I've got a coyote problem....i think


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herkyguy
February 12, 2013, 03:07 PM
So I've got 50 acres, usually loaded with deer. Lately, I've seen a few smaller dog tracks and wasn't too concerned. All of a sudden, at both ends of a foot bridge over a creek, there are more than a dozen tracks of larger coyotes. Not sure what to do about it. I've sat a few hours in a stand with a mouth call, but haven't seen them moving around. I don't really have the cash or the desire to drop $300 on an electronic call.

Any and all suggestions that might work are greatly appreciated.

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MtnCreek
February 12, 2013, 03:25 PM
What state are you in?

Steve H
February 12, 2013, 03:34 PM
Set up a stand overlooking an open field. Put a cylinder of propane in the field and just slightly crack open the valve. The scent bring them in. If only one comes in shoot it. If a bunch of the come in shoot the cylinder with a S109 or a tracer. :what:

mcdonl
February 12, 2013, 04:32 PM
Some basic information... either use bait or call them... both do not work at the same time (In my experience...)

Also, if you are calling them... 30 minutes is good for one spot. Move to a different area.

Trapping, Trapping and Trapping. You will learn about them that way, and it is most effective.

Dont forget, they are hunting too. It is not like hunting deer.

What state?

sixgunner455
February 12, 2013, 04:59 PM
herky lives in NC, according to previous posts.

hey_poolboy
February 12, 2013, 05:02 PM
My approach depends on how they are using the property. A buddy of mine has property butting up to some den sites. The coyotes are relatively easy to call in there. Another property I have permission to hunt is littered with coyote tracks, but they just pass through there. I've NEVER called one in there. Only ever see them when sitting there waiting like you would hunt deer or baiting them. (if legal)

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HighExpert
February 12, 2013, 05:14 PM
I my experience a coyote's intelligence makes a deer look absolutely DUMB. If you see 1-2 you probably have 20. Good luck. Kill 'em all before they get to VA. We don't need anymore.

NRAforLIFE
February 12, 2013, 05:18 PM
Trap them. Night activity is the only activity in their world, and the only way to make a dent in them--unless you want to stay up all night every night.:banghead:

c.latrans
February 12, 2013, 06:12 PM
If its legal where you are, set up a bait station that is easy for you to observe and approach. Road killed deer work great. When I was a kid, my dads work shop had a reloading room with a bench built inside so we could shoot out a window. One winter a neighbors horse died, and a couple of buddies and I took the old jeep and situated the carcass 200 yards so we could shoot from the bench. Kept a .222 mag sighted in for the exact distance handy. Great times, coyotes were worth 60 bucks (big money for junior high school kids back then) and we shoot close to a dozen off of the bait that winter.

boommer
February 13, 2013, 12:02 AM
Soda pop and fly bait and then you will know exactly whats around the neighborhood with in few feet of your bowl.

MtnCreek
February 13, 2013, 09:32 AM
If its legal where you are, set up a bait station that is easy for you to observe and approach.

Buddy of mine is doing this. He fenced off an area in pasture and set up a feeder filled w/ dog food. Also baiting w/ meat scraps. Just started, so I don't know if it will work. Probably better for yote hunting than yote extermination...

I've been trapping some. I have some new traps that are about ready to wax and am looking forward to getting them out. Current traps are too small (Duke 1.5's) and have rugger on the jaws to prevent damage to non-target critters, but they are not working. Frist yote in the foot-hold trap yesterday evening and the yote got free from it. Based on a little hair left in the trap, it was a yote. The set was a dirt hole w/ a rabbit deep in the hole. Trap was set ~10" from the bait. Also sprayed a little yote pee around on the dirt I disturbed. One other set in a road bank heading through my woods has resulted nothing. Similar setup, but in steep bank and a rat used as bait. Nothing has messed with this... Another (similar to the first) set in a really tight spot between creek bank and steep slope is being dug up every other day. Based on the skill level of the offender, I suspect a coon. I'll take a trail cam w/ me today to try to get a better idea what's going on there.

Now for the results... I have two location where yotes have been accessing my pasture. The bottom part of the wove wire has the staples missing and the buggers are crawling up. One place is perfect; nice bank sloping down just past the fence. I grabbed some chickens on sale the other week and started baiting a large hole that I dug out. Set a large connibear (spelling?) and this has nailed a couple. If you do this, you still have to stake them down. It will kill the yote, but it does not appear to be instant.

