A troubling Craigslist ad


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josiewales
February 14, 2013, 02:51 PM
http://harrisburg.craigslist.org/spo/3616898486.html
A fathers "troubled" son took one of his fathers guns and sold it to some guy, without his fathers permission.
Isn't that kinda like the fore play to Newtown? :(
Someone needs a gun safe.

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Fryerpower
February 14, 2013, 02:54 PM
Please put more info in your post when you put in a link.

The link goes to an ad for a father that is trying to find a gun that his son supposedly sold on craigslist. The father wants it back and is willing to refund the money.

I could be that the father really wants to know if his son is full of it and has the gun hidden somewhere...

Jim

Ranger Roberts
February 14, 2013, 02:56 PM
It kinda sounds like someone is feeding a drug habit if you ask me. I agree that he really needs a gun safe though.

Grassman
February 14, 2013, 02:57 PM
Please put more info in your post when you put in a link.

The link goes to an ad for a father that is trying to find a gun that his son supposedly sold on craigslist. The father wants it back and is willing to refund the money.

I would be that the father really wants to know if his son is full of it and has the gun hidden somewhere...

Jim
Yeah dude, that's the post.

Fryerpower
February 14, 2013, 02:58 PM
Yeah dude, that's the post.
I realize that, but the original post had so little information that it was a candidate for being closed as a drive by post. I added the other info so that the thread could stay open and we could talk about it.

Jim

josiewales
February 14, 2013, 02:59 PM
My apologies Fryerpower it has been corrected.

What I find troubling is that a mentally disturbed kid stole his fathers gun and sold it without permission. If a person is mentally ill they should have NO access to ANY kind of firearm.

radiotom
February 14, 2013, 03:05 PM
It kinda sounds like someone is feeding a drug habit if you ask me. I agree that he really needs a gun safe though.
This times two.

Fryerpower
February 14, 2013, 03:07 PM
My apologies Fryerpower it has been corrected.

What I find troubling is that a mentally disturbed kid stole his fathers gun and sold it without permission. If a person is mentally ill they should have NO access to ANY kind of firearm.
No problem! I just did not want it to get closed.

Scarry stuff. Did he steal it and sell it? Did he steal it and keep it for who knows what reason? Does the father really want it back or does he just want to know for sure that his son does not have it stashed somewhere, or both?

If he still has it and is a trouble youth the father has every right to be worried and fits with your comment about 'isn't this how Newtown can start'.

Jim

JRH6856
February 14, 2013, 05:11 PM
What "mentally ill"? The ad says "troubled" which could mean anything. You say the ad is "troubling". Does this mean that anyone who reads it will be troubled?

josiewales
February 14, 2013, 05:34 PM
Normally, a "troubled teen" is someone who is mentally disturbed (also known as going crazy). And yes you should be troubled(not in the crazy way). This very similar to what happened to Adam Lanza before the Sandy Hook shooting.

JRH6856
February 14, 2013, 06:56 PM
Words can mean different things to different people, especially in different parts of the country. I've seen and heard people use words so many different ways that I tend to seek more details before drawing any conclusions. There is little consensus on the meaning of "mentally ill", much less "troubled".

I wasn't aware that Lanza sold any guns. Where was that reported?

sawdeanz
February 14, 2013, 10:12 PM
Troubled could not necessarily refer to mental illness, could be he is like others said feeding a drug habit

medalguy
February 14, 2013, 11:08 PM
Words can mean different things to different people, especially in different parts of the country. I've seen and heard people use words so many different ways that I tend to seek more details before drawing any conclusions. There is little consensus on the meaning of "mentally ill", much less "troubled".

And this, my friends, is the problem with the current round of proposals to deny firearms to those who may be "mentally distrubed." What exactly does that mean, and who is going to make that determination?

gym
February 14, 2013, 11:14 PM
Who knows on Craigs list what is legit or not. If it were someone I knew I would advise them to get in touch with local athorities, prior to someone possiblly getting hurt or worse with said gun.
The police will give him the respect he deserves if it was indeed a mistake and the boy is mentally defficient. He will get a slap on the wrist for not having them locked up better than he did, but god forbid someone is killed with that gun, he will be charged as an accessory.

