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Tennessee Senate Approves Parking Lot Guns Bill


http://www.wlac.com/cc-common/news/sections/newsarticle.html?feed=220452&article=10806316

[razorback2003]

This bill is weak. All it does is legalizes keeping a handgun in your car in places that post 'proper signs', some local parks that ban guns, and schools IF you have a handgun carry permit and the gun is in your car. It is highly restrictive and almost worthless.

[TurtlePhish]

This bill is weak. All it does is legalizes keeping a handgun in your car in places that post 'proper signs', some local parks that ban guns, and schools IF you have a handgun carry permit and the gun is in your car. It is highly restrictive and almost worthless.


Maybe it doesn't do much, but it's a whole lot better than nothing. Plus, the fact that a pro-gun bill is passed during all of this anti-gun nonsense shows a lot about how things are going in TN.

[hso]

Outstanding!
While an employer has the authority to determine whether a carry permit holder may bring their firearm into the place of business their authority ends at the employee's vehicle and certainly doesn't extend off of the property between the business and home. This is a balance between the right of the individual and that of the business.

[Walkalong]

We have that here in Alabama. While my workplace does not allow guns on the premises, Alabama law says I can have one in my vehicle. Not that security here is overly concerned about it.

[cfullgraf]

This bill is weak. All it does is legalizes keeping a handgun in your car in places that post 'proper signs', some local parks that ban guns, and schools IF you have a handgun carry permit and the gun is in your car. It is highly restrictive and almost worthless.

Except that you are no longer breaking the law if you are permitted to carry and go someplace where you could not bring the firearm onto the property.

Whether desirable or not relative to actual carry, at least you do not have to leave the firearm at home when you go to one of these "gun-free" locations. Now, you do not break the law.

When you leave the property, you are still armed. It is a start.

Also, the bill has failed to pass one or two years in the past. There is still alot of opposition to it in Tennessee and somewhat amazing to me that it passed.

It still has to pass the TN House. The governor is not thrilled with it, but I think he will not oppose it if it passes the TN Congress.

[Mousegun]

Tennessee has a habit of passing bills that leave a few things to be desired.

For instance, even if the State determines your innocence in a self defense shooting, they fell short of preventing you being sued civilly but if you are and win the suit, you can collect for damages and costs.

There are not enough years left in this ole' body to go through all that court time if it ever happened.

[Airbrush Artist]

Actually in Ohio its not worthless If You are like me and Drive a school bus and cannot even have a my CC&W Firearm in my vehicle in the parking lot on the Bus garage property because its a Criminal Protection Zone ,It stops Me from being able to carry to work.I asked 2 highway Ohio State Highway patrolmen That inspect our Buses Monthly and They said Ya can't, just don't tell no one when Ya do it...

[TanklessPro]

We have that here in Alabama. While my workplace does not allow guns on the premises, Alabama law says I can have one in my vehicle. Not that security here is overly concerned about it.
I thought that did not pass????? Do you have a reference? My company still has the stance of firearm on property is a firing offence?

[BHP FAN]

I'd think in view of the school bus driver shot to death just weeks ago protecting his students, and the fact that a little boy was dragged underground by some modern world goblin for a week, that someone, somwhere, would have figured out somehow that the need to protect our kids SHOULD over rule politically correct gun-fear.

[InkEd]

Except that people need their jobs to support themselves and their families.

[Constrictor]

Maybe it doesn't do much, but it's a whole lot better than nothing. Plus, the fact that a pro-gun bill is passed during all of this anti-gun nonsense shows a lot about how things are going in TN.
Im curious, how is this bill better than nothing? since criminals do not follow the law, nothing changes, the law means absolutely nothing or am i wrong?

[vamo]

For everyone saying this is worthless try working somewhere that forbids guns on the property. I would love missouri to pass a similiar law so I can actually go directly from work to the range. Going home first is annoying and can waste as much as an hour depending on what range I want to go to.

I realize that there's is almost a zero chance of getting caught if I just kept them locked in a trunk. But on the off chance my car is broken in to I don't want to risk my job.

