SKS Rifle training?


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ccsniper
February 13, 2013, 08:19 PM
I know somewhere there is some communist training manual on this rifle. I am not talking about the rifle take down manual I mean combat training for this rifle. The Russians used it for some time, along with the Chinese so one of them has to have a combat system for the gun right? Or am I out of luck?

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stubbicatt
February 13, 2013, 10:03 PM
Good question.

ID-shooting
February 13, 2013, 10:19 PM
"One comrade has ammo, one comrade has rifle. Run toward enemy. If you stop or turn back, we shoot you."

I think that about covers it.

119er
February 13, 2013, 11:25 PM
The best I've found is "The SKS Carbine (CKC45g)" by Steve Kehaya and Joe Poyer. This is mostly a brief history and then into the collector aspects of the rifle. (Serial numbers, Different features, etc.) I was also able to find an old Army TM manual on how to load, fire, clear.

This also may be more what you're looking for.

http://www.amazon.com/Official-SKS-Manual-U-S-S-R-Army/dp/0873649087/ref=pd_bxgy_b_img_a#_

bigfatdave
February 14, 2013, 12:23 AM
interesting question - subscribed in hope of concrete info

Something like the superb US Army "Shooting The M1 Rifle" videos would be spiffy as well. (check out archive.org if you don't know what I'm talking about)

EstPA
February 14, 2013, 09:28 AM
There are lots of pictures of training and use but I have never seen a written training program. I would think they exist but maybe they are still classified.

Some of the techniques shown are quite interesting.

http://i14.tinypic.com/2zxqtlc.jpg

mbenepe
February 14, 2013, 10:28 AM
Training Circular TC56 dated 1969 should cover your needs, available for free on the internet.

Dr. Leaky
February 14, 2013, 11:15 AM
mbenepe is right - here's the link
http://pdf.textfiles.com/manuals/MILITARY/united_states_army_tc_9-56%20-%201_october_1969.pdf

NeuseRvrRat
February 14, 2013, 02:29 PM
that isn't much more than a how-to-make-the-SKS-go-bang manual

taliv
February 14, 2013, 02:34 PM
yeah, i assumed the OP was looking for something similar to the ubiquitous high-speed AR15 training.

e.g. what does immediate action, remedial action drill look like with an SKS?

i don't want to unnecessarily disparage any military that's ever fielded an SKS, but uhh... I would be surprised if they had anything that represented best practices. They just didn't seem to think like that back then.

MK11
February 14, 2013, 03:20 PM
Great topic! I was just thinking about this since my SKS may very well end up being the only rifle I own if certain legislators get their way.

I wonder if the SKS would be acceptable in something like Randy Cain's Practical Rifle class (http://pistol-forum.com/showthread.php?5983-Randy-Cain-s-Practical-Rifle). That's usually bolts and lever actions, but maybe running stripper clips fits in.

Ro1911
February 14, 2013, 03:31 PM
Buy an M1 garand combat training manual, they should be very similar. You just run it like you would any fixed magazine gun. Oh and the Russians really didn't "train" people back then lol, it was more like here is a rifle go shoot people type mentality.

119er
February 14, 2013, 04:24 PM
If none of these suggestions work for you modify what you already know about a system that is familiar to you. These are simple and robust machines. The suggestion about the M1 relation is a good one IMO. They key here is to train with the rifle. Buy some snap caps to induce stoppages and learn the elevation settings needed for different ranges. In my experience the graduations are good enough to hit a 8" circle out to 200. That's as far as I can clearly use the original sights effectively.

Good luck trying to get the SKS to malfunction though. I've had five of them and when the cosmoline is removed I have not had a single malfuntion to date from any of them. Even the one that had all the Tapco stuff.

BTW I've had better reliability loading from clips by grasping the rifle with my left hand in such a manner that my left thumb is putting very light forward pressure on the back of the stripper clip just above the bolt carrier and sliding the cartridges in with the side of my right thumb against the front of the stripper clip and the pad of my thumb on the cartridge.