Black Butte
February 15, 2013, 12:42 AM
Shame on dad for making firearms accessible to his disturbed son. The price could have been far worse than a lost gun.

Lost Sheep
February 15, 2013, 12:47 AM
Words can mean different things to different people, especially in different parts of the country. I've seen and heard people use words so many different ways that I tend to seek more details before drawing any conclusions. There is little consensus on the meaning of "mentally ill", much less "troubled".

I wasn't aware that Lanza sold any guns. Where was that reported?
Not reported than Lanza sold any gun(s). It was reported that he took them without permission of the owner, his mother. And that is similarity enough.

Lost Sheep

mrvco
February 15, 2013, 12:55 AM
I cringe at the thought of the spanking that I would have received if I'd done something like that when I was a kid.

Grassman
February 15, 2013, 04:06 AM
I cringe at the thought of the spanking that I would have received if I'd done something like that when I was a kid.
You know that's right. Kept me out of more than a few bad decisions growing up. Ya think more kids just need a good old fashion butt whoopin? I do, beats Prozac or Ridelin any day.

olderguns
February 15, 2013, 05:21 AM
I have to agree with the posters who say "troubled teen" is Not always in fact only seldom refers to mentally ill, in my experience it almost always point to a drug problem, and more often then not stealing. And on occasion alcohol/underage smoking.

El Mariachi
February 15, 2013, 09:45 AM
Every teen I've met in the past 45 years have been 'troubled', in one way or another. Thankfully, most were 'troubled' by what they wanted to be when they grew up, what college prep courses to take, finding their first real job while still in school, what to make Mom for Mother's Day dinner, how to properly wash & wax Dad's old Camaro, how to reach Eagle Scout, where to find condoms, getting to the library to study with classmates for finals, how to stay away from drugs and still maintain a school social life, who to ask out for the prom, trying to juggle baseball or soccer or tennis during the school year.......ad nauseum.

So yes, not all 'troubled' teens are ticking time bombs.....:D

GAMALOT
February 15, 2013, 10:28 AM
Any son who is brazen enough to swipe and sell his dads belongings is certainly "Troubled".
The fact that he stole a gun and sold it to an unknown CL buyer is reason enough for me to assign some degree of mental illness to the little creep. Say what ever you like but the fact remains this kid cannot be trusted in his own home. If he were my son he would be talking with the police and I honestly would not care where or how that ended up. If he will take my guns then I would assume he would steal my credit cards, jewelery or even my car or truck and he is dangerous to himself and all who are around him.

My own father would have busted my jaw back in a time when discipline was acceptable and idiot kids got taught by the back of a hand or a belt.

fatcat4620
February 15, 2013, 11:15 AM
He should just just report the gun stolen and let them know he thinks his son may have stolen it.

josiewales
February 15, 2013, 11:16 AM
You don't know what you're talking about.

I should have said, a teen who is referred too as troubled is normally mentally ill or disturbed.

josiewales
February 15, 2013, 11:17 AM
Any son who is brazen enough to swipe and sell his dads belongings is certainly "Troubled".
The fact that he stole a gun and sold it to an unknown CL buyer is reason enough for me to assign some degree of mental illness to the little creep. Say what ever you like but the fact remains this kid cannot be trusted in his own home. If he were my son he would be talking with the police and I honestly would not care where or how that ended up. If he will take my guns then I would assume he would steal my credit cards, jewelery or even my car or truck and he is dangerous to himself and all who are around him.


Exactly.

InkEd
February 15, 2013, 11:19 AM
"Troubled" means the kid probably a bit of a juvenile delinquent of some sort. It could. E truancy, drugs, (obviously) theft, vandalism, etc.

hso
February 15, 2013, 11:24 AM
Craigslist doesn't allow firearms to be sold using their system so I'm wondering how this could take place.

LubeckTech
February 15, 2013, 11:26 AM
The Father should post another ad stating if the rifle is not returned within a specific time frame like 10 working days it will be reported as stolen.

josiewales
February 15, 2013, 11:29 AM
hso, it may not be allowed but it happens all the time.time.http://winchester.craigslist.org/wan/3575877862.html
http://winchester.craigslist.org/bar/3603355687.html
http://winchester.craigslist.org/wan/3589354172.html

josiewales
February 15, 2013, 11:30 AM
The Father should post another ad stating if the rifle is not returned within a specific time frame like 10 working days it will be reported as stolen.

