[Walt622]

When sent a question on why ammo no longer shows on their web site, this was the reply:




Hello ****,

Thank you for your recent inquiry. Walmart, like the rest of the country, has been engaged in a national dialogue about the responsible sale and regulation of firearms. We have had ongoing conversations with the Administration, Congress, Mayor Bloomberg’s office, sportsmen groups, suppliers and others to listen and share our thoughts and experiences.

Over the years we have been very purposeful about striking the right balance between serving hunters and sportsmen and ensuring that we sell firearms responsibly. In fact, we became a charter member of Mayor Bloomberg’s coalition against illegal guns and adopted the 10-point code established by the Responsible Firearms Retailer Partnership that goes beyond what the law requires. We have also spoken to the Vice President’s office to share our perspective.

We sincerely apologize that you are not able to see which store will have the ammunition in stock. To ensure your feedback/suggestion reaches the correct department, please visit our feedback section at the bottom right of the home page on Walmart.com and complete the short feedback form.

We take this issue very seriously and are committed staying engaged in this discussion as the Administration and Congress work toward a consensus on the right path forward.

Sincerely,
Walmart Customer Care


That does it for me with Walmart.

[Akita1]

Suggest blitzing their Feedback link on the bottom of their main web page; I just did, asking if the inability to find out which stores have ammo was selective (because I was able to do so with everything else I tested on the site). I will no longer shop at Wallys.

[r1derbike]

Same here, although I may turn turncoat and buy general merchandise in have-to situations (running out of toilet paper, always a bad deal, poor planning).

No more sporting goods purchases for me, and I've purchased mucho.

When the name Bloomberg came-up, my wallet snapped shut.

I hate hurting workers there because of something out their control, but I really should be buying from our LGSs anyway, and will start doing so.

[Queen_of_Thunder]

I would suggest stopping by your local walmart to speak with its manager. Tell him/her how much you spend yearly in their store on ammo and let them know that you will be going elsewhere to purchase your ammo. Follow that up with a call to their 1-800-wal-mart line and tell them the same thing. Then if you fill up to it stop buy to speak with the store manager with the reciept from your last non wal mart ammo purchase to drive your point home.

Every one should take a copy of a reciept for an ammo purchase from someplace other than walmart and send it to them with a note about how their policy impacts their sales.

[razorback2003]

What is wal mart doing as far as ammo? are you now not going to be able to buy ammo with cash?

It already has been a pain to buy ammo at the wal mart stores near me even before this panic because no one is ever in the ammo area to unlock the case.

[Coop45]

I have been an ex w-m shopper since they dropped handguns.

[soonerfan85]

Help me understand the issue here.

Is the issue that WM will no longer show what ammo is available on their website, or is it you don't like the names associated with the group of which WM is a part? I didn't even know you could search WM's website for current ammo inventory. Not that is matters much at present, since there is no inventory. :banghead:

[Jlr2267]

The Bloomberg coalition thing was done in 2008...what is new here?

I still see AR-15's on their website for goodness sake. If they have removed ammo from the search function, I am sure it is simply a logistics issue, not a political one

[hso]

Bought .22 there today, what's the issue?

[wow6599]

I bought some Winchester 5.56 a couple of days ago at WM. I will continue buying from them.

[TarDevil]

I really didn't see anything in the letter to drive me away. Nothing anti-2A that I can see.

[Grassman]

You people just need to quit looking for reasons to boycott Walmart, Just do it already, never shop there again and move on. Sick of hearing this crap, it's not about 2A, it's about some other reason you hate Walmart, this is just an excuse. Walmart is not the enemy here folks. :fire:

[brickeyee]

I am glad I have never actually set foot in a Walmart.

[MagnumDweeb]

As long as Walmart sells ammo cheaper than the competition I'll buy what I can there. As long as they don't actively pursue anti-gun policies I'll still shop there from time to time for necessities (I get my meats locally anyways, and i hit Costco like a fiend). As far as Walmart dipping in with Bloomberg. So what? They still sell ARs and while they may never sell pistols ever again, eh, such is life. It's sad but businesses have to be businesses and play the game to some degree.

I honestly wish they would make their three box limit permanent to keep out the dregs that sweep in and wipe out the ammo to resell it for a profit. If you want to sell ammo for a profit then buy it from a distributor. If you need to stock up you can always go to your LGS or go online. Shopping at Walmart is about picking up a few boxes before the weekend you plan on going shooting.

[Walt622]

My objection is with the line:
"We have had ongoing conversations with the Administration, Congress, Mayor Bloomberg’s office"

What does Mayor Bloomberg's office have to do with a Walmart store in Arkansas? If the NYC Walmart wants to bend over to Bloomberg, OK, fine. Just leave the rest of the country alone. The last thing I want is for my home town to be as "safe" as NYC.

Up until just a couple of days ago, you could go to Walmart's web site, and check the stock on ammo. Now, in order to appease the anti gun types, they have removed that ability. Can't upset the anti's sensibilities. (Ever notice that Academy Sports has stopped advertising guns? In this area, anyway.)

Seems I am ranting, sorry.