Sam Cade
February 14, 2013, 04:35 PM
e.g. what does immediate action, remedial action drill look like with an SKS?


For a Chinese SKS it would go something like this:


If glorious implement of perpetual revolution fails to smite capitalist running-dog with pure fury of socialist class struggle, extend bayonet and charge the foreign colonialist lackeys while screaming WEI RENMIN FUWU!

If you survive, report for re-education.

bigfatdave
February 14, 2013, 09:20 PM
Good luck trying to get the SKS to malfunction though.True.
Barring an ammunition-related malfunction, the design is pretty robust and over-engineered.

Having a primer cup blow off and stick to the bolt face roght over the FP hole was by far the most baffling malfunction I ever experienced with any gun, but it was hardly the gun's fault.

NeuseRvrRat
February 14, 2013, 10:57 PM
put some tech sights on it, too

hueyville
February 14, 2013, 11:03 PM
The U.S. Army published several good books on Soviet Army operations and tactics all the way down to the individual rifleman. It's a very good read. They also have several Soviet weapons training manuals. I have quite a few of these from my college ROTC days. What exactly do you want? Can copy a chapter or two for you.

bigfatdave
February 14, 2013, 11:10 PM
put some tech sights on it, too Oh yes, that's the best thing you can do to an SKS, in my opinion.

Swampman
February 15, 2013, 03:31 AM
Originally posted by 119er
Good luck trying to get the SKS to malfunction though. I've had fiveof them and when the cosmoline is removed I have not had a single malfuntion to date from any of them. Even the one that had all the Tapco stuff.

No luck needed, just insert a Promag 30 round magazine and you'll have all the jams you could possibly desire! :evil:

Seriously though, to make loading the standard magazine easier with stripper clips, just use a brass brush to clean all the areas on the clips that actually contact the cartridge case. Then hit 'em with a little spray silicone lube, let dry and then remove any excess lube with a rag. You'll be surprised at how much easier they are to load.

bigfatdave
February 15, 2013, 04:23 AM
No luck needed, just insert a Promag 30 round magazine and you'll have all the jams you could possibly desire!

I'd like to take a moment to thank all the shooters who learned that lesson for me, saving me a lot of time wasted and a lot of frustration

to make loading the standard magazine easier with stripper clips, just use a brass brush to clean all the areas on the clips that actually contact the cartridge case. Then hit 'em with a little spray silicone lube, let dry and then remove any excess lube with a rag.
I have a pile of crummy stripper clips awaiting that treatment.

I have a much larger pile of stripper clips that work, most of those are full of ammo - so refurbishing the crummy stripper clips is sort of low priority. Maybe after I get all of the good ones loaded up and neatly arranged, I'll get to the refurb project.

A glove or even just a quick wrap around the thumb with bandage tape makes unloading the clip/loading the gun easier as well, you can stop worrying about ripping up your skin while you slide the rounds downwards. Once you master reloading that fast, you can shoot the gun nonstop until smoke comes out of the gas system cover. The occasional "mad minute" is just plain fun, I bounced an old aluminum pan around the backstop for about 50 rounds worth last time I had the SKS out

THUD <clang> THUD <clang> THUD <clang> (giggle) THUD <clang> THUD <clang> THUD <clang> (giggle) THUD <clang> THUD <clang> THUD <clang> (giggle) THUD <clang> (giggle)
... repeat as needed

stubbicatt
February 15, 2013, 10:15 AM
I can imagine that in any serious social encounter in which one would have a rifle, cover would be highly desired. With the SKS it would command a premium in my mind, as the reload procedure is more frequent, and more time consuming.

bubba in ca
February 15, 2013, 10:34 PM
Keep in mind the SKS was a second-string rifle from almost the day it was born, in the realm of guards, police, and colonial (oops, I mean liberation, soldiers).

Durable, shoots a good bullet, but not first-line troop material. If you can manage blockages, field stripping and cleaning, and use of stripper clips you should be in good shape.

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