Not a bad idea.

JRH6856
February 15, 2013, 02:53 PM
What I'm seeing here is the idea that to some people, "normal" means "behavior I find acceptable." and "mentally ill" means "behavior I find unacceptable." Think about that for a while. If you find those to be acceptable definitions, then you must find it acceptable for others to use the same definitive criteria. In which case, it is OK with you if the antis believe that owning guns is unacceptable behavior so anyone who owns guns is mentally ill. And of course, mentally ill people should not own guns.

Referring to someone who thinks or acts in a manner you find unacceptable as mentally ill is about as accurate as referring to a semi-auto rifle as an assault weapon and hollow point bullets as assault bullets. Using such terms loosely is dangerous.

The statement was made that anyone suffering from mental illness should not have access to a gun. Unfortunately, the failure to define mental illness leaves it to others to determine the conditions that would lead to loss of 2A rights. Such as:

Concussions are now known to result in a variety of physical, cognitive, and emotional symptoms, which may not be recognized if subtle, but they could easily fall under the broad term of mental illness. So anyone who has had a concussion could easilyt lose their 2A rights due to mental illness. That includes just about anyone who has played a contact sport at any level (I think the lawsuits the NFL is facing regarding concussions may have a lot to say about this), anyone who has been in an moderate to severe auto accicent, anyone who has "bumped their head" for any reason. That probably covers most of the population and makes the gun grabbers job a lot easier.

josiewales
February 15, 2013, 02:59 PM
I know what you mean. I personally have had 5 concussions of varying degrees.

GAMALOT
February 15, 2013, 03:08 PM
Based on what you said, and I don't necessarily disagree with it, What would you do if it was your son who stole your favorite gun and sold it to some questionable individual off Craig's List? Would you think maybe your son was a bit "Troubled" or want to send him for some psychological evaluation?

This is just my observation here but that kid could be evaluated by 5 completely different Psychiatrists and they would all have a different diagnosis of his mental state.

Funny that you mention "Concussion" because that is what he would have if he did it to me in my home!

sherman123
February 15, 2013, 03:19 PM
You know that's right. Kept me out of more than a few bad decisions growing up. Ya think more kids just need a good old fashion butt whoopin? I do, beats Prozac or Ridelin any day.
Very true and it won't cause permanent health problems like Prozac or other SSRIs either.

roadchoad
February 15, 2013, 03:59 PM
If it was my son, I'd demand to see his internet history and go from there. Shouldn't be too hard to find an old ad. I'd also look in the son's cell phone if he had one, for the phone number history.

I'd report it stolen regardless. The son stole it. Kid needs to learn there are consequences.

captain awesome
February 15, 2013, 06:02 PM
seems like he would have a pretty good chance in getting it back if he;
1) Reported it stolen but offer amnesty if he gets it back,
2) checked the kids phone records and email records/internet history. what he said^^^:)
3) tell the boy if he doesn't get it back in x amount of days, he will be facing charges.
Parents are too soft on their kids these days. You could bet that if my kid did something like that, she would catch hell, and at the very least "make it right". But then, I firmly believe that kids like this exist because of the way the parents do their so called "parenting" in the first place.

OHTCOTUS
February 15, 2013, 06:25 PM
Exactly.
I feel the same way. It makes me wonder what goes through the minds of children these days. The thought of ever stealing one of my dads guns would have never entered my mind knowing what the consequences would have been. Children need to think about the end result and how it will effect others and themselves before the act "rash". I hope this has a "good" turn out.

josiewales
February 15, 2013, 07:03 PM
I feel the same way. It makes me wonder what goes through the minds of children these days. The thought of ever stealing one of my dads guns would have never entered my mind knowing what the consequences would have been. Children need to think about the end result and how it will effect others and themselves before the act "rash". I hope this has a "good" turn out.

I stole something of my Dad's one time, and never again. After he blistered my tail, he told what I did wrong and why. This generation( which I am part of, a teen actually)has not been taught that there are consequences, other than "STOP YELLING OR I'LL COUNT TO 5!". Yea, thats real scary. To them( your normal teen) there is no cause and effect.
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