<<<Rant Off>>>

[dennymac]

Folks, Grassman says that wal-of-china mart is not the enemy. Well, I have a slightly different opinion. But, it is not all about guns and gun related items. Walmart was a good place when Sam was around. American made merchandise everywhere you looked. But, since his death the corporate folks have been steadily replacing everything that they can in the store with cheaper, trashy, chinese crap. The only thing that we, as consumers, can do is to hold their feet to the fire. When we purchase a piece of merchandise, and it turns out to be really junk, we HAVE to return the junk and demand our money back. Not just throw it away. We HAVE to make them give us something for our money. I shop at wal-of-china mart just as little as I can, and when I do, it is usually for groceries. When I shop for other things I make a real effort to find a product that is not chinese. Buying sneakers can be a real pain. Mine are Viet Namese, but they are NOT chinese. I buy Fruit of the Loom socks and underwear, made in America. We must do something, and this we can do. I hate Kroger because they want me to carry around an extra piece of plastic just to get the CORRECT price in their store. If I have to, I will buy groceries there. It is a short drive.
Meanwhile, give peace a chance.
I'll cover you, in case it doesn't work. DennyMac

[brickeyee]

Grassman says that wal-of-china mart is not the enemy

If ye love wealth greater than liberty, the tranquility of servitude greater than the animating contest for freedom, go home from us in peace. We seek not your counsel, nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains set lightly upon you; and may posterity forget that ye were our countrymen. – Samuel Adams


Is life so dear, or peace so sweet, as to be purchased at the price of chains and slavery? Forbid it, Almighty God! I know not what course others may take; but as for me, give me liberty or give me death! -Patrick Henry 


Remember, if you are one in a milli0n in China, there are 1400 other folks like you.

[bamajoey]

I really wish you folks that hate WM so much would just go to your local gun shop to spend your money and quit going to WM so the ones of us that like to get cheap ammo will have lots more. If you hate them so much, boycott and shut the heck up.:)

[Grassman]

Folks, Grassman says that wal-of-china mart is not the enemy. Well, I have a slightly different opinion. But, it is not all about guns and gun related items. Walmart was a good place when Sam was around. American made merchandise everywhere you looked. But, since his death the corporate folks have been steadily replacing everything that they can in the store with cheaper, trashy, chinese crap. The only thing that we, as consumers, can do is to hold their feet to the fire. When we purchase a piece of merchandise, and it turns out to be really junk, we HAVE to return the junk and demand our money back. Not just throw it away. We HAVE to make them give us something for our money. I shop at wal-of-china mart just as little as I can, and when I do, it is usually for groceries. When I shop for other things I make a real effort to find a product that is not chinese. Buying sneakers can be a real pain. Mine are Viet Namese, but they are NOT chinese. I buy Fruit of the Loom socks and underwear, made in America. We must do something, and this we can do. I hate Kroger because they want me to carry around an extra piece of plastic just to get the CORRECT price in their store. If I have to, I will buy groceries there. It is a short drive.
Meanwhile, give peace a chance.
I'll cover you, in case it doesn't work. DennyMac
OK then, where are you going to shop? Tell me one place that isn't infiltrated with Chinese crap? That's not Walmarts problem, that's America's problem. Our government and it's policies have made it so we can't compete with the world selling American made products. Why are you laying this at the feet of Walmart? I think it's ill advised until you look at the bigger problem. Believe you me I would much rather buy American made, but it's getting harder every day.

[Grassman]

**********

[r1derbike]

Help me understand the issue here.

Is the issue that WM will no longer show what ammo is available on their website, or is it you don't like the names associated with the group of which WM is a part? I didn't even know you could search WM's website for current ammo inventory. Not that is matters much at present, since there is no inventory. :banghead:The issue for me is Bloomberg and Walmart in the same sentence; very simple, really, and the realization I should be supporting my LGS, pretty simple as well.

[Inebriated]

My issue is that they jacked prices up on everything.

Ammo was the ONLY thing I'd buy there. Finally have the fire under my ass to go somewhere else.

[SleazyRider]

I am glad I have never actually set foot in a Walmart.
What? How to you keep up with fashion?

[Grassman]

– Samuel Adams


-Patrick Henry 


Remember, if you are one in a milli0n in China, there are 1400 other folks like you.
I believe I've been misquoted in the post.

[gym]

For me, if they happen to have what I want, and I am in the store "because it's next to Sams", where we stop in for bulk stuff once a week, I will purchase whatever is a "good deal" just like anywhere else. As long as I get what I need , that is more important than their policys, for me.
God forbid I didn't have some ammo when I needed it, I could reflect in the time I had left, why i didn't purchase it when it was in front of me.
Store policys only go so far, my family and friends safety come first. If it were an optional purchase and more expensive than I normally would choose to pay, then it may fall into that catagory of me not approving of their policys.

[BCCL]

I really wish you folks that hate WM so much would just go to your local gun shop to spend your money and quit going to WM so the ones of us that like to get cheap ammo will have lots more. If you hate them so much, boycott and shut the heck up

Well said.

[jmorris]

Hmm, kind of weird just went to their website for the first time and it shows the Walmart close to me to have 12 and 20ga game loads in stock. Looks like they sold out and took AR's off the site.

Have a question, where are you guys planning on shopping instead? Places that already quit selling even ammunition like, K mart, Target, Safeway (you'll have to be old to remember that one) and Sears?

[Vector]

When sent a question on why ammo no longer shows on their web site, this was the reply:




Hello ****,

Thank you for your recent inquiry. Walmart, like the rest of the country, has been engaged in a national dialogue about the responsible sale and regulation of firearms. We have had ongoing conversations with the Administration, Congress, Mayor Bloomberg’s office, sportsmen groups, suppliers and others to listen and share our thoughts and experiences.

