Is this safe to shoot?


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Chevelle SS
February 16, 2013, 02:58 PM
I bought an old Palmetto Arms Co. Single shot 12 ga today for 75 dollars. It has a patent date of August 12, 1913. The gun locks up tight with no wiggle and the barrel is near pristine. I dont believe it has a damascus twist steel barrel.
Just wondering if it would be safe to shoot with modern 2 3/4 shells? Thanks

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returningfire
February 16, 2013, 04:37 PM
As long as you are sure it is not Damascus, and use a very light target round, it is probably OK.
First check for bulges or dings or splits or cracks in the barrel than check the receiver and face for anything that looks like damage. If it looks OK I would try it. But that has to be your decision,I'm not trying to make your mind up for you, I'm just saying what I would do.

Chevelle SS
February 16, 2013, 04:59 PM
Could my local gun smith tell me if it is safe to shoot?

jeepnik
February 16, 2013, 05:32 PM
Having a smith look it over is a very good idea. First, he should be able to tell if the barrel is damascus or not. Beyond that, he likely has a very good bore scope and can throughly check out the interior of the barrel.

Chevelle SS
February 16, 2013, 05:42 PM
I looked online and it seems that Damascus barrels have lines and that they sort of look like wire. The barrel doesn't look like that. Here is a picture of the barrel and the gun. The inside of the barrel is near perfect.

El Mariachi
February 16, 2013, 05:46 PM
Tip #1----on your first shot, shoot from the hip. Whilst wearing a pair of h/duty gloves....

Chevelle SS
February 16, 2013, 05:54 PM
Never mind. I just dry fired it and the firing pin shot out the barrel leaving a nice dent in the wall and now I can't find it. :banghead: :cuss:

Chevelle SS
February 16, 2013, 06:30 PM
Found the broken pin

beatledog7
February 16, 2013, 07:27 PM
Problem solved then.

wtxj
February 16, 2013, 07:38 PM
Now you get to take it to the gunsmith for sure

rcmodel
February 16, 2013, 07:45 PM
Here is a tip for ya.

Do Not dry fire 100 year old guns.
You will break the firing pin.

rc

radar1972
February 16, 2013, 07:54 PM
Here is a tip for ya.

Do Not dry fire 100 year old guns.
You will break the firing pin.

rc


:D:D:D:D

ApacheCoTodd
February 16, 2013, 08:21 PM
Here is a tip for ya.

Do Not dry fire 100 year old guns.
You will break the firing pin.

rc
RC, I'd like to see evidence of that ever having happened.:evil:

Sorry Chevy but this thread is just too funny.

By the way - that's not a damascus barrel in the photo.

I'd make a pin, check the bore for dents (looks like a "behind the door" gun) and blast away... after the tips above for first try safety.

oneounceload
February 16, 2013, 08:43 PM
Happens all the time with older guns, even the "Best" grades. You NEVER dry fire one of those without snap caps

Chevelle SS
February 16, 2013, 11:23 PM
Well I decided to take the gun apart:

ApacheCoTodd
February 16, 2013, 11:42 PM
That looks just like a patent twin to a pile-o-jc higgins sitting on my bench in a 20 gauge.

Chawbaccer
February 17, 2013, 06:00 AM
Thats a Stevens 85 or 89. Numerich has parts.

Carl N. Brown
February 17, 2013, 06:22 AM
on your first shot, shoot from the hip. Whilst wearing a pair of h/duty gloves....

My way of testing an old shotgun has been load a round matching the marking on the barrel, wrap a towel around the butt, wedge in a tire, lash the barrel down with rope, point it at a stump, fire it with a long string, then inspect for damage.

Sav .250
February 17, 2013, 08:22 AM
Was wondering why you bought it in the first place. Especially, if you "think" it may be un-safe to shoot. You spent $75 on something that may turn out to be a "junker" or something that can be repaired, at an additional cost. Plus,it`s a single shot. Hope it works out for you.

