blue dot in 45 and 9mm


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Robbins290
February 14, 2013, 09:12 PM
i tried to get some 231 today. all they had was blue dot. last container. so i grabbed it. in my reloading book. nothing shows for 115 grain (9mm) or 23o grain (45).

any help?

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Robbins290
February 14, 2013, 09:18 PM
im realy starting to hate my speer book

LUCKYDAWG13
February 14, 2013, 09:18 PM
in my lyman 49th
9mm 115gr 6.8 / 7.7
45acp 230 gr 8.3 / 9.2
hope this helps you

climbnjump
February 14, 2013, 09:21 PM
Check out the Alliant web site for Blue Dot below. There is a link at the bottom of that page for Blue Dot recipes - you will find 9mm data there.

http://www.alliantpowder.com/products/powder/blue_dot.aspx

ljnowell
February 14, 2013, 09:26 PM
Alliant 2000 data has 9.8gr w/ 230gr JHP for 915fps; 8.5gr w/ 230gr FMC for 900fps

The same manual also has 8.0gr w/ 115gr FMJ for 1190fps.

These are max loads. Starting loads would be a 10% reduction.

Robbins290
February 14, 2013, 09:40 PM
is there alot of differnces between .451 - 452 on the 45 or .355 or .356 in 9mm?

SlowFuse
February 14, 2013, 09:46 PM
I have used blue dot in 9mm and if available you will do better with a heavier projectile. 124 grain XTPs/FMJs do well for me with blue dot. I'm not going to throw out charges because I do not have my load records or other data sources near.

In a subcompact it's flashy.

Robbins290
February 14, 2013, 09:56 PM
i ordered some 200 grain bullets.

here is the link
http://www.cabelas.com/catalog/product.jsp?productId=705589&categoryId=0&parentCategoryId=0&subCategoryId=0&indexId=0&productVariantId=3171493&quantity=1&itemGUID=db8f8047ac1084543bb87f273aeb5d73&WTz_l=Header%3BSearch-All+Products&destination=%2Fcheckout%2Fitem_added_to_cart.jsp%3Fresult%3Dsuccess%26categoryIds%3D104792580%7C104761080%7C104275080%7C%26productId%3D705589%26backToPreviousUrl%3D%252Fcatalog%252Fproduct.jsp%253FproductId%253D705589%26WTz_l%3DChart

hopefully they will work

Steve C
February 14, 2013, 09:56 PM
The 9mm develops enough pressure to burn Blue Dot well though the small case capacity is limiting. BD works ok for 115 and works better as the bullet weight goes up.

I've tried BD in my .45 and it produced sooty and carbon scoured cases. The .45 ACP just doesn't produce enough pressure for it to burn well. It sends the bullet down range but makes cleaning the cases a pain.

Works great in high pressure magnums.

joneb
February 14, 2013, 10:01 PM
The .45 ACP just doesn't produce enough pressure for it to burn well. It sends the bullet down range but makes cleaning the cases a pain.
I agree I tried BD with 230gr jacketed buy the time you get it to burn clean you are overpressure.

Robbins290
February 14, 2013, 10:30 PM
hopefully the 200 grain will be a little cleaner

bluetopper
February 14, 2013, 11:10 PM
I personally wouldn't think of using Blue Dot for 9mm or 45acp.......but that's just me?

joneb
February 15, 2013, 12:38 AM
hopefully the 200 grain will be a little cleaner
I think it works the other way round, lighter bullets faster powder heavier bullets slower powder, thats my experience. The heavier bullet provides more resistance to give the slower powder a more efficient burn.

9w1911
February 15, 2013, 01:52 AM
Im shocked they can squeeze 9.2gns of BD in a .45 case

Robbins290
February 15, 2013, 05:36 AM
Haven't tried it yet. I'm used to 231 with 230 grains. Never reloaded 9mm. With the market how it is. I gotta make do I guess. All I could find was blue dot. For bullets. Just 9mm and 45.

Robbins290
February 15, 2013, 05:38 AM
I forgot to add, the 9mm's are 147 grain

243winxb
February 15, 2013, 10:18 AM
CAUTION: The following post includes loading data beyond currently published maximums for this cartridge. USE AT YOUR OWN RISK. Neither the writer, The High Road, nor the staff of THR assume any liability for any damage or injury resulting from use of this information. In the 45 acp-Blue Dot- 11.0 gr-200gr LSWC (my hard cast bullet*) -WLP maximum hot load. Ok in S&W 645. Loading data not found else where. Start low, work up. http://www.stevespages.com/page8a.htm

243winxb
February 15, 2013, 10:24 AM
Blue Dot From 4.2 grains to 6.6 grains
the 9mm's are 147 grain Data from Steve's pages, link above.