Over the years we have been very purposeful about striking the right balance between serving hunters and sportsmen and ensuring that we sell firearms responsibly. In fact, we became a charter member of Mayor Bloomberg’s coalition against illegal guns and adopted the 10-point code established by the Responsible Firearms Retailer Partnership that goes beyond what the law requires. We have also spoken to the Vice President’s office to share our perspective.

We sincerely apologize that you are not able to see which store will have the ammunition in stock. To ensure your feedback/suggestion reaches the correct department, please visit our feedback section at the bottom right of the home page on Walmart.com and complete the short feedback form.

We take this issue very seriously and are committed staying engaged in this discussion as the Administration and Congress work toward a consensus on the right path forward.

Sincerely,
Walmart Customer Care


That does it for me with Walmart.

Would you be able to scan the letter (with your name blocked out) and post it here? I'd like to show a Wally World apologist the letter because he does not believe you actually received a letter saying they side with Bloomberg.

I believe you, but would like to shove the proof in his gob.

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[r1derbike]

There are two LGSs fairly close to me, one has a range, and I got my XD-S from them. They are the current blip on the radar for ammo and other sales now, but I have stock from 6 months and more ago that have to be used first.

I stocked-up before the lunacy set-in, both ammo and powder-burners.

[Vector]

I really didn't see anything in the letter to drive me away. Nothing anti-2A that I can see.

:rolleyes:

Hmmm, what about this part of the letter?

In fact, we became a charter member of Mayor Bloomberg’s coalition against illegal guns

What a liberal anti-gun govenor has to do with WM policies makes me wonder where their head is at.

_______________________________________

As long as Walmart sells ammo cheaper than the competition I'll buy what I can there.

So as long as you can save a few bucks, corporate principles and practices are irrelevant:confused:

WM has predatory and unscrupulous business practices that are well beyond this particular gun/ammo issue.

The sad truth about many WM customers is that they rail about jobs going overseas, yet they themselves contribute to the problem by going to a place that is infamous for helping to put American companies with plants in the USA out of business.
Yes good old Wally World has even joined lawsuits against American companies and in conjunction with the Chinese competitor. That was the last straw for me as it relates to WM. I'd rather pay a few extra dollars and stand on principle. It all boils down to putting your money where your mouth is, and not being a hypocrite.

I really wish you folks that hate WM so much would just go to your local gun shop to spend your money and quit going to WM so the ones of us that like to get cheap ammo will have lots more. If you hate them so much, boycott and shut the heck up.:)

Many of us do boycott Wally World, but that does not mean we will be silenced just because you do not want to hear/read our displeasure with their practices(see above).
Maybe you do not like reading it because you do not want to feel guilty about putting your wallet above your scruples.

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[Gordon_Freeman]

If Walmart is so bad, what about Target and Kmart? They don't even sell ammo.
I'll keep shopping at Walmart as long as they sell ammo.
I did submit a feedback form expressing my displeasure about the Bloomberg thing.

[radar1972]

If some of you don't want to go to Wal-Mart anymore, fine. I'll keep shopping there for ammo or whatever.

Once you start drawing lines in the sand to totally boycott certain businesses on a specific principle or incident, life can get tough. If you REALLY, REALLY stick by that principle, pretty soon you'll run out of places to buy ammo, firearms, clothes, food, toilet paper, tools, cars, appliances, whatever. We all exercise some degree of compromise every day of our lives, whether we realize it or not, consciously or sub-consciously.

[jamesbeat]

I live on Long Island, and my local Walmarts don't even sell ammo, or guns for that matter (they have a few airguns).
When I first moved here, I went to Walmart and couldn't find the ammo, so I asked an employee. He told me that since the store was in a mall they couldn't sell ammo, as it was against the mall's rules.
Turns out that that was BS however, because the other local Walmart doesn't sell it either, and that store is not in a mall.

[nazshooter]

My objection is with the line:
"We have had ongoing conversations with the Administration, Congress, Mayor Bloomberg’s office"

What does Mayor Bloomberg's office have to do with a Walmart store in Arkansas?

It looks like simple but kissing to me. In case you haven't noticed, staying in business today pretty much requires staying on the good side of the politicians.

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[blaisenguns]

I really wish you folks that hate WM so much would just go to your local gun shop to spend your money and quit going to WM so the ones of us that like to get cheap ammo will have lots more. If you hate them so much, boycott and shut the heck up

Once you start drawing lines in the sand to totally boycott certain businesses on a specific principle or incident, life can get tough. If you REALLY, REALLY stick by that principle, pretty soon you'll run out of places to buy ammo, firearms, clothes, food, toilet paper, tools, cars, appliances, whatever. We all exercise some degree of compromise every day of our lives, whether we realize it or not, consciously or sub-consciously.

In response to both of these, I have worked at Wal-Mart, and I am well versed with how they treat their people and their destructive corporate practices. I have successfully boycotted Wal-Mart in my life, I shop at Target and I get all my gun stuff through Shoot-Straight, Gander Mountain (not a big fan), local places and online.

On very rare occasions I do darken the door at Wal-Mart, but the very last time I needed bandages ASAP and they were the closest place that had them. It is only in a similar situation that I patronize them. I am loathe to say that despite my disdain for this company; it is impossible to escape them completely.

My compromise is going to Gander Mountain for reloading supplies (the staff is ignorant to say the least), and a local shop for my blanks (the staff is rude, to say the least). But I will not buy luxury items from Wal-Mart, and I would not by necessities unless they were my only choice.