[TurtlePhish]

Im curious, how is this bill better than nothing? since criminals do not follow the law, nothing changes, the law means absolutely nothing or am i wrong?


What? The bill allows people to keep their guns in their vehicles, regardless of how the owner of the lot feels about it. This law does in fact mean a lot for some people and keeps those people from being "criminals" in the eyes of the law.

[Ryanxia]

We have that here in Alabama. While my workplace does not allow guns on the premises, Alabama law says I can have one in my vehicle. Not that security here is overly concerned about it.
Our state also has this. Perfectly allowed to keep a gun (or 6) in my vehicle. :D

[zdc1775]

We have that here in Alabama. While my workplace does not allow guns on the premises, Alabama law says I can have one in my vehicle. Not that security here is overly concerned about it.
Walkalong might want to check to be sure on that. I am pretty sure it didn't pass due to the Amy Bishop incident at UAH. That being said they are currently considering an omnibus bill that includes a parking lot exemption as well as making us a "shall issue" state with permits that would be valid for up to five years. It would also require the sheriffs to use the NICS to check eligibility for the permit.
ETA: It also makes all other states CCW permits valid here

[Walkalong]

Hmm, I need to recheck that it seems.

Irregardless, I will continue to keep one in my vehicle if I please. :)

[xjsnake]

Ooo, I might be able to keep my gun locked in my car at work (teacher) if this doesn't get adulterated. Probably the best I'm going to get in terms of being able to protect my students sadly.

[Fryerpower]

Ooo, I might be able to keep my gun locked in my car at work (teacher) if this doesn't get adulterated. Probably the best I'm going to get in terms of being able to protect my students sadly.
What state are you in? Tennessee already allows you to keep it in your car at school.

http://www.tn.gov/tccy/tnchild/39/39-17-1309.htm

Look at c.1

Jim

[xjsnake]

What state are you in? Tennessee already allows you to keep it in your car at school.

http://www.tn.gov/tccy/tnchild/39/39-17-1309.htm

Look at c.1

Jim
Yes but my district has a no guns on property policy for employees that includes vehicles.

The way the new law is written they couldn't control what I keep in my car.

[blkbrd666]

Plus, the fact that a pro-gun bill is passed during all of this anti-gun nonsense shows a lot about how things are going in TN.

+1!!! Good to see. Meanwhile, they are pushing and testing the citizens of many other states. :banghead:

[JVaughn]

Fantastic! Progress is at least being made.

I am fortunate enough to work at a very gun friendly place where everyone including the owner is armed all the time. But I am glad to see this sort of progress in the right direction.

[Fryerpower]

Yes but my district has a no guns on property policy for employees that includes vehicles.

The way the new law is written they couldn't control what I keep in my car.

Aaahhh! Policy! I got ya! Yep, you need the law to force them to let you leave it locked, out of sight in your car.

Of course, I would say that you are still legally allowed to leave it locked in your car right now and that you could take them to court to force the issue if they ever fired you over having it in your car. The policy is in conflict with the law. I COMPLETELY understand that you would not want to force the issue. Any employer can make you life hell just for the fun of it. Just because they can. It is hard to build the case and fight for your rights. In the end everyone is better for it, except the person who does the fight.

Jim

[razorback2003]

This bill does not affect any workplace policy. It is a bad bill that does not improve a lot just to make legislators look Pro 2A.

Basically it makes it legal to keep a gun in your car with intent to go armed at a local park, school, and place with a 'no guns' sign WITH a permit.

Big deal.

It is legal to keep gun in your car without a permit in a lot of states even on school property.

The bill does not help much.

[Fryerpower]

It helps quite a few of us that actually have HCPs. As you pointed out, it does not help people without permits.

IMHO, there are two types of people who would keep a gun in their car at work. There are HCP holders who carry where ever they go and there are people who want to sport shoot or hunt before or after work. It helps the HCP holders immensely. In a roundabout sort of way it helps the hunters. There are many hunters that have no intention of carrying a handgun who get their HCP. They HCP have some other benefits in Tennessee. The big one that applies to hunters is the ability to carry long guns with full magazines in their car/truck legally as long as there is not a round in the chamber. (You can legally have one in the chamber if you are in imminent danger!)

