Which caliber for ranch hand


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ThusEver2Tyrants
February 14, 2013, 01:00 AM
So me and my woman decided to go halvsies on a ranch hand. She wants it and I want it. Before anyone comes out and says it isnt practical let me just say that im not interested in opinions on its practicality only on the caliber. ;)

I have a sp101 in 357 and a judge so its between the 45 colt and the .357. I know 357 and 38s are cheaper which is why I lean to it, but my woman loves the 45..

My question is what are yalls experience with the gun In the aforementioned calibers and are they known to have problems with one or the other chamberings.

Thanks!!!!!!

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ColtPythonElite
February 14, 2013, 01:08 AM
Intended use?

BemidjiDweller
February 14, 2013, 01:23 AM
but my woman loves the 45..

There's the answer to your question :uhoh:

Seriously, I would go with .38/.357. Only because it's cheaper factory ammo. I'm not sure how expensive 45Colt is to load, so I can't say which is cheaper there.

Dnaltrop
February 14, 2013, 01:44 AM
If you reload, .45 colt.

I'm 90% sure the missus tricked me into buying a 1911 for her this last week, .45 of any stripe seems to have that effect. ;)

2zulu1
February 14, 2013, 02:43 AM
The only ranch hands I know work on ranches and ride horses. I like my 686P in a shoulder rig when on the tractor or saddle, 158JHPs or 170gr Keith bullet. 357/44mag and 45 Colt are popular calibers here for those who spend a lot of time in the wild. :)

bigfatdave
February 14, 2013, 04:29 AM
Make the Mrs happy - priority #1

I will point out that if the intended use is as a toy, Henry makes a similar gun in .22lr as well as centerfire versions. That's what I have, because such a gun is purely a toy for me, and I have more fun with it shooting CCI .22 CB shorts than anything else.

M2 Carbine
February 14, 2013, 05:32 AM
I bought the 38/357 because I load 38/357.
http://i1183.photobucket.com/albums/x464/Bell-helicopter-407/RossiRH-1.jpg


The gun is so much fun I was stacking up a lot of 38 brass.
I thought, I wish there is a 22.
So shortly I bought the 22.:)
http://i1183.photobucket.com/albums/x464/Bell-helicopter-407/HenryMaresLeg22.jpg


A few days ago the LGS got a 45 Colt in trade.
If I was into 45 LC I would buy that gun to.


So, IMO, for fun you can't go wrong with any caliber.
The big calibers are cool but can be right costly, even if you reload.


but my woman loves the 45..
Women like the Mares Leg, or maybe it's just Steve McQueen they like. :D

bannockburn
February 14, 2013, 06:18 AM
I would go with one in .357 as I have lots of brass and components to reload that caliber; not so much so with the .45LC. Go with whatever caliber best suits your needs.

Or whichever one your wife likes best.

Coyote3855
February 14, 2013, 10:10 AM
Everyone should buy and shoot whatever floats their boat. But I find optics on a .22 Ranch Hand a very strange combination. Just sayin'.

ThusEver2Tyrants
February 14, 2013, 02:07 PM
Coltpythonelite,

Its intended use will be just a cool range toy and possibly a truck gun (I work the nightshift at a all mobile locksmith company) but pretty much just for fun. My woman loves mcqueen, john wayne, and lever actions in general.

BlindJustice
February 14, 2013, 02:09 PM
How much does the Ranch Hand go for?

I have a Marlin 1894 Carbine 20" octagonal Bbl in .45 Colt

I also have a S&W Model 60 .357 Mag 3" Bbl. and
.45 Colt runs a lot more than .38 Spcl/.357 Mag. last
.45 Colt I priced - $42 / 50 rds of Fed American Eagle
and some better stuff at $49 per 50.

R-

Greg528iT
February 14, 2013, 02:22 PM
45 Colt. just cause. :)

DPris
February 14, 2013, 02:40 PM
The .44 Mag is not pleasant to shoot in one.
.357 Mag, especially if you already reload, is a decent choice.
Mine is a .45 Colt. With standard velocity loads it's not intolerable & I do reload for the caliber.
Denis

BSA1
February 14, 2013, 05:53 PM
Josh Randell's was a 45...