[soonerfan85]

If I decided not to do business with WM because they no longer show ammunition inventory on their website, then I suppose I would definitely have to cease doing business with Sears, Target, Western Auto, K Mart, Sports Authority, JC Penney, Ace Hardware and just about any locally owned hardware store since at one time they all used to sell firearms but no longer do. Add to the list Dick's Sporting Goods since they stopped showing AR style rifles on their website, and Cabela's since they no longer sell AR style rifles in CT, Cheaper Than Dirt since they show Bushmasters with no sights in stock online for ONLY $1,900 and Academy Sports since they don't show AR style rifles on their website. I'm sure there are more but I have to be able to shop somewhere.

[Jlr2267]

Up until just a couple of days ago, you could go to Walmart's web site, and check the stock on ammo. Now, in order to appease the anti gun types, they have removed that ability.
There is no evidence this was done to appease anyone. Don't you think it possible there are more mundane explanations?

[Walt622]

There is no evidence this was done to appease anyone. Don't you think it possible there are more mundane explanations?

Other than in their reply, they did not state it was due to mundane reasons, but due to their alignment with the "Mayors Against Illegal Guns" group.

[Jlr2267]

Other than in their reply, they did not state it was due to mundane reasons, but due to their alignment with the "Mayors Against Illegal Guns" group.

Patently false. The quoted response did not say their alignment with the group had anything whatsoever to do with the disappearance of ammo from their search feature. You are connecting dots that aren't related.

Walmart joined that group in 2008 by the way.

[HOOfan_1]

Walmart could say they are financing Al-Quaeda and some people would still shop there.

I don't shop there because the one near me is a zoo...now that they state they support Bloomberg....I won't even consider them ever.

Bloomberg is a bigger tyrant than George III was. Closing on Oliver Cromwell level

[Jlr2267]

...now that they state they support Bloomberg....I won't even consider them
They openly supported him since 2008...where have you guys been?

[HOOfan_1]

Not shopping at Walmart......I haven't spent a dime at Walmart in at least 10 years.

[icanthitabarn]

I have 2-3, metal, X-Mass, fancy, .22 Rem. boxes. I think they may be 250 rds. a piece. I believe I got them for $3 a box on clearance around 2006. So do like I did.

[wriggly]

To suggest that we look up the store manager to complain is absurd. You would do better to just go to the mens room and take it up with the urinal, it too will flush your contribution after you turn your back to leave, but it won't lie to your face while spewing Walmart double speak.

I worked for Walmart, and the managers, and management in general are absolute idiots. I must say however, when I started working for them, I went to work in the sporting goods area because I thought helping like minded folks would be a refreshing experience.

Boy, was I ever wrong. I since retired, and no longer have to be subjected to the abuse of the self righteous public.

Work at Walmart for six months, and your whole outlook on the human race will change.

[rhinoh]

My personal guess- WalMart quit showing ammo stock because they were getting inundated with complaints about their inability to accurately show what is in stock.
I've made several trips to various local WalMarts to get ammo when it was shown in stock. Guess what? They didn't have it!
I've also stumbled across it at their stores, in stock, when their website showed they didn't have it.
I've had clerks there complain to me they were tired of people coming in to buy ammo and cussing them out when they don't have it.
So for now I stop at every single one I pass by in my daily travels, run in and take a quick peek. I was rewarded with several thousand rounds of .22 one lucky morning:)

As for WalMart managers- I followed a shoplifter out one morning with a $600 item under his arm bolting out the door, got the tag number and vehicle description. The manager did not care and did not even thank me for my trouble. Won't bother next time.

[BCCL]

When sent a question on why ammo no longer shows on their web site, this was the reply

Uh....search in the last 5 minutes.

http://www.walmart.com/search/search-ng.do?tab_value=all&search_query=.12+gauge&search_constraint=0&Find=Find&pref_store=216&ss=false&ic=16_16

[blaisenguns]

Work at Walmart for six months, and your whole outlook on the human race will change.

Amen brother. Except I always hated my coworkers more then the customers.

[jerkface11]

When I look it shows availability for ammo. Oddly Target and Kmart don't seem to sell ammo at all. What's up with that?

[blaisenguns]

Oddly Target and Kmart don't seem to sell ammo at all. What's up with that?

Thank Michael Moore for that.

[Akita1]

When I look it shows availability for ammo. Oddly Target and Kmart don't seem to sell ammo at all. What's up with that?
Target never has (at least not around here) and Kmart dropped guns & ammo years ago (again, around here).

[jerkface11]

Ohh are we boycotting them too? Or do we only do that for website glitches?

[leapfrog]

Bought 4 bricks of 22LR from WM went to academy and could only by a box of 50 per day.
So as long as WM plays fair I will buy.

[Akita1]

Ohh are we boycotting them too? Or do we only do that for website glitches?
Kmart caved in 2009 (http://www.cbsnews.com/2100-201_162-299156.html). Don't shop at Kmart/never have so can't answer that question.

As for Target, why would we if they never sold it? Target's sporting goods section blows anyway (OK, maybe some decent camping stuff - Coleman & Gerber mainly).

This thread appears to be about the largest ammo retailer in the country taking sides with the antis, not a "glitch". Wallys appears (key word here) to be doing it intentionally as confirmed by per some local Wally employees here (anecdotal of course). Why would it work for all of their other merch but suddenly not guns & ammo?