Birdhunter1
February 15, 2013, 10:59 AM
I run Blue Dot in my 9 mm Springfield XD with a 124 grain Hornady XTP and so far am rather pleased with its accuracy.

SlamFire1
February 15, 2013, 11:09 AM
I am going to say I dont recommend Blue Dot in the 45 ACP, or any pistol cartridge. I bought a keg and tested the stuff and it only really works in magnum applications with jacketed bullets. Using it with magnum loads with lead bullets gave horrible leading. Tried it in 9mm too.

The problem I have with Blue Dot in lower pressure cartridges are the horrible extreme spreads you get showing that it is inappropriate for the application.

I also found that Blue Dot gave a hard recoil. This is not good as a high residual breech pressure at unlock pushes the slide back hard. I had a M1911 peen out (and not with Blue Dot) and since then I have been leery of slow burning powders in these actions.

However, the data below may be a start. Compare against the SDs and ESs of Bullseye, which is the powder used in the 45ACP all the way back to the original 1910 test cartridges.

Kimber Custom Classic

230 gr LRN Valiant 4.5 grs Bullseye Mixed Brass WLP
OAL 1.250" taper crimp .469"
21-Jun-06 T = 97 F

about 2" high accurate, stout recoil

Ave Vel = 805.2
Std Dev = 11.4
ES 54.08
High 836.9
Low 782.8
N = 32


230 gr LRN Valiant 7.7 grs Blue Dot Mixed Brass WLP
OAL 1.250" taper crimp .469"
21-Jun-06 T = 97 F

about 2" high, accurate, not as accurate as Bullseye . Long ejection distance, stouter recoil


Ave Vel = 801
Std Dev = 29.12
ES 118
High 861.1
Low 749
N = 32

temmi
February 15, 2013, 02:26 PM
I use it for the 45 Colt and the 45ACP

Nice loads

Snake

Certaindeaf
February 15, 2013, 02:34 PM
I don't know about .45 but in/for the 9, it is a slow process and if you're using a progressive, not really advisable at all. You gotta pretty much mound it up and it'll get flung off/out with the rotation of your loader.

8emem
February 15, 2013, 02:51 PM
I have tried a lot of different handgun calibers and loads using Blue Dot, and found it is the best choice in 2 loads only. First, 10.0gr under a 180jhp in 10mm. Full power, with lots of flash, fun to shoot, no pressure signs in my 1006. Second, 15.0gr under a 240jhp in .44 magnum. Economical way to get full-power loadings without using 8-10 additional grains of even slower-burning powder. My 77/44 rifle is real good with this one, and not much else. My Redhawk shoots it pretty well also. Caution - this load is above maximum in many loading manuals.

For just about everything else I would choose other powders.

Certaindeaf
February 15, 2013, 03:26 PM
When it comes to the dots, in those calibers, you're better off using the green or the red, pretty much.

rg1
February 15, 2013, 06:34 PM
Don't like Blue Dot for pistol loads especially 45ACP and it's a poor performer in 9MM. With the cost of primers and bullets I wouldn't waste them trying to get a good load with Blue Dot in 9MM or 45ACP. Too much unburnt powder will end up on the shooting bench.

gamestalker
February 15, 2013, 08:10 PM
I used to use quite a bit of Blue Dot some years back for .357 mag and 9mm and it really wasn't bad at all once I got the load dialed in. And a few years ago I ran some in .40 cal. cause I didn't have any HS6 or Longshot on hand, and I actually thought it did very well.

GS

Robbins290
February 17, 2013, 01:29 PM
Besides 231, what would you guys recommend for 45 and 9mm for powder?

bds
February 17, 2013, 01:37 PM
Slower burning powders for full-power loads (accuracy at high-to-max charges):
Universal, WSF, AutoComp.


Faster burning powders for lighter target loads (accuracy even at mid-to-high range charges):
Bullseye, Promo/Red Dot, WST (for 45ACP), Titegroup (for 9mm), HP-38 (same powder as W231)

ljnowell
February 17, 2013, 06:58 PM
Besides 231, what would you guys recommend for 45 and 9mm for powder?

My favorite general load powder(target loads, range stuff) is AA#2. Its a low chargeweight powder, true, but its also a very fine ball powder. It runs so well through a powder measure that its not even funny. I mean, its on the money, every drop, every time, through my cheapo lee powder measure. I truly love the stuff.

IF you wanted a little more velocity, at the cost of a little more powder you could use AA5. Its also the same kind of ball powder, meters just as well, but in calibers like 9mm and 40 it will get you a little more performance than AA2 will.

Powder pistol is another choice. I load with jacketed only in 45acp, near max or at max, and it performs very well. Anything else and I would rather use a different powder. In 9mm I have found that lead or jacketed Power Pistol is pretty darned good.

LUCKYDAWG13
February 17, 2013, 07:14 PM
to load for both 9mm and 45acp i like Bullseye if you can find it

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