Jorg Nysgerrig
February 14, 2013, 06:05 PM
What nobody has is time enough to be truly skilled with every type of gun, along with all the other things life throws at you. When you spend time with one type, it can't be spend on the types that really matter. Which is your ccw pistol and your shtf/fighting rifle.
niho, you may wish to consider the concept that not everyone is shooting to become a master of every type of firearm and that they just might enjoy the variety.

Please don't derail this thread any further. If you don't see the utility in this time of firearm, feel free to move on. No one is forcing you to contribute to this discussion.

DPris
February 14, 2013, 06:38 PM
Actually, Randall's was a .44-40. :)
Denis

MedWheeler
February 14, 2013, 06:54 PM
Niho, did you miss the following in the OP's query?

Before anyone comes out and says it isnt practical let me just say that im not interested in opinions on its practicality only on the caliber.

khegglie
February 14, 2013, 06:54 PM
Shooting full bore .44 magnums out of the ranch hand is an experience fo sho! Don't hold it near your face.

bluetopper
February 14, 2013, 06:58 PM
44 Magnum......so very versatile.

BYJO4
February 14, 2013, 06:59 PM
Since this is purely a fun gun, I would get the 38/357 as it will cost less to shoot.

BSA1
February 14, 2013, 07:50 PM
Actually, Randall's was a .44-40

I disagree. The rounds he was carry on his cartridge belt were 45 extra extra long. They were rare special made cartridges for only a few Old West bounty hunters knew about. <];-)

bigfatdave
February 14, 2013, 08:03 PM
wow. can't see any reason for such a gun? I'd either want a rifle (folding stock if it need to be short) or a pistol (if you want real "handiness" and speed into action. This thing has nothing like the accuracy of a real rifle, so why put up with the weight and bulk? I just can't see it. for fun

See, guys, it's not just about money. What nobody has is time enough to be truly skilled with every type of gun, along with all the other things life throws at you. When you spend time with one type, it can't be spend on the types that really matter. Which is your ccw pistol and your shtf/fighting rifle. Shouldn't you be spending time working on your warrior skills, rather than complaining about how others spend their time on the range?
Not every gun needs to have a dedicated serious role. Some are for fun.
... although when the zombies come, I intend to slap the action of my .22lr mare's leg onto the stock from a Henry rifle - just as soon as the FBATFE gets out of the firearms business.

BCRider
February 14, 2013, 08:26 PM
If you don't already reload your own and you are adamant about not reloading then stick with the .357 model At least .357Mag is cheaper than .45Colt.

If you don't mind getting into reloading at least on a smaller scale then by all means go for the .45Colt version.

Reloads for .38 or .357 will cost you around 12 to 14 cents each. Or about $6 to $6.50 per 50rnds. The bigger and heaver bullets for .45Colt will push the price up to around 18 to 20 cents a round or $9 to $10 per 50.

The initial outlay for the loading equipment and brass seems a trifle steep. But at the prices noted above for the actual consumable primer, powder and bullet you can see that it won't take long to pay off the loading gear and brass and realize some serious cost savings. ESPECIALLY when you look around at the price of ANY sort of .45Colt ammo.

It's weird but you can literally load .357Mag up for only a penny more than .38Spl since all the stuff is the same other than you use a little more powder.

You'll likely find that the Ranch Hand in .357 is best used with the Magnum size brass even if you load down to Special power. I shoot the same action for cowboy action. And with the .38Spl brass there's a tendency to stand the round up poking at the clouds instead of chambering. Using Magnum length brass really cuts this down a LOT.

Regardless of which caliber you get there's some great info to be found by doing a google for "rossi trigger job". One of the first hits will be a great article detailing how to slick up the Win '92 style action that the Ranch Hand uses. It really does make a BIG difference. My own Rossi was OK even out of the box. But slicking it up has made it into a life long keeper even if I were to leave CAS events for some reason.