Perhaps a good solution is to frequent our small business LGS.

[HOOfan_1]

Target never has (at least not around here) and Kmart dropped guns & ammo years ago (again, around here).

Kmart is also on its last leg....I haven't shopped there since they dropped guns in my area. Anything they say about business decisions makes me laugh, because they have slowly killed themsleves for the past 15 years

Dropping guns and appliances killed Best Products too.

[jerkface11]

Akita it is working for guns and ammo. Maybe you should give it a try.

[Akita1]

Akita it is working for guns and ammo. Maybe you should give it a try.
??? - I'm a bit slow today.

[ljnowell]

I am glad I have never actually set foot in a Walmart.

If you live in America, you are lying.

As far as the other Wal Mart bashers. Keep bashing. I'll keep buying. My family being able to eat and have the necessary accessories is worth it to me. If it werent for Wal Mart I wouldnt be able to afford to provide many of the things my family needs.

[jerkface11]

I just tried it and it shows availability for guns and ammo.

[Akita1]

If you live in America, you are lying.

As far as the other Wal Mart bashers. Keep bashing. I'll keep buying. My family being able to eat and have the necessary accessories is worth it to me. If it werent for Wal Mart I wouldnt be able to afford to provide many of the things my family needs.
Do my best to frequent local small businesses, e.g. hardware, grocery, LGS, etc. Agree that sometimes it's impossible to avoid the big box for price, selection, convenience & availability.

[Cosmoline]

I have always hated Wal-Mart, and when I've warned about going to them to save a few $$ over your local dealer, I've been called a communist and a lot of other names.

I was right. Wal-Mart loyalists were wrong. I just hope you folks have local dealers to turn to now. I'll never shop there. Ever.

From April 15, 2004:

I am telling you to stop shopping there. If you enjoy terrible customer service and cruddy products, that's fine by me. But there is a political dimension to this when it comes to firearms. You trust in Wal-Mart AT YOUR PERIL! UNDERSTAND THIS!

http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=76860&page=2&highlight=Walmart

[Walt622]

I just tried it and it shows availability for guns and ammo.

You are right. Looks like they have put it back online. 3 days ago it was gone, when asked about it, Customer Service replied with the letter in the first post.

[Akita1]

I just tried it and it shows availability for guns and ammo.
OK, will check again for Central FL (haven't tried since my original post the other day)

[wriggly]

Amen brother. Except I always hated my coworkers more then the customers.

Thats a given. I was lucky that I had some good ones to work with though, that included a few really good looking ladies, and it was a pleasure helping them daily. Being older and considered mostly harmless when you get older is an advantage where young ladies are concerned, they give lots of hugs, and they blush and giggle when you tell them you want to marry them. :D

[jerkface11]

So like I said do we only boycott for website glitches?

[Akita1]

OK, will check again for Central FL (haven't tried since my original post the other day)
Just tried it; still not working for the stores closest to me. Oddly, it only showed 30-30 and 12G on the web site when I used "ammunition" or "ammo" as the keywords, and just said "in stores only" with no indication of local inventory. Lots of guns listed though (also "in stores only" of course). Could be a market thing - maybe they treat us differently in the "happiest place on Earth."

[HOOfan_1]

So like I said do we only boycott for website glitches?

Or should we just ignore the letter the OP posted?

I've got plenty of reasons not to shop at Walmart, and none of them have anything to do with China, or hurting small business, I've seen Chinese products which were better than US products, and if small businesses wanted to compete instead of complain, they would still be around.

Until last night, I didn't even know they were influenced by the Bloomberg gang, but that is good enough reason for me not to give them another chance.

The stores in my area are...congested, cluttered, and dirty.

Having to sit and wait 30 minutes to get ammo at a 8% discount isn't worth it to me either.

Like I said though, for all the people who love to hate Walmart, there are also those who love to hate, those who hate Walmart, and they would shop there even if Walmart was supporting Al-quaeda

[jerkface11]

Mine says "in stores only" then when I click on it I'm asked to select a size THEN it says if it's available or not.

[jerkface11]

Or should we just ignore the letter the OP posted?

If we boycott Walmart for involvement in Bloombergs group shouldn't we boycott Target for not having ammo at all? Or Sears for stopping sporting goods sales altogether? Or K-mart for dropping guns and ammo?

[Akita1]

Mine says "in stores only" then when I click on it I'm asked to select a size THEN it says if it's available or not.
Yep - did that on the 30-30 (150 gr or 170 gr) and got the result described above.

Back to the point - the OP was about siding with antis and guess we're a bit off topic on what are either technicalities or intentional selective treatment. In the end, I'll stick with bulk purchases from my LGS, as Wallys is limiting # of boxes to 3 in our area IF there is anything on the shelf.

Happy shooting!

[HOOfan_1]

If we boycott Walmart for involvement in Bloombergs group shouldn't we boycott Target for not having ammo at all? Or Sears for stopping sporting goods sales altogether? Or K-mart for dropping guns and ammo?

Umm...I already said I don't shop at K-Mart and haven't since they dropped guns in my area.

If Sears and Target come out and say they support Bloomberg...yeah I won't shop there either. Sears is a shell of its former self, and now they are tied to K-Mart...and their service sucks...so I hardly ever set foot there either.

[jerkface11]

And you think Target isn't anti gun? Let's see Walmart is so beholden to Bloomberg that they sell AR-15s. Target doesn't even sell TARGETS.