Jim

[Greg528iT]

I guess I'd have to read the Bill. I would think the BEST it could do was.. protect a person from being charged criminally for possessing a weapon. You would probably still be fired for violating company policy. example.. it's NOT illegal to call in sick. A company can fire you for excessive non excused absences. I would expect the new proposal would just keep an individual from getting a double hit.. fired and prosecuted.

[Fryerpower]

Link:

http://wapp.capitol.tn.gov/apps/BillInfo/Default.aspx?BillNumber=HB0118

I need to read it again myself.

Jim

[Fryerpower]

From the House/Senate Bill:
This bill, as described below, allows a person with a valid handgun carry permit to transport and store a firearm or ammunition in the person's privately-owned vehicle in public or private parking areas, not including the grounds or property of a single-family detached residence.

Generally, under present law:

(1) Any business or government entity may prohibit the possession of weapons by any person on property owned, operated, or managed or under the control of such entity;
(2) It is a Class A misdemeanor for any person to possess or carry a firearm in or on the grounds of any municipal, county or state recreational property; and
(3) It is a Class E felony for any person to possess or carry a firearm on any public or private school property or bus.

Notwithstanding the above provisions, this bill authorizes a holder of a valid handgun carry permit, unless expressly prohibited by federal law, to transport and store a firearm or ammunition in the person's privately-owned vehicle while on or utilizing any public or private parking area if:

(1) The vehicle is parked in a location where it is permitted to be; and
(2) The firearm or ammunition being transported or stored in the vehicle:
(A) Is kept from ordinary observation if the person is in the motor vehicle; or
(B) Is kept from ordinary observation and locked within the trunk, glove box, or interior of the person's vehicle or a container securely affixed to the vehicle if the person is not in the vehicle.

Ok, what does this part mean:
Notwithstanding the above provisions
Does that negate this part:
(1) Any business or government entity may prohibit the possession of weapons by any person on property owned, operated, or managed or under the control of such entity;
or does it continue to allow them to prohibit possession. I THINK it says that they can say you cannot carry in the business, but that the parking lot is OK as long as you qualify and follow the rules.

Hummm...Just noticed that it says "a firearm", does that mean that you cannot have more than one in your car?

Jim

[Greg528iT]

reads to me.. that.. it' just keeps one form getting double dipped.. fired and prosecuted.

Notwithstanding the above provisions

being the key feature..

You work for your employer at their discretion. By accepting the the money they give you for the hours worked, you are accepting their rules. If you do not like it you are free to quit at anytime.

[Airbrush Artist]

Thank Ya BHP..I worry about it everyday I sit down in My school Bus ,Oh I'am up for the challenge.I been un protected for 12 years driving my Bus ,I'm ready for that change..great Point Bud..

[Bio-Chem]

hmmm. TN has a lot of Nuclear Power Plants, wonder how this will effect them. The plant I worked at searched vehicles before you even got to parking

[Fryerpower]

hmmm. TN has a lot of Nuclear Power Plants, wonder how this will effect them. The plant I worked at searched vehicles before you even got to parking
They are covered by federal laws.

Jim

[Disciple]

Hey Walkalong...I though that bill was currently in the Alabama legislature? Do you know how the proposed bill would impact state employees parking on government property? Thanks!

[Wyndage]

They are covered by federal laws.

Jim
Correct. TVA is a federal agency (technically a federally owned corporation).

[Fryerpower]

Correct. TVA is a federal agency (technically a federally owned corporation).
TVA is not the only agency that operates nuclear facilities in Tennessee...
:cool:

Jim

[Wyndage]

TVA is not the only agency that operates nuclear facilities in Tennessee...
:cool:

Jim
True, but he did say nuclear power plants, by which I assume he meant power of the controlled sort. :)

[Fryerpower]

True, but he did say nuclear power plants, by which I assume he meant power of the controlled sort. :)
There is one of those too...HFIR. It is a controlled reactor that is used to produce and cool neutrons to thermal energies. 80ish MW of waste heat.

Jim