David E
February 14, 2013, 08:38 PM
There are times for serious guns, but there are times for fun guns, too!

It's refreshing to ponder "what fun gun do I want" instead of "what new gun should I buy to defend myself with?"

I vote .38/.357 on the ranch hand. Cheaper ammo means more shooting which means more fun!

Texan Scott
February 14, 2013, 10:42 PM
Tell your wife that if you get the .38/.357 model, the money you save can go toward a SBR tax stamp and full stock... just sayin'...

DPris
February 14, 2013, 11:01 PM
Well....if you're being facetious, then yeah- Randall's ML fired .45 Superlongs. :)
Otherwise, the guns were original 92s, which were never originally chambered in .45 Colt.
Denis

Mainsail
February 14, 2013, 11:07 PM
I got one in .44 magnum because I reload that caliber.

http://www.topohiker.com/FS/Lever2.png

JEB
February 14, 2013, 11:08 PM
i would go with the .357 version just for cheaper shooting

M2 Carbine
February 15, 2013, 10:20 PM
Everyone should buy and shoot whatever floats their boat. But I find optics on a .22 Ranch Hand a very strange combination. Just sayin'.
Strange combination?
Maybe not if your eyes are 75 years old.:D

I put the Red Dot on the 22 because it is capable of decent accuracy at some distance but not if I use the iron sights.
http://i1183.photobucket.com/albums/x464/Bell-helicopter-407/HenryML.jpg

M2 Carbine
February 15, 2013, 10:30 PM
Good looking rig Mainsail.:)

ThusEver2Tyrants
February 16, 2013, 12:03 AM
Thanks everyone for your input!!! Like I said its just cool and fun...no need for practicality. I have more serious rifles and handguns for serious work. And texanscott that is a great idea!!!

We have decided to go with the 357. I do not reload yet so I think it will be a lot cheaper for now. Hell maybe ill buy another in 45 down the road! Lol

Mainsail, that rig is beautiful...does it go on the side of the thigh? And where can I get a quality thigh rig for this thing?

BSA1
February 16, 2013, 09:16 AM
Just a late thought before you go buy the .357 Magnum version. Magnum factory ammunition is expensive and for most shooters not much fun for regular target shooting and plinking. One of the biggest advantages of a firearm chambered in .357 magnum is it allows for use of .38 Specials which depending on the load selected is much cheaper and much easier to shoot.

One of the big disadvantages of lever action rifles is due to the nature of their design they do not feed .38 Specials well due to the shorter o.a.l. of .38's. If it is your intention to use .38's in this gun you are probably headed for a big disappointment.

M2 Carbine
February 16, 2013, 10:33 AM
If it is your intention to use .38's in this gun you are probably headed for a big disappointment.
Not necessarily. My Rossi handles 38 Special 158gr lead SWC just fine.
I'd guess I shoot at least a hundred 38 to one .357.

That's why I wanted a 22 Mare's Leg, because I was going through a LOT of 38 Special. :)



Come to think of it though, a lady friend has a full size lever action 38/.357 (I don't remember the brand).
When shooting 38 she has to be more forceful when closing the lever with 38 than .357, but the gun doesn't jam.
She has shot the gun little. I suspect the action will smooth out with use.

Mainsail
February 16, 2013, 11:18 AM
Mainsail, that rig is beautiful...does it go on the side of the thigh? And where can I get a quality thigh rig for this thing?

I got it at Cochise Leather (http://www.cochiseleather.com/leather-rifle-scabbards.aspx), and it has a belt loop at the top. I got to hold the gun to the back of the passenger seat in my jeep or truck. We cannot carry a loaded long gun in a vehicle here, but handguns are OK with a CPL. I can also wear it as a belt holster at open carry events and maybe demonstrations down at the capitol.

BCRider
February 16, 2013, 03:31 PM
The Rossi action only has issues with the .38Spls if the shooter tries to speed cycle the lever such as during faster cowboy action shooting.