[Akita1]

Umm...I already said I don't shop at K-Mart and haven't since they dropped guns in my area.

If Sears and Target come out and say they support Bloomberg...yeah I won't shop there either. Sears is a shell of its former self, and now they are tied to K-Mart...and their service sucks...so I hardly ever set foot there either.
+1; haven't been to Sears in so many years I can't count and Kmart was always garbage so never went. Target's a different story in that they haven't taken anything from us (knowledge limitation on that one). If they do , I'll be consistent & take my $ elsewhere (see post #59).

[HOOfan_1]

I don't presume to tell ANYONE what they should do. I can decide for myself and let others decide for themselve what they are going to do. Anyone who mentions they side with Bloomberg is automatically on my crap list...

[Akita1]

And you think Target isn't anti gun? Let's see Walmart is so beholden to Bloomberg that they sell AR-15s. Target doesn't even sell TARGETS.
Good point! Always wondered why that was their name…will have to look it up but suspect it has little to do with firearms, perhaps archery…;)

[Akita1]

I don't presume to tell ANYONE what they should do. I can decide for myself and let others decide for themselve what they are going to do. Anyone who mentions they side with Bloomberg is automatically on my crap list...
Amen brother

[jerkface11]

Target is so anti-gun they won't even sell TOY guns. So yeah spend your money there.

[brickeyee]

If you live in America, you are lying.

You are full of it.

I have NEVER set foot in a Walmart store, and have no interest in doing so.

There are not a whole lot of them in the inner suburbs of Washington, DC.

There is one that was built in half of the Chantilly Expo center only a few years ago, but I have still never been in it.

I actually just payed $5 more to get a stone mortar and pestle for the kitchen instead of the cheaper chi-com ceramic one.

The stone one is made in Taiwan and has a rough enough bottom to actually work worth a damn.

[HOOfan_1]

Target is so anti-gun they won't even sell TOY guns. So yeah spend your money there.

They don't???

http://www.target.com/s/nerf#?lnk=Utility_TOYS_123012_X0Y3W4|X0Y3W4

http://www.target.com/QuickInfoView?partNumber=13473517&catEntryId=203094258&productId=203094257&categoryId=23505&overlayId=QuickView&validation=true&position=targetCenter&slotPosition=large%3a1%3a25&omnitureSuperCatgValue=toys:dress up & pretend play&lnk=plp_qi_grid_1_25

I don't even look unfavorably on anyone who chooses to shop at Walmart...because I simply don't care what others decide to do. I do find it funny that they seem to be a sacred cow to some people though.

[jerkface11]

They refuse to sell realistic toy guns. You finding a goofy nerf gun doesn't prove a thing.

[Akita1]

OK, but my 7 year old loves them (Nerfs) because he can shoot them at his sister and they don't put holes in my walls…can't do that with his airsoft or bb guns with which he has become so proficient. Plus they have repeaters and shotgun-style cocking mechanisms!

Not sure "realistic toy guns" proves anything either. If a cop can't tell the difference and a kid points one playing…

The Mods will likely be shutting this one down soon as we're WAY off topic now. Enjoyed the debate all!

[jerkface11]

Here is what their partnership with Bloomberg means. http://www.mayorsagainstillegalguns.org/html/partnership/partnership.shtml

[Akita1]

Here is what their partnership with Bloomberg means. http://www.mayorsagainstillegalguns.org/html/partnership/partnership.shtml
Soooo, nothing more than they already do?

[jerkface11]

Yeah barely more than the ATF requires.

[Akita1]

Yeah barely more than the ATF requires.
Roger that - thanks for the link.

[Grassman]

Ok guys, I'll throw it out there again. Tell me another store that is not inundated with Chinese made merchandise. It's not out there, Walmart is no different in that respect. This is America's problem, not just Walmart. Tell me another major outlet(other than outdoor type stores) that are still selling guns and ammo? I think most of your anger towards Walmart is unfounded, other than hating the biggest richest guy on the block, just because.

[blaisenguns]

I think most of your anger towards Walmart is unfounded, other than hating the biggest richest guy on the block, just because.


Dude you are wrong. They have horrible practices that are of questionable legality, and are known for pushing there suppliers so hard to lower their prices it forces them to offshore. They even HELPED several companies locate there factories in China. It is not unfounded, they are bad for this country.

[Grassman]

Dude you are wrong. They have horrible practices that are of questionable legality, and are known for pushing there suppliers so hard to lower their prices it forces them to offshore. They even HELPED several companies locate there factories in China. It is not unfounded, they are bad for this country.
I guess you need to go to Target then. Good luck with all that.

[blaisenguns]

I posted this on the second page:

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I really wish you folks that hate WM so much would just go to your local gun shop to spend your money and quit going to WM so the ones of us that like to get cheap ammo will have lots more. If you hate them so much, boycott and shut the heck up

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Once you start drawing lines in the sand to totally boycott certain businesses on a specific principle or incident, life can get tough. If you REALLY, REALLY stick by that principle, pretty soon you'll run out of places to buy ammo, firearms, clothes, food, toilet paper, tools, cars, appliances, whatever. We all exercise some degree of compromise every day of our lives, whether we realize it or not, consciously or sub-consciously.

In response to both of these, I have worked at Wal-Mart, and I am well versed with how they treat their people and their destructive corporate practices. I have successfully boycotted Wal-Mart in my life, I shop at Target and I get all my gun stuff through Shoot-Straight, Gander Mountain (not a big fan), local places and online.

