking we've ever done down there, I caught a lot more sign of mountain lion on the state park side than in the national park. I even came across a den once up in one of the old Uranium mines in the Solitario. Didn't stick around there too long.

I know dad tells a story of my great grandmother rounding up a lion in amongst the cattle they used to run down there. I believe it was somewhere on the Fresno creek south of the Solitario where that happened. He said things got a little hairy there for a bit.

Art Eatman
February 14, 2013, 09:05 PM
I really don't have a clue about comparative population density. Off the cuff, I'd think that BBNP would have more, due to my opinion that there is likely more prey. Chisos rainfall averages two to three times as much as the area between Hwy 118 and US 67.

As far as seeing sign, my feeling there is that in the common hiking areas, the type of soil is more likely to show sign in the state park than in BBNP.

The last few years, though, I've rather dropped out of touch from my more active times. Too much sitting around the house, unfortunately.

351 WINCHESTER
February 14, 2013, 09:45 PM
I have been blessed to have seen 4 in my native state of Florida. My first was in the mid 70's in west Cocoa and the last to date was in Clay county. We don't shoot them because they are endangered, but they are prudy to look at.

Patocazador
February 15, 2013, 09:07 AM
I have been blessed to have seen 4 in my native state of Florida. My first was in the mid 70's in west Cocoa and the last to date was in Clay county. We don't shoot them because they are endangered, but they are prudy to look at.
I read where they released a few Texas cougars south of Okeefenokee about 8-10 years ago but that they were all killed, either hit by cars or shot.
All the sightings near me have been dismissed by the FWC even though there was hair and tracks that verified one of them. I was told privately that they didn't want to acknowledge them due to ESA requirements and tons of paperwork. Therefore, they don't "officially" exist north of Big Cypress Swamp and the Glades.

dogrunner
February 15, 2013, 09:50 AM
The reason those Tesas cougars were brought in was to add some diversity to the gene pool. The Florida cats were being born with anomalys such as undecended testicles, heart problems et-al.........just not enough animals to assure healthy stock. I believe the surviving females, after they'd bred and raised kittens, were recaptured.

From what I've read there was really no choice and if not done, we'd have lost the species here.

Incidentally most of the road kills appear to be young males striking out for new territory..........unfortunately there ain't none in Florida now. Had one turned into a roadrug a couple miles from my home on I/95 No. of Daytona a year or so back...male. For all the woods time I have spent I have never laid eye's one one, tho my hunting buddy had one walk across the Ocala Naval Bombing Range perimeter road about 50 feet from him two seasons back. They are here, but truly endangered.

Patocazador
February 15, 2013, 10:17 PM
dogrunner,
I believe you're talking about the ones in South Fla. The ones they released in North Fla. around Osceola NF were all sterilized prior to release. The release was to see if the habitat could support them so an introduction of Fla. panthers could be established there. They abandoned that idea after they all were killed.

TexasPatriot.308
February 15, 2013, 10:30 PM
in my part of Central Texas, we got a lot of em, people have lost lots of horses and livestock to them, I have seen 2 in daylight when I did not have an opportunity to shoot. dont think I would eat one, but would be a good lookin mount and we seem to have a few around.

dogrunner
February 16, 2013, 12:35 PM
Yeah, you're right Pato........If I recall correctly that test resulted in some livestock being killed, a bit of public outrage followed and the project was shelved, I'd forgotten about that one but I believe that there is still some semblence of a breeding reminant population in the Okefenokee, I've read of reports from So. Ga..

You are aware that we've had documented lion predation in Volusia Co. aren't you......Tomoka WMA, & Relay in Flagler.........still, there's just no place for 'em to go.......if the FWC succeded in establishing a population it'd be very similar to what we now have with black bears.....in every back yard and garbage can. Heck, I counted five roadkills on 40 last deer season.

Too many roads, and way, way too many people too damn quick! Alligator alley, 40, and 19 are three roads for example that should NEVER have been built!

Patocazador
February 16, 2013, 02:59 PM
Yeah, the one I was referring to with hair and a track by a deer kill was in Volusia county and they said it must have been an "escapee from an attraction."

jaysouth
February 17, 2013, 11:15 AM
What exactly do you do with a mountain lion once you have one...dead, in the back of your car?
Sell it to a chinese restaurant! that cat would make enough kung pau kitty for a couple of day's buffet line.

H&Hhunter
February 17, 2013, 11:51 AM
Sell it to a chinese restaurant! that cat would make enough kung pau kitty for a couple of day's buffet line.

Ohhhh you so funny!!:D

If you enjoyed reading about "friend of a friend got a mountain lion today" here in TheHighRoad.org archive, you'll LOVE our community. Come join TheHighRoad.org today for the full version!