Chevelle SS
February 17, 2013, 08:36 AM
if you "think" it may be un-safe to shoot

When I bought it I thought it would be safe to shoot because it has a patent date of 1913 so it must be made in 1913 or later and I assume they were using smokeless powder by then in shotguns.. Then I read a something on the internet about them blowing up with modern shells so I inherently got a little suspicious.

Plus,it`s a single shot.

This is bad??? :confused:

USAF_Vet
February 17, 2013, 01:06 PM
Looks a lot like my single shot 20 gauge. Mine is from that era, maybe a decade or so later, I can't really pinpoint it.

I spent $80 on it, and its my primary yard critter blaster. The wife uses it for deer, too.

Only difference is mine isn't a pile of parts :D

kbbailey
February 17, 2013, 01:35 PM
My way of testing an old shotgun has been load a round matching the marking on the barrel, wrap a towel around the butt, wedge in a tire, lash the barrel down with rope, point it at a stump, fire it with a long string, then inspect for damage.
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^^Yea, long string, tarp straps, and heavier load than you would normally shoot. repeat until confident.

Isaac-1
February 17, 2013, 02:17 PM
Be aware many 20 GA shotguns from that vintage were chambered for 2 1/2 inch shells not modern 2 3/4 inch. Often a 2 3/4 inch will fit, but there is not enough room for the shell to open up fully causing over pressure and perhaps exploding.

Chevelle SS
February 17, 2013, 02:56 PM
Oh it is a 12ga.

303tom
February 18, 2013, 11:08 AM
There is nothing wrong with that old shotgun, Palmetto was a trade name used by the Tryon Hardware Catalog co. in Phil. around the turn of the century. They were made by Stevens, Crescent and Hopkins & Allen. Spend 10 bucks get a new firing pin & use it.............One thing I want to know, how did a 1/4 inch pin go through a 1/16 inch hole? Or did it just break the tip off it ?

Chevelle SS
February 18, 2013, 11:15 AM
Just the tip broke off.

Macchina
February 18, 2013, 02:06 PM
Tip #1----on your first shot, shoot from the hip. Whilst wearing a pair of h/duty gloves....
There are more important things than eyes...

Chevelle SS
March 28, 2013, 11:30 AM
I found a firing pin on eBay for an Iver Johnson that looks just like the firing pin I broke. Would it be wise to buy it?

oneounceload
March 28, 2013, 11:55 AM
From that date, you also want to verify the chamber length - it might be a 2-1/2"chamber. IF it does, firing a 2-3/4"shell could have undesirable results

303tom
March 28, 2013, 11:56 AM
I found a firing pin on eBay for an Iver Johnson that looks just like the firing pin I broke. Would it be wise to buy it?
Cross-over says it should be a Stevens 85................

http://www.hoosiergunworks.com/catalog/cross_reference.html

Chevelle SS
March 28, 2013, 12:06 PM
How does one check chamber length?

oneounceload
March 28, 2013, 02:56 PM
With a chamber gauge - a gunsmith can tell you in about 3 seconds.

Remember, hull length is the FIRED length, so an unfired 2-3/4" will fit into a 2-1/2"chamber, but firing it could result in severe issues from increased pressures

Chevelle SS
March 28, 2013, 05:15 PM
I found a firing pin on Numrich for a Stevens 85 which looks exactly like mine. I'll probably take it to the gunsmith Saturday and hopefully have a good, clean bill of health! :D

bobinoregon
March 28, 2013, 08:47 PM
There's nothing wrong with a good cheap single shot shotgun. I have at least half a dozen in various gauges and doubt that I paid over $75 for any of them. Check the chamber, shoot it, enjoy it.

Chevelle SS
April 1, 2013, 08:40 PM
Stevens 85 firing pin does not work :cuss: :fire: :banghead: :mad:

Thatmichhunter
April 2, 2013, 12:42 AM
I picked up a no-name single shot 12 at a sale this fall for 60, right after somebody payed 170 for a single shot 20 of no-name. Couldn't believe my eyes.

Chevelle SS
April 6, 2013, 04:36 PM
Found out from my gunsmith that it has a 2 1/2" chamber, but it is safe to shoot.

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