As far as shooting, I have better luck just keeping an accurate pistol or rifle on me than actually going out to hunt them. Itís not uncommon to be parked out in a field looking at it pondering what Iím going to plant when & where and have one trot out. Also, they seem to like bushhogging.

There are other methods of killing them, but doing so selectively is a problem. Let your conscience be your guide.

Good Luck.

herkyguy
February 13, 2013, 10:32 AM
I am in NC, should have clarified that. My property is pretty thick, so I don't have too many open areas. I'm working to clear and plant a few food plots in the coming weeks, but am a bit concerned about how many more coyote tracks I've seen in the last two weeks.

Thanks for the 30 minute advice. I wasn't sure how long to try for. That's about what I've been doing. I will certainly try some bait, might even pick up a trap or two. I appreciate the advice.

I have some trailcams, but they're not set up at the moment. I can tell that the buggers are using the foot bridge because there are tracks on both ends of it and the creek/swamp is pretty thick and full of water mocassins.

Art Eatman
February 13, 2013, 09:51 PM
MtnCreek, try setting one of those braided steel neck snares where they're crawling under the fence. They pull up and lock like a nylon tie-wrap.

alsaqr
February 13, 2013, 11:00 PM
Got a good idea for trapping coyotes: A hog trap with a smaller protected compartment containing a live pig or turkey. This came from seeing game camera photos of a couple turkeys caught in my hog trap.

First the coyotes come:

http://i.imgur.com/F6bT2tw.jpg

Then the bobcat spoils the coyotes party:

http://i.imgur.com/xXuavbW.jpg

dirtykid
February 13, 2013, 11:08 PM
179720

I hunt them after Im done getting them this way,

This time of year they are pairing-up and mating,so territorial calls may bring them in,but they are like any other wild animal in heat, they aren't exactly thinking with their brains if ya know what I mean,,
Gland-based lures can be used to bring them into range if placed correctly,
Bait-piles work good also,but they aint exactly got food on top of their list

MtnCreek
February 14, 2013, 11:12 AM
Snares are a no-go in GA and NC.

A friend is trying to talk me into building a live trap similar to that hog trap. He visited a quail plantation recently that was using something similar, except they used a live pidgin as bait. I was told they had good results. My only reservation is Iíd hate to spend a few hundred bucks on having a trap made and the yotes get wise to it after a couple catches.

Dirty, What traps are you using and have you modified them any? In GA weíre restricted to (I think) 5.75Ē jaw spread. My little 1.5 Dukes donít seem to be enough for the yotes. I bought the largest Dukes our local farm supply had and theyíre rusted, ready to wax. I think theyíre 1.75ís and No soft-catch.

Herky,
Hereís a link to trapping regs for NC.
http://www.ncwildlife.org/Trapping/LawsSafety.aspx

In GA, yotes are considered non-game, which makes them fair game year round. We still have to follow trapping regulations. Iím not sure about NC; I havenít lived there in many years and my trapping was mostly live traps for coons and groundhogs (or anything else that liked pulling over a stalk of corn to take one bite).

dirtykid
February 14, 2013, 12:22 PM
The one in the picture was caught using Minnesota Trapline Products MB-550 offset cast jaw, 2-coiled trap,, I use them for fox and yotes, but also use the MB-650 which is a larger 4-coiled offset cast jaw,, If I remember the MB-550 is legal for your state, I would have to check their website for actual jaw-opening width,
If you have not trapped before, believe me , coyotes are about the hardest animal to start with, they are clever, but curious, but also very paranoid and easily spooked,
they would have to be down-right starving to step foot into a pig-style trap, and it would have to be built with heavy material, as you can see in the picture that unusually large male (49 pounds) had everything he could reach chewed down to ground level, and he had only been there a few hours !!
Its too bad you cannot use snares, as they are easiest to learn to use, and also cheaper than the traps I mentioned,
If total irradication is what your goal is, wait as late as you can legally hunt/kill them in your state, and with a little fresh rain or snowfall you may be able to track the females back to the den,and eliminate the next-generation of pups at least,
Up here we "manage" the population, often stopping trapping and hunting in some areas to leave a few for seed the next year, but then I depend on a steady flow of fur-income every fall,
Check your regs about night-hunting , as full-moon clear-sky nights with a lighted reticle can be very productive, I have a Foxpro caller and use it often, but also use a variety of CHEAP hand-calls to simulate distressed rabbits,
We often will set up on multiple sides of a valley with 2-3 shooters that have established shooting lanes,and use our cell-phones to text each other to coordinate calling techniques, it has been very effective, as what one cannot see another might,

CarolinaChuck
February 14, 2013, 01:24 PM
Yotes in NC: http://www.northcarolinasportsman.com/details.php?id=391

Interesting read; I remember what my pop said to to me about coyotes: anywhere you got rabbits you'll find coyotes.