On very rare occasions I do darken the door at Wal-Mart, but the very last time I needed bandages ASAP and they were the closest place that had them. It is only in a similar situation that I patronize them. I am loathe to say that despite my disdain for this company; it is impossible to escape them completely.

My compromise is going to Gander Mountain for reloading supplies (the staff is ignorant to say the least), and a local shop for my blanks (the staff is rude, to say the least). But I will not buy luxury items from Wal-Mart, and I would not by necessities unless they were my only choice.
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[Akita1]

Ok guys, I'll throw it out there again. Tell me another store that is not inundated with Chinese made merchandise. It's not out there, Walmart is no different in that respect. This is America's problem, not just Walmart. Tell me another major outlet(other than outdoor type stores) that are still selling guns and ammo? I think most of your anger towards Walmart is unfounded, other than hating the biggest richest guy on the block, just because.
Not the case for me at all, in fact that is what I strive to be myself: the most successful & the best at what I do.

For me personally, none of this has anything at all to do with knocking anyone off a hill. Not my deal in any way, shape or form. I was just ticked at them IF they're getting in with the antis full bore (so to speak), and they DID screw with the ammo location feature in my market for over a week - it looked bad/reactionary in my view.

Jerkface posted a link above (#81) that shows that what they say they're planning to do with this Bloomberg thing appears to be nothing more intrusive than they already do/we already experience when doing non-private sales (at least here in FL). In fact, most if it seems to be redundant.

Target is a comp, yes, but they're more of an upmarket big box and serve a bit of a different segment than Wallys.

[Jlr2267]

Dude you are wrong. They have horrible practices that are of questionable legality, and are known for pushing there suppliers so hard to lower their prices it forces them to offshore. They even HELPED several companies locate there factories in China. It is not unfounded, they are bad for this country.

Pretty much everything you have said here can be said of all major corporations in the US. How is WMart different from GM, GE, Apple, Dell, Ford, Boeing, Macy's, and on and on?

[blaisenguns]

Pretty much everything you have said here can be said of all major corporations in the US. How is WMart different from GM, GE, Apple, Dell, Ford, Boeing, Macy's, and on and on?

Well wall mart has not adopted a TQM initiative that ha made them a leader in quality in there market (Ford), Wal-Mart does not treat there employees with respect or even compensate them fairly. And GE ,Apple, and Dell have all off shored, but the did not twist their suppliers arms to off shore. Macy's has not put thousands of small retailers out of business, and destroyed lives and natural habitats with the help of "Eminent Domain".

Compared to Wal-Mart, all these companies are models of perfect corporate ethics. I mean look at how Ford's customer service and products have improved in the last 10 years! How has Wal-Marts customer service gone in the last 10 years?

[silicosys4]

Wal-Mart is different from other large chain stores in their treatment of their employees. Google "Wal-Mart Lawsuits" then google "Wal-Mart unionize". Research how the wages paid to Wal-Mart employees are so low, and the benefits are so poor, that Wal-Mart employees with a family are basically forced to apply for government assistance to survive. They offshore to China. So their employees have to apply for welfare, their goods are made in china, yea...
They are bad for the community.
I did an economic analysis of the impact of Wal-Mart stores on the communities they invade for my macroeconomics class in school...haven't shopped there since for anything except ammo and reloading supplies.
The place is evil if you research the beast.

[Grassman]

You do realize that Walmart gets sued like every 27 seconds or sum such worldwide. Goes with the territory.

[Bubbles]

Here is what their partnership with Bloomberg means. http://www.mayorsagainstillegalguns....tnership.shtml
I disagree with numbers 2, 3, and 9.

#2 - If the authorities trace a gun it's usually because it was stolen, not because the person who received it from me did something illegal.

#3 - If in fact the person who did get the gun from me flipped it to someone he shouldn't have and the gun was traced, this will tip off that buyer that the authorities have investigated him.

#9 - The three day rule is in place so that the feds can't completely shut down dealers by delaying all NICS checks indefinitely.

[ljnowell]

Do my best to frequent local small businesses, e.g. hardware, grocery, LGS, etc. Agree that sometimes it's impossible to avoid the big box for price, selection, convenience & availability.


I do also. I try to buy as much as possible from locally owned businesses. For example, I never buy a gun from walmart. I prefer to give that business to my LGS. I have a good one in my town. Me not buying guns from walmart wont close them down, not buying from my LGS could cause that, so I dont. Let me be clear though, if he started charging me 600 for gun that I could buy for 400 from walmart, I'm going to walmart. My support of local businesses ends when it starts to become charity.

I dont buy hardly any ammo, because I am a reloader, but what little I do buy I will pay extra at the gun shop. When it comes to necessities though, like toilet paper, shampoo, soap, laundry detergent, etc. I will not pay 50% more for these items, I cannot afford to. A once in a while purchase like a gun, sure, not the things I need everyday, I cannot afford it.