To avoid the issue all that is needed is for the shooter to pause for the slightest noticable instant with the lever in the down and forward position to let the new round settle back on the elevator before completing the lever cycle to chamber the round. We're talking about an 1/8 to 1/10 of a second being enough with my own Rossi action .357.

It's not a bad option anyway as even this slight pause will tend to make folks focus on giving the lever the full travel and avoid short stroking.

M2 Carbine
February 16, 2013, 09:47 PM
We're talking about an 1/8 to 1/10 of a second being enough with my own Rossi action .357.
OK, I see why my Rossi functions so well with 38 Special.

At 75 years of age I don't have to worry I'm shooting too fast.:D

BCRider
February 17, 2013, 01:50 AM
M2, don't look back to quickly. I'm not far behind you.... :D

BSA1
February 17, 2013, 12:20 PM
I guess it just boils down to expectations.

Problems with 92's chambered for 357 mag. feeding 38 Spl. are well known. While I think most will agree the Ranch Hand is meant for use as a fun and use on the range I personally would not make allowances for a design that require me to manipulate the action slowly and in a certain manner for it to feed correctly.

Fortunately this problem can be corrected by a knowledge gunsmith or sometimes by seating the bullet longer in 38's. Since the Ranch Hand is being sold as handgun maybe they have corrected this.

scaatylobo
February 17, 2013, 12:49 PM
When I got mine I had a choice as they had them all in stock.

I was into SASS and still have a 'few' rounds of .45 LC around and a Marlin and Colt in that caliber,so that was the caliber I got.

Pleasant to shoot and I doubt there is anything in the N.American continent that will stand up to even a single hit by it.

I got THE holster that J.R. carried [ a copy of course ] and yes the gun is heavy but the 38/357 is actually heavier as there is more steel to the barrel and frame [ same size as the .45 LC ,but less steel removed in production ].

I have some Buffalo Bore and other real ammo for it and would not hesitate to take it deer hunting.But the standard 250 grainer lead will do the job - I am sure.

Hope you enjoy your's as much as I do mine.

Practical - who cares !!.

Sav .250
February 17, 2013, 01:00 PM
The 45 cal is a cannon. If that`s the flavor of the day, load up on shells and have at it.

scaatylobo
February 17, 2013, 04:20 PM
I disagree as I have at least a couple of hundred through mine and its easy to shoot one handed,just a bit heavy as I am not as young as when I used to shoot a 870 Rem. with pistol grip = one handed .

bill3424
February 17, 2013, 04:44 PM
.38/357 because I reload that particular round. It's a fun gun to shoot, that's for sure.

SDGlock23
February 18, 2013, 11:13 AM
.45 Colt for sure. The Puma '92 leverguns are pretty nice and can handle warm loads as well and come in a variety of different barrel lengths. I had one for a while and it was a good gun.

http://www.legacysports.com/products/puma_m92.html

You can accompany one with a Ruger Blackhawk convertible (.45 Colt and .45 ACP) model.

meanmrmustard
June 19, 2013, 06:47 PM
Actually, Randall's was a .44-40

I disagree. The rounds he was carry on his cartridge belt were 45 extra extra long. They were rare special made cartridges for only a few Old West bounty hunters knew about. <];-)
Those were 45/70s he carried, for Hollywood effect. Not the true cartridge the rifle chambered.

I'm slow to wit, I know.

Deaf Smith
June 19, 2013, 07:15 PM
Let the lady take what she wants!!!

She want's a .45, well let her get one!

If I had my own ranch way out in the boondocks I'd just use my .44

http://www.thehighroad.org/attachment.php?attachmentid=183377&d=1367117863

Ok I love posting it's picture but...

Again, let her have her wish and get her a real good .45 the way she likes.

Deaf

Z1D2
June 19, 2013, 07:49 PM
My choice.. 357

Officers'Wife
June 19, 2013, 07:56 PM
Oh piffle! 32-20 was good enough for my great grandfather and that's good enough for me!

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