I would say your deer problems are unrelated to the yotes on your property. And as stated in the article above, out West I found coyotes harder to hunt then deer.

Open killing fields is the best way to hunt them, and here in NC it makes that near impossible. They seem dumb as a rock coming in like idiots to a call, but once they wind you or get spooked, they will turn tail run. And like a dog, they can learn... They are definitely Wiley.

Chuck

Spymaster
February 15, 2013, 01:17 AM
So I've got 50 acres, usually loaded with deer. Lately, I've seen a few smaller dog tracks and wasn't too concerned. All of a sudden, at both ends of a foot bridge over a creek, there are more than a dozen tracks of larger coyotes. Not sure what to do about it. I've sat a few hours in a stand with a mouth call, but haven't seen them moving around. I don't really have the cash or the desire to drop $300 on an electronic call.

Any and all suggestions that might work are greatly appreciated.
50 acres, coyote problem? No, not seeing it.

herkyguy
February 15, 2013, 09:14 AM
Heading down today to set up a trail cam. The only thing i have going for me is that they are concentrated around the foot bridge. I'm pretty sure they're using it to cross a swampy part.

Will try calling again tonight.

spymaster, thank you for your thoughtful insight. the exponential increase in dog tracks must be a figment of my imagination.

Spymaster
February 15, 2013, 09:43 PM
Heading down today to set up a trail cam. The only thing i have going for me is that they are concentrated around the foot bridge. I'm pretty sure they're using it to cross a swampy part.

Will try calling again tonight.

spymaster, thank you for your thoughtful insight. the exponential increase in dog tracks must be a figment of my imagination.
So you have some tracks, on 50 acres of land. Hows that a problem? Do you understand how these animals range?

Flintknapper
February 15, 2013, 09:57 PM
50 acres, coyote problem? No, not seeing it.

I'll help you. ;)

It is quite possible to have a coyote 'problem' on a small amount of acreage IF there are terrain features that funnels movement down.

Normally, I would agree with your statement....since coyotes are territorial, but the OP could have a substantial population around him (on other properties) and they might well be forced (or just prefer) to use a certain travel corridor.

I have 400 acres, but kill 90% of the Feral Hogs on it....at one spot comprised of only 15 acres. Anyone that knows me....would tell you that I definitely have a 'Hog Problem'. The same type situation might be in play...with the OP and his coyotes.

Conversely, he might be seeing fresh and old tracks mixed together and THINK he has more Coyotes than there really are. Game camera...would tell.

ColtPythonElite
February 15, 2013, 10:00 PM
If you have woven wire fencing, snares can be, very effective.

Spymaster
February 15, 2013, 10:06 PM
Game camera...would tell

Thats exactly what I would do.

jbauch357
February 16, 2013, 10:22 PM
you don't need to spend $300 on an electronic call, I've done pretty well bringing them in with a Quaker Boy Screamin Cottontail which is a whopping $13.

TexasPatriot.308
February 16, 2013, 10:49 PM
you got a problem when all the cats in the neighborhood start disappearing and you see coyotes in the neighborhood at all hours of the night, and this is in town. my cow pastures are infested with hogs and coyotes...you can shoot all you want and not put a dent in their numbers.

herkyguy
February 17, 2013, 11:26 AM
A month ago, i saw one track. no big deal. within the last few weeks, lots of new tracks. they are wiped out every time it rains. a day or two later, lots of new tracks. i'm not saying they're living there for good, but they came from somewhere and they're consistently moving through the same area.


I've got a good deer population, and lots of small game. my acreage was cleared years ago for a development that went under. i picked it up and now 75% of it is brush that no human could make his way through without a bulldozer. it is in a very rural area with lots of farmland surrounding and some old growth.


ergo, my problem.

Camera is up as of two days ago. I am out of town for a week or so. I'll post in two weeks what i find.

again, thanks for all of the good info. much appreciated.