[gunlover_06]

You people just need to quit looking for reasons to boycott Walmart, Just do it already, never shop there again and move on. Sick of hearing this crap, it's not about 2A, it's about some other reason you hate Walmart, this is just an excuse. Walmart is not the enemy here folks. :fire:
Could not have said it better, I was in Walmart last night and picked up 80 rounds of American Eagle 223 ammo and could have gotten more if I wanted to but it's also good to be in with the guy who runs the department and I have a Daughter who is a pharmacy tech at this same store.
Sp like you I think they have other reasons to waant to boycot Walmart so just do it it leaves more ammo for us, Of course that is when they have it but like most places they are running short also.
Plus they got in 3 new AR's 2 colt Le 6920's and a bush master and not at inflated prices like we are seeing every where else

[ljnowell]

Wal-Mart is different from other large chain stores in their treatment of their employees. Google "Wal-Mart Lawsuits" then google "Wal-Mart unionize". Research how the wages paid to Wal-Mart employees are so low, and the benefits are so poor, that Wal-Mart employees with a family are basically forced to apply for government assistance to survive. They offshore to China. So their employees have to apply for welfare, their goods are made in china, yea...
They are bad for the community.
I did an economic analysis of the impact of Wal-Mart stores on the communities they invade for my macroeconomics class in school...haven't shopped there since for anything except ammo and reloading supplies.
The place is evil if you research the beast.

I'm sorry, but thats the last reason I would not shop at walmart. You are not entitled to a wage large enough to support a family simply because you work. If you want a job that makes enough money to support a family on that single income then learn some skills, better yourself, and get a better job. You sound just like the democrats that want to raise minimum wage in IL to 10 dollars an hour. That entire wage increase will be eaten up by retailers raising thier prices to cover the costs. You may make more money but you dollar will be worth less. Thats a net loss in income in many cases.

Unions=higher consumer prices.

[alan]

Re Walmart, there ids one factor that drives their actions or antics, that is PROFIT, end of story. Most any decision taken, that they come to feel will or might hurt their sacred BOTTOM LINE is, I suspect, subject to change.

[ljnowell]

Re Walmart, there ids one factor that drives their actions or antics, that is PROFIT, end of story. Most any decision taken, that they come to feel will or might hurt their sacred BOTTOM LINE is, I suspect, subject to change.

OMG, a business thats concerned with making profits, how horrible! I bet thier stockholders would be disgusted to know that they are concerned with making as much money as possible!

[Akita1]

OMG, a business thats concerned with making profits, how horrible! I bet thier stockholders would be disgusted to know that they are concerned with making as much money as possible!
and a PUBLIC one at that, which is driven entirely by Earnings Per Share!

[KTXdm9]

Re Walmart, there ids one factor that drives their actions or antics, that is PROFIT, end of story. Most any decision taken, that they come to feel will or might hurt their sacred BOTTOM LINE is, I suspect, subject to change.
Are you claiming this is a bad thing?

[blaisenguns]

I'm sorry, but thats the last reason I would not shop at walmart. You are not entitled to a wage large enough to support a family simply because you work. If you want a job that makes enough money to support a family on that single income then learn some skills, better yourself, and get a better job. You sound just like the democrats that want to raise minimum wage in IL to 10 dollars an hour. That entire wage increase will be eaten up by retailers raising thier prices to cover the costs. You may make more money but you dollar will be worth less. Thats a net loss in income in many cases.


It is not just about poor wages, it is about how they treat their people overall. They act like slave driers for the few that actually work, and then turn a blind eye to the rest of the lazy employees. When I worked their my tittle was cashier(and I was good at it), but I ended up pulling up the carts in the lot because the guy the hired to do it was mentally challenged and could not figure it out. Did they move him elsewise? Fire him? No, he did nothing while I did his job. The same with the people unloading the trucks, and the people who were supposed to do stock, and the people who put the shelves up. Plus they hire a lot of undocumented workers just because they are cheap. Then there was one guy I worked with that they "forgot" to pay him for 6 months. So yeah...

[BCCL]

When Target first came to our town about 15 years ago, they sold ammo, it was odd because it was only Winchester brand and it was regular boxes, but inside blister packs that hung on the rack and you just took them to the front and checked out with all your other merchandise. That was for about 3-4 months after they opened and then it was gone, and I later learned the whole chain had stopped selling ammo.

[nazshooter]

It is not just about poor wages, it is about how they treat their people overall....

I can't speak for how your store was run but I can say that what you describe is nothing like the stores in my area and would simply be impossible at the one I'm most familiar with. What makes you think that if you chose 1000 non-Walmart stores around the country you would't see the same issues at some of them?

As far as I can tell, Walmart is one of the few places left where you can start off at the bottom and work your way into a decent middle class career without a degree (and much higher if you do get a degree).

Just to keep this on topic, I notice that they have a pretty good price on the evil 25 round 10/22 (Butler Creek steel lips @ $25) magazines.

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[Akita1]

Shelves remain bare here

[Akita1]

accidental repeat

[Jlr2267]

It is not just about poor wages, it is about how they treat their people overall.

Horrific things like

turn a blind eye to the rest of the lazy employees.

the guy they hired to do it was mentally challenged

Did they move him elsewise? Fire him? No

Plus they hire a lot of undocumented workers

Monsters, those Walmart managers!

[Cranky CJ]

uhm, moderators? Have you gone completely to sleep? A Wal-Mart bashing thread accomplishes exactly what to "The High Road" ?

Love'em or hate'em, too many shop at em to bash em.

[Jorg]

uhm, moderators? Have you gone completely to sleep?
Perhaps you consider utilizing the report function that notifies the moderators instead of complaining about the staff not psychically realizing this thread offended your sensibilities.

We do have lives and don't monitor every thread on the forum, but if you report the thread, we certainly will make every effort to evaluate your complaint and act in a timely manner.

That said, it seems this thread has outlived its usefulness and has wandered far beyond the scope of firearms discussion.