Zeke/PA
February 18, 2013, 10:25 AM
Trapping is of course very erffective but it is a time consuming effort if done in a lawful, humane manner.
Usually, traps can be set only during your State's trapping season.
Traps must be checked DAILY and domestic dogs and cats may be a problem.
Here in PA Coyotes may be HUNTED year round Sunday's included!
Coyotes have become a problem statewide

arjppj
February 18, 2013, 07:20 PM
I live in Forsyth county, so far we have a very limited coyote population. I've seen a few foxes, but they don't pose much threat to my area so I let them be. My grandparents have 22 acres in Lewisville, my grandma says she has heard them hollering at night. I've seen a few hairy poops, but there are still some cats around and a heavy deer population. Not worth my time, YET, but I always keep 2 .30-06 rounds loaded with 110gr A-max on the buttstock band just in case.

arjppj
February 28, 2013, 01:21 PM
^ Nevermind, I finally got a pic of one on the camera. I guess it's time to get back out in the treestand and start calling :)

twice barrel
March 1, 2013, 06:06 PM
Fox?

1 old 0311-1
March 1, 2013, 06:23 PM
Yotes CLIMB UP a fence if they can't get under it. The 'Yote Fences' have rollers on top to keep them out.

dirtykid
March 1, 2013, 06:25 PM
That sure is a nice yote, I see nothing but $40 standing there !
Shoot-em and skin-em, even un-scraped you should get $20 for it !

As far as Zekes comment about domestics,
I use those MB-550's with cast-offset jaws for a reason, I have released MANY domestic
dogs over the years, unharmed, maybe a little freaked out for the moment
Cats are a different story,
The others are right about the territory, maybe your property is a dispersal route, or it is an overlap of 2-different packs territory,you'll see alot more prints then usual,
You also could have domestic dogs snooping around, this time of year the yotes are pissin all over everything,and domestic dogs will smell that and go exploring, adding to the traffic ,
If you do some research this summer,you could be all ready to set to trap next time your season opens, If it isint already year-round like up here,
With a little practice you can slam-in 3-good sets per hour, it wont tak but a 1/2-dozen good sets to clear up your problem

herkyguy
March 4, 2013, 06:17 PM
Stealthcam gave me 2284 shots of nothing. i've adjusted it to the lowest sensitivity, but won't be able to check it again until the weekend.

i did notice an increase in hairy poop along the main trail though and across the same foot bridge i keep referencing. i called for about half an hour with a cheapo dancing decoy to no avail last week. if i ever do manage some pix with my walmart special truthcams, i will post to this thread.

they haven't run the deer out, there are still fresh tracks after a rain, but i'm still worried about the increases in tracks and dung.

buggers ain't welcome.

herkyguy
March 16, 2013, 09:07 AM
trailcams are really letting me down. i have two cheapo truthcams and they are not really giving me much, but here is an example of what i see each morning when i walk in.

this track was in some dirt wet from the frost the night before. by midday, it had dried out. that's my size ten snake boot on the right for comparison.

i really want to set an afternoon/evening aside and see if i can't get a few of these buggers to show their faces.

MtnCreek
March 18, 2013, 10:59 AM
Might try setting the trail cams up a little further from the trail. Yotes move at a pretty good clip; I've noticed I have a better chance getting the yote in the picture when the cam is further from the yote.

herkyguy
March 30, 2013, 08:48 PM
finally.... a photo to prove it. this one is about 20 yards from the camera. fresh crap every time i walk in all along my trails. the dirt has dried up more or less so it'll be tougher and tougher to find tracks.

MCgunner
April 1, 2013, 09:43 AM
We have yotes out the wazola here and deer out the waz, too. I'm not convinced the two are mutually exclusive. I had a pack practically in my front yard the other night about 10PM howling. Wife got some chicks and I built a pen/hutch for 'em. Kinda worried about the predators out there, not just yotes, but bobcat, owls, hawks, etc. I put a light on the scope of my .22 magnum. Might get me a few, yet. :D

If I really wanted to, I bet I could sack up the yotes around here with an electronic call. I have 20 acres of thick oak woods to hunt, here. But, I don't care much for hunting at night.

fdf
April 1, 2013, 11:03 AM
Contact your local game warden and ask him for the U.S. Govt. trapper 's name and phone number.

The trapper will remove them. I was killing a few, but he took 23 trapping.

Coyotes are nocturnal.

If you call one and miss, you have an educated coyote and it's mate.

You cannot hunt them out, they are too smart.

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